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[AkiKishi]

gigiduru wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

gigiduru wrote...

Imo i think that games whould look like this :
SE : All of the story + all the characters + all of the items that are in the game at the launch date ;
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

Thanks for admitting it's an opinion. You're actually being logical, most people here [about 200+ pages ago, when it was really heated] are trying to say they just simply deserve it because it's done by release and therefore yadda yadda. Thank you.

I am still buying the game , and will also buy the DLC but BW still dissapoints me . I want to finish this awesome game and will not boicott it and will pay the $ bc some ppl worked for it and they deserve recognition but for future BW/EA games i am thinking of not buying at all . 

That's pretty common.

[RDSFirebane]

gigiduru wrote...\\
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

[CommanderCoffee]

gigiduru wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

gigiduru wrote...

Imo i think that games whould look like this :
SE : All of the story + all the characters + all of the items that are in the game at the launch date ;
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

Thanks for admitting it's an opinion. You're actually being logical, most people here [about 200+ pages ago, when it was really heated] are trying to say they just simply deserve it because it's done by release and therefore yadda yadda. Thank you.

I am still buying the game , and will also buy the DLC but BW still dissapoints me . I want to finish this awesome game and will not boicott it and will pay the $ bc some ppl worked for it and they deserve recognition but for future BW/EA games i am thinking of not buying at all . 

Not even the port of the Japanese port of Mass Effect, entitled, "Commander Shepard's Supah Kawaii Desu Fun Galaxy Saving Time!!!" with added giant mecha battles and real punch-your-enemies action?

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...


Was it reasonable to expect a complete game ? Is it no longer reasonable to expect a complete game ? 

If the latter is the case, then it's down to legislation to inform the consumer of this. While this has been huge for the internet very few people off the net are aware of it.

It's even worse for people without online access, they can't even make use of passes. I finished KOA last night, no complaints massive game (by EA) but anyone without an online pass would be missing a HUGE ammount of content.

Bob, we've been over this.  It is the complete game that you get on disc, in both the SE and CE.  What you don't get in the SE is free access to additonal content to enhance that game experience you get in the retail.  I know that it could lead to a slippery slope where vital content is removed and sold separately, and that you like to try and get a jump on that before it's the case, but I do think we're in the green and believe that if it even glances in that direction, EA will be recouping more than just legal costs with Activision.

But I agree that there should be better communication, if anything but to avoid these types of situations and keep customers informed.

I also agree that the general assumption that everyone is locked-into the internet like it's life-support is a rather unhealthy trend.  As you mentioned, those with internet access not only can't access the on disc co-op that they payed for, but also all of this extra material.  The rule of focus should be inclusion,  not exclusion, and that has to go across your entire consumer-base, not just the privlidged ones.

 I'm awaiting the day that a very customer-internet relation reliant company's (such as EA with Origin or Valve with Steam [to be fair]) servers undergo some catastrophic event where all that registration information/profile information/cloud jazz is all lost.  Now thousands to millions of dollars of investment and product is lost, and you're now facing not only consumers having lost everything, but the company being buried in lost property, breach in license agreement litigation.  That should be the consequence at least.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 27 février 2012 - 09:33 .

[gigiduru]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Not even the port of the Japanese port of Mass Effect, entitled, "Commander Shepard's Supah Kawaii Desu Fun Galaxy Saving Time!!!" with added giant mecha battles and real punch-your-enemies action?

Sure . To be honest , i am curious about the C&C: Generals 2 . The sneak peak looked awesome ( they rly know how to make us exited ) but if they do the same BS with smth like ( CE will have 1 bonus tank with 1 bonus upgrade and for the rest of the SE you will have to pay 10$ ) that will be the end of the line for me . I can live without , or buy it for 1/4 of the price in a year and thats life . 

[ArkkAngel007]

gigiduru wrote...

Sure . To be honest , i am curious about the C&C: Generals 2 . The sneak peak looked awesome ( they rly know how to make us exited ) but if they do the same BS with smth like ( CE will have 1 bonus tank with 1 bonus upgrade and for the rest of the SE you will have to pay 10$ ) that will be the end of the line for me . I can live without , or buy it for 1/4 of the price in a year and thats life . 

I still don't count C&C as a BioWare franchise/developer title.  It's the same developing house/team and resources, just stamped with the BioWare watermark to bring in sales after their last game.

But if it turns out to be good?  Then color me happy and I'll go back to C&C.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 27 février 2012 - 09:27 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aulis Vaara wrote...

