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[ZX12r Ninja]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

and i have principles aswell but i can also tell the difference between a con for money and extra DLC for a nominal cost that is Optional wow so terrible and hard done by because we are being forced to buy it..........lol

Yeah, Bioware sent a guy around the other day. He's holding a gun to my head rightnow saying he'll shoot if I cancel my order.

[stargatefan1990]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

and i have principles aswell but i can also tell the difference between a con for money and extra DLC for a nominal cost that is Optional wow so terrible and hard done by because we are being forced to buy it..........lol

Yeah, Bioware sent a guy around the other day. He's holding a gun to my head rightnow saying he'll shoot if I cancel my order.

now thats agressive sales tactics lol

[AkiKishi]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

and i have principles aswell but i can also tell the difference between a con for money and extra DLC for a nominal cost that is Optional wow so terrible and hard done by because we are being forced to buy it..........lol

Can you honestly? 

Is ME3 worth £10 more than the cost price ? Is any game ? 

Now if someone asked me that question about ME2 it would be a resounding yes and I'd gladly pay it. However the rest of the market would look at ME2 priced £10 higher than everything around it and pick another game.

Enter day1DLC. Day1DLC is a way to use your production budget to increase the price of the game. That is it's purpose, just like online passes were dreamed up to combat the used games market.MIlk the gamer market for the extra £10 you can't get off the casual market. 

These back door price increases cause a lot of ill will and are not sustainable. At some point word is going to get out to the casuals that they are being ripped off not only in day1DLC missing content, but also not being able to access online passes unless you are actually online (my 360 for instance is not connected to the internet)

[stargatefan1990]

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

and i have principles aswell but i can also tell the difference between a con for money and extra DLC for a nominal cost that is Optional wow so terrible and hard done by because we are being forced to buy it..........lol

Can you honestly? 

Is ME3 worth £10 more than the cost price ? Is any game ? 

Now if someone asked me that question about ME2 it would be a resounding yes and I'd gladly pay it. However the rest of the market would look at ME2 priced £10 higher than everything around it and pick another game.

Enter day1DLC. Day1DLC is a way to use your production budget to increase the price of the game. That is it's purpose, just like online passes were dreamed up to combat the used games market.MIlk the gamer market for the extra £10 you can't get off the casual market. 

These back door price increases cause a lot of ill will and are not sustainable. At some point word is going to get out to the casuals that they are being ripped off not only in day1DLC missing content, but also not being able to access online passes unless you are actually online (my 360 for instance is not connected to the internet)

i do not like arguing but i must question your sources, DLC is content that has been deemed unecesary to tell the story for that pertular game ffs how many times, and it wouldnt see the light of day without DLC and "price has risen" what do you think your buying when you buy the game? the disc maybe? the money that has went into making the game and inflation ofcourse prices are going to increase Day one DLC only increases the cost if you choose to buy it i could explain more but i have so much it is getting old

[stargatefan1990]

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

[Kithrus]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

and i have principles aswell but i can also tell the difference between a con for money and extra DLC for a nominal cost that is Optional wow so terrible and hard done by because we are being forced to buy it..........lol

Yeah, Bioware sent a guy around the other day. He's holding a gun to my head rightnow saying he'll shoot if I cancel my order.

I know if you look at it that simply then yes it can come across that way

[myxxmasta]

Cre-order pancelled!

[stargatefan1990]

How can something be missing if it was never on or planned to be on the disc in the first place?????????? only added content to fit later on if you want it

[rob593]

It's inevitable that Bioware will release, what? Lets say 5-6 pieces of DLC over the next year or so, so why not just wait until then and buy the game for less than retail and with everything included.

Nobody, regardless of the "Edition" you buy is getting the entire game at launch (as envisioned by Bioware) If Bioware ever intend to change the core storyline in any way at any point by adding things to it, then it will never be complete until the day they say, "nope, no more DLC" CE owners are getting more than SE owners but they are still only getting a very small amount of the planned DLC.

