13369 réponses à ce sujet

[El Ejcovero]

Takamori The Templar wrote...
Man don't even try to argue with those idiots, bioware defense force slapped on their foreheads.
You can show all the damn logic, the will get like NOOOOO BIOWARE IS RIGHT.

Niemack Saarinen wrote...
Is EA making you purchase their product? Forcefully? do you have a choice? yes you do.  Dont buy it. 

 
Hence the boycott.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Mass Effect 3: online pass, 10 bucks day 1 DLC. Lots of DLC on marketing products. It is going too far, if you ask me. Were it any other game, I wouldn't get it on launch.

[Spartan901]

so maybe someone could clarify. Am i correct in understanding that if I have the Collectors Edition, but want the additional appearance pack for my entire squad, I still need to pay for the From Ashes DLC? (It was stated the appearance pack was in addition to the one already announced for the CE)

[TK EL_]

it seems that some people are insinuating that our beloved Mike Gamble is *gasp* lying to us! Well, I never...

[Spartanburger]

TK EL wrote...

SOLUTION

I play my CE edition and let you guys know how integral he is to the plot, mkay?

Can I join?

[Takamori The Templar]

Farbautisonn wrote...

ook then. A member of a race thought extinct for 50k years, that has boggled scientists for hundreds of years, has had archeologists and scientists dedicating decades or centuries to undestand, is assumed to be the foundation for all spacefaring worlds, has a certain race worshipping as gods, has deployed monitoring stations in solarsystems such as earth, has left countless artifacts etc etc isnt pivotal to game lore. Gotcha.

We will just mention a member of such a race in passing and let him serve in a suicide mission instead of letting him undergo intense scientific research, massive questioning, and other trivial stuff.

Thats the logic... right?

According to some people, yes.

[Amikae]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Revolar wrote...

Jesus you biodrones really will just be forcefed any ****ing excuse that you're given.
Hell, this isn't even an "excuse" it's some cop out that doesn't even make sense.
But again, you'll mindlessly defend this decision again and again until you're paying subscriptions to play a single player game.
Stay classy.

What thread are you reading? Because 90% of the people posting here are against this and not for it.

Nice trolling.

It's true, there are probably about five or six people who support this ****, and they just keep posting.

Because the people complaining about it are hypocritical and have flawed arguments that they dont even attempt to correct and are so blinded by their sense of entitlement that they spout the same argument over and over and over with out any actual evidence or support to their claims.

You're probably paid to do what you do.

[AxisEvolve]

Mendelevosa wrote...

In a way, I think the Prothean character is a little bit of a waste. Why create a character that comes from an ancient and supposedly extinct race that was attacked by the Reapers, just to have him completely unimportant to the games plot?

Because you retain the mystery of said species but at the same time you throw a bone to the people who wanted a Prothean survivor, and more importantly, a Prothean squadmate. It's a compromise.

[StElmo]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

StElmo wrote...

This is ****ing ****, I am so pissed off. I am a longtime Mass Effect fan, I LOVE these games. Now I am getting screwed for being a good customer???

**** OFF BIOWARE.

TB drone  ! Looks like Biodrone are not the only one in this thread 

Actually, i often disagree with him, but he makes sense on this.

Seriously, I only just found out, this sucks man!

[RohanDaKitty]

Michael Gamble wrote...
- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.
 

 

The fact that this DLC includes a Prothean and a trip to Eden Prime is the bit that makes me think this is gross. This is huge in the world of Mass Effect.

Michael Gamble wrote... 
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
 

 

The version long time fans are likely to purchase is Mass Effect 3 because they played and enjoyed Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2! Collectors Edition's are supossed to be exactly that, for Collectors. For people who are willing to pay more, for a little bit extra. They are not supossed to be Enhacned Editions!

CE offerings should be cosmetic bonuses in-game with little single player perks maybe. Not the exclusive inclusion of characters that are hugely important to the entire series' lore and fiction.

Michael Gamble wrote...  
- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

  

Does that include writing?
Are you telling me this character and the events in this DLC was written by people not of the core development team? Or was this character already written and ready to be placed into the game, but was, as you say, given to a seperate team for the sake of making it DLC? Was this content a part of the initial Mass Effect 3 script?

When were the voices recorded for this DLC?
If this content was finished after the core game, did you have to reassemble the voice cast to record lines of dialouge for the DLC? Or is it more likely this content was already written and subsequently recorded when the voice cast gave thier intial, core game, performances?
\\

Michael Gamble wrote... 
- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.
 