-sniping all the hyperbole element-

We helped make this game big. We, the fans, have ensured that there are over a million pre-orders in this latest installment in this series, and we are rewarded with a slap in the face.

"You're a longtime fan? Well, then shell out ten bucks more!" THAT's what they're saying, and I find it somewhat disturbing that so many people seem to be okay with this.

By 'we' the fans who made them a success, I hope your also including those of us who feel 'they' are entitled to make money from extra content and are also fans who actually like aforementioned content. They did not become a success on 'only those' who dislike DLC and the selling of additional content which you implied. 

Entitlement! 

Jesus, you sound like TIM. "I created you! I brought you back from the dead, you OWE ME!"

Just play video games, is it really that difficult? 

jumped to the wrong conclusion.

And landed on proper footing. 

[Thoth_Amon]

Quick question for the PC version. Will this be the same process as Mass Effect 2? Using Bioware points and Bioware's own store? Or, will I have to go through Origin to purchase DLC.

Please, oh please let it be the usual way.

[kingsims]

Through origin judging by Amular. With regional DLC pricing probably. This funny dilbert gif describes the situation.

Modifié par kingsims, 27 février 2012 - 09:55 .

[SouzaNZ]

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

Collectors editions should only include in game cosmetic items and out of game physical items. The cosmetic items don't take up much development resources and are a nice touch for the fans that want to pay more but most importantly they do not give any additional content. Physical items are fine for largely the same reasons.

[stargatefan1990]

gigiduru wrote...

http://www.destructo...lc-222045.phtml
Just read this and its so funny . Keep defending BW for not milking you )

look at it proprely the majority of the dlc isn't what's being sold, it is on top of physical peripherals if your the type of person to buy a keyboard/mouse etc just for dlc then yeah jokes on you i agree with that

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 27 février 2012 - 10:00 .

[stargatefan1990]

Double post

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 27 février 2012 - 09:59 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

SouzaNZ wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

Collectors editions should only include in game cosmetic items and out of game physical items. The cosmetic items don't take up much development resources and are a nice touch for the fans that want to pay more but most importantly they do not give any additional content. Physical items are fine for largely the same reasons.

That type of talk will get you in trouble with the other CE folks.But your alright in my book.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Heading offline , the new page making is at a stand still now.

[OdanUrr]

So, it's monday and we didn't get to 500. BSN, I'm disappointed in you.

[RDSFirebane]

OdanUrr wrote...

So, it's monday and we didn't get to 500. BSN, I'm disappointed in you.

lol well they tried but hey at this point most people dont post in here because of the argueing and lets face it most of the stuff has been talked about agreed apon and left behind.

[nightcobra]

kingsims wrote...

Through origin judging by Amular. With regional DLC pricing probably. This funny dilbert gif describes the situation.

i like to keep it for their own source material for these things...let's see, which line would be perfect for this....ah AH!


mass effect game developers: how did you manage to make them all hate you?

mass effect PR/marketing department: it wasn't eeasy, we reeeeally had to work at it.

[SouzaNZ]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

SouzaNZ wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

Collectors editions should only include in game cosmetic items and out of game physical items. The cosmetic items don't take up much development resources and are a nice touch for the fans that want to pay more but most importantly they do not give any additional content. Physical items are fine for largely the same reasons.

That type of talk will get you in trouble with the other CE folks.But your alright in my book.

Oh well I've pre-ordered the collector's edition for the record so I guess I'll be the first to call myself an ass. I am happy that I am getting access to the Prothean but am still extremely offended that the people who ordered the "full" edition are getting screwed over. BioWare has said that the Prothean is in the collector's edition to reward loyal fans and I would argue that someone's loyalty as a fan should not purely be defined by their financial choices.

Modifié par SouzaNZ, 27 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[stargatefan1990]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Through origin judging by Amular. With regional DLC pricing probably. This funny dilbert gif describes the situation.

i like to keep it for their own source material for these things...let's see, which line would be perfect for this....ah AH!


mass effect game developers: how did you manage to make them all hate you?

mass effect PR/marketing department: it wasn't eeasy, we reeeeally had to work at it.

