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[Crunchyboxmmmmm]

This whole dlc "From Ashes" thing is stupidiculous on so many fronts. Trying to tell anyone who is aware of the mass effect series/story that the dlc is "optional" is like telling the fatman at the Golden Corral that the buffet is "optional!" Oh you could have the BUFFET but our menus are top choice there big guy!

Sure you geared this whole thing towards long time fans, but what about the new one's that'll be made? Don't you think they'll become aware of the whole experience? Then they'll look back after joining the series, and in disgusted wonderment in how Bioware co. thought it was a good idea to make people pay for content that is related to one of the biggest mystery in the game, THE PROTHEANS.

I'm gonna stop you guys right in your tracks with how you've addressed this whole thing towards your audience/customers. Don't ever tell me/us that this DLC was developed by a different team and it was just started up a short period ago and was able to be completed and sent out on DAY ONE, because; you people had this planned well in advance long before it was even announced last summer that the ME3:ce would contain a bonus character and mission. It's completely irrelevant when you started it, it has everything to do with the concept of it and the choice to start it late.

You people goddamn knew you could've started this a long time ago it was obviously started late as so could be used as an excuse or just plain old poor managment as i'm sure you could've had this done in the game and completed it during the production cycle, so bulls**t poppycock.

I'm thinkin' that you guys completely screwed yourselves on this one because of what the dlc contains and what it represents and then you decided to charge for it and IF THIS THING DOESN'T LIVE UP TO THE STORY OR ISN'T AS GRAND AS IT SHOULD BE, then your gonna get a big egg in the face and you'll end up getting marked like infinity ward/ activision just has more recently with their continuing obese child.

We all know that you need to make money, everyone needs to make money so this can't be used as an excuse because everyone needs money so it's completely forgone and irrelevant to say or imply it as an excuse or completely shi**y business model.

I'm getting the collector's edition of MASS EFFECT 3 so I don't have to pay the extra dollars. Maybe you guys should nix the whole charge for it and make it free or have a compromise and cut the price in half, it's obviously up to yourselves and EA and i'm sure it's already set in stone what you've decided to do but remember this, you will be held accountable by the actions of your choices, and it's a really stupid choice to have done this regardless of the small price and the fact that you guys were not that long ago named studio of the year.

I expect better than moronic choices from a company that is run by people who have medical degrees from the UNIVERSITY OF ALBERTA. It doesn't matter who made the choice whether it was within Bioware or came from EA's brass all that matters was that the choice is made and now you've cheaped yourselves like a two dollar vegas hooker.

Please don't treat myself or the rest of your customers/audience by dreaming up things like this recent debacle ever again and trying to defend it with such an unthoroughly thought excuse or statement.  

[Evercrow]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BloodyTwix wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Link please.

http://www.ag.ru/che..._effect_3/30817 Very bottom of the page.

You know those are multiplayer objectives right?

wow, you really took time to look at that page

DLC: From Ashes

Freedom Fighter (Bronze)
Objective: Find all required intel to help Eden Prime's colonists.

Prothean Expert (Bronze)
Objective: Learn more about the Prothean Empire.

[Syrellaris]

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

[DOZAH]

AlanC9 wrote...

File this one under "outrageous sense of entitlement," folks.

You're a console gamer.

[AlanC9]

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

File this one under "outrageous sense of entitlement," folks.

You're a console gamer.

Obviously not. Check my profile.

Or were you just trying to insult me there?

[WizenSlinky0]

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

Least you can't accuse them of ending prematurely

[ZX12r Ninja]

Evercrow wrote...


wow, you really took time to look at that page

Yeah... Almost all thropies above are related to multiplayer so why would one assume that the DLC ones aren't?

[didymos1120]

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

File this one under "outrageous sense of entitlement," folks.

You're a console gamer.

So, does shooting yourself in the foot hurt as much as I imagine?

[obie191970]

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

File this one under "outrageous sense of entitlement," folks.

You're a console gamer.

Mass Effect is a console franchise.

[stargatefan1990]

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

[WalkingBartie]

obie191970 wrote...

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

File this one under "outrageous sense of entitlement," folks.

You're a console gamer.

Mass Effect is a console franchise.

..developed and tested on PCs first.

[rob593]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

[DOZAH]

AlanC9 wrote...

Obviously not. Check my profile.

Or were you just trying to insult me there?

So you've no problem with an unnanounced price hike for the standard full game experience to be $80 instead of $60 on a platform that pays no liscensing or distribution fees to a third party?  Actually, the manufacturer of the product is also the sole distributor on the digital download front so there's absolutely no middle-man fees at all.

If that is true, I stand by my statement, regardless of what machine you operate on.

[tez19]

DOZAH wrote...

Hi. Just wanted to say that my opinion of Bioware has completely changed over the course of the last year or so. Instead of a quality company that makes classic games, they've become another spineless developer who won't/can't withstand publisher pressure in order to provide for their customer's best interests.

In a game as big and commercially successful as Mass Effect, do you really need to cheap shot long time fans with price-gouging DLC? It's shameful, really.