Nobody will be able to play and complete the ultimate and entirely complete shepard story until about 6-12 months after initial release, it's the nature of the beast. So to those of you unhappy about day 1 DLC, just find a different game to play for a few months, and then spend 15 dollars on the inevitable ULTIMATE Xx2 EDITION of WIN that includes everything and then enjoy the ultimate ME3 experience, you've already waited this long anyway right?

I did this with ME2 and quite frankly im rather glad I waited to experience the entire of the game including all the DLC in one go, and it cost me half of what it cost people to buy the barebones retail edition.

[AkiKishi]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

i do not like arguing but i must question your sources, DLC is content that has been deemed unecesary to tell the story for that pertular game ffs how many times, and it wouldnt see the light of day without DLC and "price has risen" what do you think your buying when you buy the game? the disc maybe? the money that has went into making the game and inflation ofcourse prices are going to increase Day one DLC only increases the cost if you choose to buy it i could explain more but i have so much it is getting old

Do you think Bioware/EA are the only ones that do day1DLC?

That's what is called a value judgement. Someone is telling someone else what that DLC is worth.It's like trying to put a price on Garrus, it's down to the individual.

I know the theory. Game prices have remained stable despite inflation........
Thats not an excuse to artificially inflate them without any indication on the box.

Bioware sends the ME3 box with a big Prothean optional £10extra sticker, I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with the underhanded way it's done. Clearly you are ok with it.

[gigiduru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Can you honestly? 

Is ME3 worth £10 more than the cost price ? Is any game ? 

Now if someone asked me that question about ME2 it would be a resounding yes and I'd gladly pay it. However the rest of the market would look at ME2 priced £10 higher than everything around it and pick another game.

Enter day1DLC. Day1DLC is a way to use your production budget to increase the price of the game. That is it's purpose, just like online passes were dreamed up to combat the used games market.MIlk the gamer market for the extra £10 you can't get off the casual market. 

These back door price increases cause a lot of ill will and are not sustainable. At some point word is going to get out to the casuals that they are being ripped off not only in day1DLC missing content, but also not being able to access online passes unless you are actually online (my 360 for instance is not connected to the internet)

I agree with you , but it seems that 3/4 ppl are not and they like being ripped off , so EA / BW will continue with this practice . I suggest you play this game , as a rental or wait till the price drops , because in my vision i see it this way : 
BW Production department : ppl like us , their job is to make an awesome game with a good gameplay and shiny graphics . They have a job and they are paid for it , maybe with a bonus on launch date or smth .
BW/EA Marketing and Sales : Gready a-holes that want to make as much money as posible and will do all kinds of ****ry to get to your $ . 

Some ppl might feel  that they are entitled to smth exclusive in their CE that is story/character wise . I do not agree with them ( and lets leave it at that ) . Some ppl think that the dlc is covered in the price of the CE . That might be true , or not ... we don't know but the question i would put is the folowing :

Wouldn't you want smth EXCLUSIVE that isn't available to anyone like some awesome t-shirt or sticker or cap or anything ? I would ... not some dlc that is available to all on day 1 . 

Hopefully this will be the last post here bc i am not trying to make ppl change their opinions , i just want to raise a flag and hopefully in the future more and more ppl will at least understand that this is not normal . 

[AkiKishi]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

[stargatefan1990]

rob593 wrote...

It's inevitable that Bioware will release, what? Lets say 5-6 pieces of DLC over the next year or so, so why not just wait until then and buy the game for less than retail and with everything included.

Nobody, regardless of the "Edition" you buy is getting the entire game at launch (as envisioned by Bioware) If Bioware ever intend to change the core storyline in any way at any point by adding things to it, then it will never be complete until the day they say, "nope, no more DLC" CE owners are getting more than SE owners but they are still only getting a very small amount of the planned DLC.