If you really wanted to do that, if this was content that couldn't be completed in the intial development cycle and was completed after the game went to cert, then include it now. Free of charge.

I have my CE Pre-Oredered. I've already paid my $130.00 AUD. But I still find this really gross. My sister is a huge ME fan and to think she's going to miss out on a Prothean squadmate because she couldn't afford the CE edition really stinks.

This fiasco, plus the monetisation of this game, with DLC being paired with other items like art books and figures, leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

I'm have a very negetive Mass Effect 3 experience and the game isn't even out yet... 

Modifié par RohanDaKitty, 23 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[Revolar]

Knubbsal wrote...

In a few years we pay an extra 40 euro on top of the actual 60 euro game to have access to all incoming dlc. It will be: the Mega Digital Deluxe edition.

Are you kidding? You ALREADY have to pay $800+ to get all the DLC and extras at LAUNCH for mass effect 3.

[Yuoaman]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

StElmo wrote...

This is ****ing ****, I am so pissed off. I am a longtime Mass Effect fan, I LOVE these games. Now I am getting screwed for being a good customer???

**** OFF BIOWARE.

TB drone  ! Looks like Biodrone are not the only one in this thread 

So because we agree with someone else... we're mindlessly following them?

The hell is wrong with your logic?

[Paragon Auducan]

Screw the Neanderthol analogy, it would be more like the Grays coming down and saying 'Hi' and then something they have fought before attacks Earth and then they all just shrug and say 'can I walk behind you with a stick and shout over dere'?

[NoxJuked]

The ones who complain aren't going to get what they want. I feel this happens with every game that comes out now and people **** it's just the way business goes these days, if you really want to do something about it then make you're own ****ing game company and game. You get an adventure on Eden Prime, new squad mate, cosmetic costumes for the rest of you're crew, that sounds pretty damn amazing for 10$. He isn't going to be important. Why!?! Because he isn't going to be 50,000 years old and a prothean who went into hiding isn't going to know how to stop the reapers he's there to be a new squad mate and shoot ****. We already got 2 free dlc last 2 games + we get multiplayer this time around sounds good to me. They can't back out now either because it's in the CE, then they would have to give more to the people who paid for the CE.

[loungeshep]

And I thought U2 fans were bad.

THen I thought Transformers fans were bad.

I was wrong, so very wrong. Mass Effect fans are worse.

Damn.

[nevar00]

Mendelevosa wrote...

In a way, I think the Prothean character is a little bit of a waste. Why create a character that comes from an ancient and supposedly extinct race that was attacked by the Reapers, just to have him completely unimportant to the games plot?

And therein lies the problem.

The fact that he exists should be important enough to play a huge role and twist in the main game.  Apparently Bioware and EA would rather milk us for extra cash.

[Knightstar2001]

I find it funny that some people refuse to accept that Bioware and EA are business and exist to make as much money off the products they make as they can. Do they try to make their customers happy when they can,sure. But do you really expect them to ignore chances to make money off of extra stuff just because that might or will upset you?
people claiming that anyone who defends this or accepts it is just a blind fan boy or tool are forgetting that there are two sides to everything. Am I arguing that it is okay to sell an inferior product with the intent to charge for content that would bring the product up to standards,no.
I am arguing that if they have created/designed a product that meets the standards of their industry and wish to develop stuff that would make the product even better,that is their right. They don't have to offer us DLC, They don't have include a way for everyone to obtain this.

I'm trying to understand when paying for the standard game suddenly meant that you should be getting the standard game and anything else that is released for the game around then. I thought standard game meant standard game. Not standard and anything I feel entitled to. And when did the customer start deciding what is a full game or not?
60 bucks is the standard price for Games(at least here in the US,prices may vary according to your area) and you are getting your money's worth if you get a game that is up to standard. Bioware must feel that the content on the standard game is worth what they are charging and can stand on it's own.
If you are complaining about being charged 60 bucks for a game,then you are going to hate games on the next generation of consoles. I doubt the industry won't take that as a chance to increase the cost of games since that has been about the only time they can do it without people pointing out that other games built for that generation aren't being sold at that high a price.

[nickkcin11]

So if we have the standard edition (hoping to get the CE, I'm first on the waiting list at Gamestop. Hope someone gets hit by a car or laid off) we can still get the DLC character? Or was this just a leak?

As for people complaining about BW "milking you" for cash... really? You don't HAVE to buy this DLC you know.
"But back in my day, games came with the full content! We only got expansions well after the game came out!"
If you've said something along these lines... you're getting older. Do you think anyone at BW or EA cares what you think about there current MO? No they don't. And no amount of bi***ing on a forum is going to change that. If you have a problem with it, just don't buy it. 