I've been buying Bioware games on day 1 for a long time, DA2 was the first time I didn't since KOTOR. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to build a positive reputation as a quality company that produces memorable experiences their customers remember and appreciate for a long time. It only takes a couple missteps like this one to destroy that relationship and change your companies image permanently for the worse.

The Hubris of Bioware is too much for me now. I will wait to buy Mass Effect 3 until it is bundled as a trilogy with ALL CONTENT COMPLETE AND INCLUDED. Until then, you might as well change my handle to the YARRRRbitor because I see no reason to deprive myself of something I've been anticipating for years simply because of your companies outright, blatant, and abusive avarice.

Bioware, you are destroying the reputation that you've worked so hard to establish for yourselves over the years. Is it really worth it, for some 10$ DLC? I guess you think so...

Here, here. Unfortunately your words will fall on deaf ears as the BIOWARE DEFENSE FORCE can not see any wrong in their favourite developer and are hoping and praying to 'get lucky' with one of the developers for defending their shady underhanded businesses tactics so vehemently.

[stargatefan1990]

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

No ofcourse not, i didnt say that i was just making a point

[AkiKishi]

RDSFirebane wrote...

DOZAH wrote...

Bioware, you are destroying the reputation that you've worked so hard to establish for yourselves over the years. Is it really worth it, for some 10$ DLC? I guess you think so...

I'm sorry but if one 10 dollar DLC is all it took to ruin BioWare for you guys I have to question what you think a fan is...

Use sports fans for example they seem to support their teams no matter whats going on or how bad they hate them at that moment. maybe we should all take note from that just sayin.

That depends on the level of addiction. There comes a point where ticket prices reach tipping point and more people won't pay than will.

Fans are not a unified force either. Not everyone is a fan of Bioware, they are only a fan of MassEffect. Some are only a fan of the Shepard character.

[rob593]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

No ofcourse not, i didnt say that i was just making a point

Oh I'm sorry, please continue...

... Your point was?

@tez19
You really don't help the against crowd you know.

Modifié par rob593, 27 février 2012 - 07:55 .

[stargatefan1990]

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

No ofcourse not, i didnt say that i was just making a point

Oh I'm sorry, please continue...

... Your point was?

@tez19
You really don't help the against crowd you know.

I meant that without the DLC the game is still full and it still will be amazing, i'm talking as a massive fan of the ME series but without DLC you wouldnt have missions like the lair of the shadow broker which was fun in ME2

[AlanC9]

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Obviously not. Check my profile.

Or were you just trying to insult me there?

So you've no problem with an unnanounced price hike for the standard full game experience to be $80 instead of $60 on a platform that pays no liscensing or distribution fees to a third party?  Actually, the manufacturer of the product is also the sole distributor on the digital download front so there's absolutely no middle-man fees at all.

If that is true, I stand by my statement, regardless of what machine you operate on.

So "console gamer" doesn't have anything do to with actually being a console gamer? Why on earth do you want to define "console gamer" the way you're defining it? Words have meanings, you know.

As for unannounced price hike, nonsense. We've known there was going to be a DLC character and mission for months.

That leaves pricing. I simply don't care how the money that console gamers pay (actual console gamers, that is) is divided up between EA and the console manufacturers. I'm going to pay my $60 or so to Amazon; how they divide that money with EA isn't my concern either. If I did care, I might be more likely to go digital download, but I don't care.

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2012 - 08:01 .

[rob593]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

No ofcourse not, i didnt say that i was just making a point

Oh I'm sorry, please continue...

... Your point was?

@tez19
You really don't help the against crowd you know.

I meant that without the DLC the game is still full and it still will be amazing, i'm talking as a massive fan of the ME series but without DLC you wouldnt have missions like the lair of the shadow broker which was fun in ME2

So this thread is an anti-DLC thread? I thought it was about day 1 DLC.

Regardless, I agree LotSB was fantastic, a good example of how DLC should be done.

[Evercrow]

RDSFirebane wrote...

I'm sorry but if one 10 dollar DLC is all it took to ruin BioWare for you guys I have to question what you think a fan is...

Use sports fans for example they seem to support their teams no matter whats going on or how bad they hate them at that moment. maybe we should all take note from that just sayin.

Thing is, Bioware is not independent company anymore. How can you be sure that paying more money to Origin(EA) or other retailer  will support  people,who were actually creating the game?And where ends Bioware and starts EA now?
If they were indie dev going through hard times, it's simple- show up on their donation site,and say "here,have 100$,hope you may continue to work on those awesome games".  Now, you can only hope that at least decent percentage of your money will reach them without resting in the pockets of some third-party.

ZX12r Ninja wrote...


Yeah... Almost all thropies above are related to multiplayer so why would one assume that the DLC ones aren't?

50+ Achievements. Seems like a complete list to me.It's just tells you how big emphasis on multiplayer achievements is, if you almost can't see single-player ones in between.

Modifié par Evercrow, 27 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[didymos1120]

AlanC9 wrote...

So "console gamer" doesn't have anything do to with actually being a console gamer? Why on earth do you want to define "console gamer" the way you're defining it? Words have meanings, you know.