I don't understand the hate really simple terms: In the earliest stages of me3 dev the prothian was scrapped as a squad mate and the mission from the main game since it wasn't needed for the story and in later stages they picked this particular story as CE insentive and so became day 1 payed dlc for non  CE. extra dev time/voice work mostdone AFTER THEY FINISHED THE MAIN GAME ALMOST OVER 2 MONTHS AGO,  you can easily wait for until the price comes down or not get it at all you won't feel like your missing anything in game certainly does not require 450+ pages of whining and defending(im laughing at myself because im part of the problem now aswell lol)

[NeecHMonkeY]

SouzaNZ wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

SouzaNZ wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

Collectors editions should only include in game cosmetic items and out of game physical items. The cosmetic items don't take up much development resources and are a nice touch for the fans that want to pay more but most importantly they do not give any additional content. Physical items are fine for largely the same reasons.

That type of talk will get you in trouble with the other CE folks.But your alright in my book.

Oh well I've pre-ordered the collector's edition for the record so I guess I'll be the first to call myself an ass. I am happy that I am getting access to the Prothean but am still extremely offended that the people who ordered the "full" edition are getting screwed over. BioWare has said that the Prothean is in the collector's edition to reward loyal fans and I would argue that someone's loyalty as a fan should not purely be defined by their financial choices.

It's really refreshing to see someone on here with their head screwed on the right way... and no less someone who actually has the CE pre-ordered and still understands the underlying problem that this Day One content represents.

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 27 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

And landed on proper footing. 

If thats how you 'wish' to see/view it, good for you. 

[gigiduru]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

I don't understand the hate really simple terms: In the earliest stages of me3 dev the prothian was scrapped as a squad mate and the mission from the main game since it wasn't needed for the story and in later stages they picked this particular story as CE insentive and so became day 1 payed dlc for non  CE. extra dev time/voice work mostdone AFTER THEY FINISHED THE MAIN GAME ALMOST OVER 2 MONTHS AGO,  you can easily wait for until the price comes down or not get it at all you won't feel like your missing anything in game certainly does not require 450+ pages of whining and defending(im laughing at myself because im part of the problem now aswell lol)

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it . I'm just a 24 year old gamer that used to buy games that were 100% completed .  Then came the Dlc's and that was ok , bc for a modest sum you could have bought some aditional content and you could have started another char and try a different aproach and also enjoy your dlc . But day 1 DLC is just wrong and its smth that ppl like me will never forget . 

What i feel sad about is that after the whole bug fest that is SW:The Old Republic and this BS with day 1 DLC , bioware has droped out of my 100% trusted companies . The only one remaining is Blizzard , but they are on the edge with the Panda BS:P

[nitefyre410]

*delete dbl post*

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 février 2012 - 11:15 .

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

And I thought the steam pressure in the boiler had all but gone with this train.

 

yeah but it was already going down hill so... gravity is just doing its thing..

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

 

That and holding for a  month  just  appearences shake ... yeah some would do some digging and question but it would have been too late and most  people  would have moved on  by then.

Just like  Capcom did with the  MVC 3 collectors editons... plan  to release the DLC for everyone... CE  buyers get a $10 rebate  code to use with then DLC comes out and it also keeps down used sales because people don't trade the game in anyway.  

Would have I brought the DLC ... maybe, maybe not but not instead of a maybe its a no.  

Just looking at it as if  I was in Bioware shoes and how I would handle it.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 27 février 2012 - 11:15 .

[SouzaNZ]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

SouzaNZ wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

SouzaNZ wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

gigiduru wrote...
CE : SE + different skins + fluff items ( comp pet , pictures , art whatever ) + bonus tracks cd + making of cd + artbooks + comics + only cosmetic stuff .

He makes a good point CE should really come with a season pass or something so ALL DLC is free or discounted
Think it really would have taken the wind out of this fight for the most part instead of haveing the bonus squad and mission thingy. just sayin.

Collectors editions should only include in game cosmetic items and out of game physical items. The cosmetic items don't take up much development resources and are a nice touch for the fans that want to pay more but most importantly they do not give any additional content. Physical items are fine for largely the same reasons.

That type of talk will get you in trouble with the other CE folks.But your alright in my book.

Oh well I've pre-ordered the collector's edition for the record so I guess I'll be the first to call myself an ass. I am happy that I am getting access to the Prothean but am still extremely offended that the people who ordered the "full" edition are getting screwed over. BioWare has said that the Prothean is in the collector's edition to reward loyal fans and I would argue that someone's loyalty as a fan should not purely be defined by their financial choices.

It's really refreshing to see someone on here with their head screwed on the right way... and no less someone who actually has the CE pre-ordered and still understands the underlying problem that this Day One content represents.

Some people here are completely out of touch and borderline insane. I had one guy trying to tell me that because I was advocating that From Ashes be included in all full versions of the game that I was advocating slavery because they weren't getting paid for their work. There are no words....