Modifié par nickkcin11, 23 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Mass Effect 3: online pass, 10 bucks day 1 DLC. Lots of DLC on marketing products. It is going too far, if you ask me. Were it any other game, I wouldn't get it on launch.

Oh, I forgot retailers exclusives.

[Draconis6666]

Revolar wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
 the likely hood of people paying for it is unlikely

No you see, that's exactly the ****ing problem. You WILL pay for it. You'd pay for anything that bioware threw at you because you're a mindless consumer with no self respect to actually want a good quality product.
There's no point arguing with you kind of people because you're completely and utterly ignorant to your stupidity.
Here we are, fighting for your right to be given a decent product at a reasonable price so YOU don't get ripped off.
Your response: "BUT HERR DURR ITS ONLY 10 BUCKSSS IF U DUNT WANT IT UD ONT HAV TO BUY IT".
Listen to youreself. You're an idiot.

No I wouldnt pay for it actualy, I do however understand that instead of paying $60 for the game and $10 for some additoinal content i could easily just be paying $80 for the game with no option of paying less to not get something I may not care about. The fact that you only have to pay $60 at all for games is something that you should be  happy about with how much currency has devalued over the last 10-20 years you should be paying a hundred dollars or more for most games. The fact is that vidoe games rip you off less than 90% of the other indutries out there and yet you are here ****ing about video games which are a luxury good instead of out protesting the exploitating and blatant rip offs that are forced on you for non luxury goods like gas, your car, automotive repairs, etc.

[nitefyre410]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

So this specific DLC was the only reason you bought it? Not all of the other DLC and the actual physical bonuses? Even if it had just been the physical bonuses I would have considered it worth it.

Would all the superficial extras have been enough to justify my $20? Perhaps. However, when I saw the list of stuff that was a bonus for the CE, and the DLC was included, it made me say to mysef, "Woah! That's quite the bang for my buck there." It definitely heavily influenced my decision. You make that DLC that was promised to me as part of my CE available to everyone, and you remove my bang for my buck. While yes, I may have paid $20 for everything else anyway, you devalue the $20 I already spent by making it available to everyone. That make any sense?

 

Perhaps ? Do you know how much artbooks and soundtracks run seperate... the Artbook  can be anywhere from 10 and up... the soundtrack could be between 10 - 20 or higher  depending on the game sense this Bioware is  bit cheaper than say a  Final Fantasy soundtrack  that could be 30 bucks because of having to import it. 

So combined alone with the Artbook and  Soundtrack minus everything else  you have your $20 there.  

I see what you are trying  too say but it just does not add up. 

The Artbook  alone is $26  bucks on Amazon.

[Azorgamer]

For someone who pre-ordered the CE last summer, I heard there would be an extra squadmate and mission but never something so awesome. Thank you Bioware, I forked over the extra money for the CE and am getting one heck of a deal along with all the other CE goodies. I'm glad you made the DLC available to everyone else as a purchase - that's only fair because the Prothean is to awesome to not allow everyone else a chance to get it themselves.

I know many will not agree with my sentiments but just wanted to say, thanks Bioware for the awesome DLC! You've made it very tempting for me to buy special/collector editions of future Bioware games if these are the kind of goodies one can expect. Can't wait until 3/6/2012!

[StElmo]

The problem is that publishers are shoehorning people into

A) Getting screwed by the corporations for being loyal fans.
Boycotting, and not being able to play the game, because of poor choices on the publishers part.
C) Pirating the game so they can play it, but reinforcing the publishers belief that they are dirty theievs, not legit customers.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Revolar wrote...

Knubbsal wrote...

In a few years we pay an extra 40 euro on top of the actual 60 euro game to have access to all incoming dlc. It will be: the Mega Digital Deluxe edition.

Are you kidding? You ALREADY have to pay $800+ to get all the DLC and extras at LAUNCH for mass effect 3.

Dude, get your facts straight: the DLC that comes with the extras like the action figures is DLC for a pack of goodies in MP like the ones you already buy from credits earned in the game. More action figures = more packs, not more in-game content or special weapons/squaddies/armor/etc.

[RiouHotaru]

Yuoaman wrote...

It's true, there are probably about five or six people who support this ****, and they just keep posting.

Something else to consider (and what a shocker!): Most folks don't care, or have already come to a decision, and have decided simply to not say anything because there's no point.