Nobody will be able to play and complete the ultimate and entirely complete shepard story until about 6-12 months after initial release, it's the nature of the beast. So to those of you unhappy about day 1 DLC, just find a different game to play for a few months, and then spend 15 dollars on the inevitable ULTIMATE Xx2 EDITION of WIN that includes everything and then enjoy the ultimate ME3 experience, you've already waited this long anyway right?

I did this with ME2 and quite frankly im rather glad I waited to experience the entire of the game including all the DLC in one go, and it cost me half of what it cost people to buy the barebones retail edition.

this is misleading the Barebones" edition is still a perfectly playable and awsome game by itself sure the dlc make it better but the story is still top class without it its not like your only getting the action and no dialog choices etc i ask that you word it better sorry im a bit fired up lol

[stargatefan1990]

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

 why not charge a pass if your online your using there servers they cost money to maintain a bit pricey i agree but they need funds got to think of these things

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 27 février 2012 - 03:16 .

[Planeforger]

Anyone else notice how the reactions now are pretty much identical to the reactions nine months ago, when the Prothean squadmate info first leaked?

Actually, back then people were finding out even more information about it - someone even claims to have spotted the Prothean in an early screenshot of the game: http://social.biowar...51111/3#7576100

[AkiKishi]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

 why not charge a pass if your online your using there servers they cost money to maintain a bit pricey i agree but they need funds got to think of these things

So why should people who are not online pay for things that they don't use ? The box needs a clear warning that if you are not online you are not getting content while paying the same price.

[Threesixtyci]

Why is there no mention of this on the Origin site? It's been 5 days. Unless the Dog is the Prothean character. Also, seems that the BF3 Bonus Game is no longer offered. Says, "Important Note: ME3 pre-order does not include a bonus copy of Battlefield 3." I wonder if those that pre-ordered when the Bonus offer was valid still get the free copy, or if they canceled it for everyone.

http://store.origin....html/pbPage.me3

edit: didn't realize that the CE was 20 bucks more, but my orginal idea still holds true for the Standard edition. Although you still get 10 bucks credit from the CE edition, too.

Modifié par Threesixtyci, 27 février 2012 - 04:02 .

[stargatefan1990]

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

 why not charge a pass if your online your using there servers they cost money to maintain a bit pricey i agree but they need funds got to think of these things

So why should people who are not online pay for things that they don't use ? The box needs a clear warning that if you are not online you are not getting content while paying the same price.

well im pre ordering and mostly going to use the single player game and i believe 20+ hours for one playthrough for a game il play through at least twice is more than worth it and i have a multiplayer pass i can use if i so choose it is worth it for me +DLC if it is not for you then fair enough not trying to convert anyone lol if youve decided to not buy for now that is your call

[BaronIveagh]

Threesixtyci wrote...

Why is there no mention of this on the Origin site? It's been 5 days. Unless the Dog is the Prothean character. Also, seems that the BF3 Bonus Game is no longer offered. Says, "Important Note: ME3 pre-order does not include a bonus copy of Battlefield 3." I wonder if those that pre-ordered when the Bonus offer was valid still get the free copy, or if they canceled it for everyone.

http://store.origin....html/pbPage.me3

Watch, I bet it turns out like thier free copy of BF 1943 did and they refuse to honor it until sued.

[ZX12r Ninja]

gigiduru wrote...

I agree with you , but it seems that 3/4 ppl are not and they like being ripped off , so EA / BW will continue with this practice . I suggest you play this game , as a rental or wait till the price drops , because in my vision i see it this way : 
BW Production department : ppl like us , their job is to make an awesome game with a good gameplay and shiny graphics . They have a job and they are paid for it , maybe with a bonus on launch date or smth .
BW/EA Marketing and Sales : Gready a-holes that want to make as much money as posible and will do all kinds of ****ry to get to your $ . 

Some ppl might feel  that they are entitled to smth exclusive in their CE that is story/character wise . I do not agree with them ( and lets leave it at that ) . Some ppl think that the dlc is covered in the price of the CE . That might be true , or not ... we don't know but the question i would put is the folowing :

Wouldn't you want smth EXCLUSIVE that isn't available to anyone like some awesome t-shirt or sticker or cap or anything ? I would ... not some dlc that is available to all on day 1 . 