But if he defines it, you know, sensibly, he can't indulge in his "No True Scotsman" crap.

Modifié par didymos1120, 27 février 2012 - 08:04 .

[Syrellaris]

rob593 wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Seriously 465 pages of crap about you all think your getting screwed? Give it up already.

agreed there's alot of whining about nothing. You don't think you can afford the DLC? Then don't get it, it wont ruin the game not having it, the game is fll without the DLC it's just extra bits that would probably be fun to chek out

Do you really think thats what all this thread is about? Not being able to afford it?

This thread has nothing to do with the price. This thread is about you all whining you get "shafted" according to your OWN opinions. Which could not be farther from the truth.

Fact is, even if they offered this DLC for free to all copies of ME3, and then created a Single other type of DLC and bundled that with the CE and offered it on the market on release day for the rest to buy and download, you all WOULD STILL COMPLAIN about it not being fair and that that piece of DLC should also be free!

[rob593]

Syrellaris wrote...This thread is about you all whining you get "shafted" according to your OWN opinions. Which could not be farther from the truth.

I laughed

[RiouHotaru]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

It's perfectly acceptable.  The character is not essential to the story.  He is, and always was, planned as an add on DLC, as we have known since the first advertisements for the collectors edition came out.  When they produced him is irrelevant.  They produced a game with content X that they will sell for $60.  This character is add on content Y, which is for sale for $10 more or included for free in the CE.  If they cut up the game into a bunch of little pieces, as you apparently fear, then it becomes unplayable and no one buys it.  IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE DLC, DO NOT BUY IT.  But you are not entitled to a piece of content they have deemed as extra just because of when it was produced.

Let me ask you a serious question.  If they'd kept this under raps and released it 3 months after the initial game, would you still be so upset?  I rather doubt it.  The only reason people care is because of when they THINK the DLC was made in conjunction with the real game (whether or not that has any basis in reality).  I predict that in the future, Bioware will do exactly that, denying us content we could have had earlier but for the whining of people like you, who apparently believe they have some god given right to content that the developer has decided is not part of the core game.

Optional.

An interesting word that many people seem to think is a valid argument when defending EA/Bioware's decision to separate this content and sell it to us as an additional package on release day.

"It's entirely optional. Yo don't have to buy it, you know."

I wonder how many people would have bought the original Mass Effect had it's 'optional' content been sold as additional content on release day?

- Planetary exploration and the side missions that accompany it: Optional
- Additional Armor found throughout the game: Optional
- Additional Weapons found throughout the game: Optional
- Armor and Weapon Upgrades: Optional
- Cutsomizable Commander Shepard: Optional
- Dialogue and Outcome Altering Choices: Optional
- Wrex, Garrus and Liara and any missions directly associated with them: Optional
- Various Game Difficulty Settings: Optional
- Anything in the Options/Settings Menu: Optional

Starting to look like a pretty bare-bones game, isn't it? The same could be said of Mass Effect 2 or pratically any other game... but most of all, RPGs. RPGs are all about options and optional content. It's what most people enjoy about them, getting lost in another world and living another life. One of the selling points of Skyrim for many people was the fact that it had an infinite amount of optional side-quests to keep people busy and playing the game straight out of the box and at no extra charge.

I have no problem with DLC. I love picking up a new mission after I've bought and finished a game that makes me go back to play it again. I also don't mind paying the price at that time for something that the Devs have worked on after they've finished the main game. The GTA IV, Fallout 3, Red Dead Redemption and Oblivion packs all come to mind as being well worth the extra coin.

What if development was finished a year before a game was actually released and that remaining time was spent developing 'Optional' content to be released on Day One?

When you defend 'optional' content (that is actual content, not just weapon and character skins) that is released for a price on Day One simply because of the fact that it's 'optional', you're telling the Publishers/Developers that it's ok to start removing some of the things I mentioned above and charge you  extra for them because they are after all, unnecessary to complete the game.

Is everyone ok with that?

...And this is what we like to call a Slippery Slope.

To put it simply, this entire post up here?

Is crap.

This is always the fallback argument: "But if this feature is optional, isn't this feature also optional?  What about this one?"

When you defend 'optional' content (that is actual content, not just weapon and character skins) that is released for a price on Day One simply because of the fact that it's 'optional', you're telling the Publishers/Developers that it's ok to start removing some of the things I mentioned above and charge you  extra for them because they are after all, unnecessary to complete the game. 

To put it simply, this argument falls completely flat.  Why?  Because those other features you mentioned?  Aren't optional.  They are core features.  You're fabricating a possible what-if scenario in an attempt to make the situation appear worse.  It's true, there's a possibilty (though infintessimally small) that a company could decide to chop a game up like that.  But it hasn't happened yet.  Hasn't happened ever in the history of Bioware.  And to say that we're "okay" with it implies they're doing something wrong.

If the anti Day-1 folks want to make an argument, do so without the slippery slope of "If you let them do this they WILL do this" or the "It's like buying a car with no wheels".  None of those two examples fit, and you know it.  It doesn't help your case.