Hopefully this will be the last post here bc i am not trying to make ppl change their opinions , i just want to raise a flag and hopefully in the future more and more ppl will at least understand that this is not normal .

First you say that you are not so sure whether the costs of the DLC is covered in the CE price and then you go on to say that you would like something exclusive not available for others. Yeah it's available to others if they pay more, just like you pay more for CE. In both cases, the only way of getting it is by paying more then the standard.

And please do get of your high horse. Who are you to tell me what I should do with my money! If I have the money to spend and I like being ripped off that's my problem not yours. If you think it's a scam then great, avoid it, don't spend your money.

[obie191970]

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

Actually, you'll get more if you are connected.  There's a whole story-line that's Project $10.

[AkiKishi]

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

Actually, you'll get more if you are connected.  There's a whole story-line that's Project $10.

Project $10 is about ripping off people without internet access?

[rob593]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

It's inevitable that Bioware will release, what? Lets say 5-6 pieces of DLC over the next year or so, so why not just wait until then and buy the game for less than retail and with everything included.

Nobody, regardless of the "Edition" you buy is getting the entire game at launch (as envisioned by Bioware) If Bioware ever intend to change the core storyline in any way at any point by adding things to it, then it will never be complete until the day they say, "nope, no more DLC" CE owners are getting more than SE owners but they are still only getting a very small amount of the planned DLC.

Nobody will be able to play and complete the ultimate and entirely complete shepard story until about 6-12 months after initial release, it's the nature of the beast. So to those of you unhappy about day 1 DLC, just find a different game to play for a few months, and then spend 15 dollars on the inevitable ULTIMATE Xx2 EDITION of WIN that includes everything and then enjoy the ultimate ME3 experience, you've already waited this long anyway right?

I did this with ME2 and quite frankly im rather glad I waited to experience the entire of the game including all the DLC in one go, and it cost me half of what it cost people to buy the barebones retail edition.

this is misleading the Barebones" edition is still a perfectly playable and awsome game by itself sure the dlc make it better but the story is still top class without it its not like your only getting the action and no dialog choices etc i ask that you word it better sorry im a bit fired up lol

I don't mean to claim the "barebones" edition is unplayable or poor in any way, all I'm saying is it's not the end/ultimate/everything included version it will be in 6 to 12 months time. So each person gets to make the choice, play your respective versions of the game (CE or SE or whatever) game at release, or wait 6 to 12 months until the game is final with all the DLC.

Personally I prefer the second option, it's just an added bonus that it's cheaper that way too

The only thing that will make me buy games at release now, is a guarantee that all upcoming DLC (DLC released after the launch of a game) will be added onto the end of the game to extend it, an example would be LotSB and/or Arrival. It will never happen, because too many people are willing to pay silly amounts at launch and then even more silly amounts throughout the first 6 months of a new game.

Modifié par rob593, 27 février 2012 - 03:51 .

[Threesixtyci]

You know, you can still get the Standard edition with the DLC for 60 bucks. Just pre-order from Amazon. Although you'll only collect on your 10 bucks when you use Amazon a second time. But, it's still 10 bucks credited to you. Just don't lose the code when Amazon emails it to you.

Modifié par Threesixtyci, 27 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[stargatefan1990]

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

oh and passes are optional up to the customer up to the customer to deem if it is necessary or not so once again argument fail

Huh ? 

Lets say I buy KOA on the360 there is nothing that says if you are not connected to the internet you will not be getting a huge ammount of content even though you just paid the same price for this game.

Actually, you'll get more if you are connected.  There's a whole story-line that's Project $10.

Project $10 is about ripping off people without internet access?

ahh no not at all its to provide who buy it new to get free dlc that adds up to $10 which btw with me2 does me3 if you really do not want multiplayer thats your choice