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[CommanderCoffee]

DOZAH wrote...

dirty console peasants are dirty. nosce te ipsum. accept it, embrace it, move on.

Res judicata hoc est bellum utraque unum fettucini ravioli firenze linguini requiescat in pace parmigianno.

You're just trying to spread discontent. Let's just drop any idea of any console/PC inferiority/superiority. This isn't the place for such a discussion.

[CommanderCoffee]

tez19 wrote...

BIOWARE IN STEEP DECLINE!

DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE.

[BTCentral]

Xellana wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Then you'd have the CE owners up in arms.  Bioware puts themselves in a lose-lose situation.

yep. 100% agreement there. Bioware/EA really put themselves in an awkward spot.
And I guess they are not happy with the situation at the moment but they can´t do anything about it now.

EA have already said ME3 pre-orders have exceeded expectations and as an added bonus (for them/EA's investors) they're likely going to make a ton of extra money on day one due to this DLC. Why would they not be happy?

You know the old saying there is "no such thing as bad publicity"?

Seems to be true, I know various people only heard of ME3 because of seeing the outrage caused by the DLC posted on some gaming sites, who then ended up playing the demo to see what all the fuss was about and after that proceeded to pre-order the game.

I'm not saying it's right, just that they may well not be as unhappy as you think.

Modifié par BTCentral, 27 février 2012 - 09:55 .

[MissOuJ]

DOZAH wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...


BTW, how's the view?

It's nice.  I put myself here after I saw what was becoming of Microsoft and Sony's efforts to be more like Wii.  Never going back.

I might have said it harshly, but most of the meanings I conveyed would be freely admitted to by most console gamers.  That's why they play on consoles, because it's easier and they don't have to think.  That's the consoles only real advantage

Because it's not like console gaming is cheaper, or that some people might have some more pressing uses for their PC than gaming (such as, you know, work) and cannot keep two PC's updated for different purposes, it's not like console gaming is more accessible, more comfortable... all excuses, lemme tell you!

DOZAH wrote...
call me elitist

Nah, I think I'm gonna call you a troll instead.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 27 février 2012 - 10:01 .

[DOZAH]

Syrellaris wrote...

Actually, DLC has been done long before that on the PC. back then it was either done in expansion packs or small updates. DLC is just a new name tied to it, due to the heavy embrace of Broadband connections, simplifying downloading.

DLC and expansion packs are so far removed from each other that it's actually hard for me to respond to this logically because of the sheer obtuseness one would have to succumb to just to make a statement like that. A $20 or $30 dollar expansion that added as much new content as was in the original game in some cases compared to a $10 tidbit that can be run through in less than 2 hours. Really, I was hoping people would know better than to attempt making that comparison directly. I feel this wasn't something I should have had to explain.

[Xellana]

BTCentral wrote...

Xellana wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Then you'd have the CE owners up in arms.  Bioware puts themselves in a lose-lose situation.

yep. 100% agreement there. Bioware/EA really put themselves in an awkward spot.
And I guess they are not happy with the situation at the moment but they can´t do anything about it now.

EA have already said ME3 pre-orders have exceeded expectations and as an added bonus (for them/EA's investors) they're likely going to make a ton of extra money on day one due to this DLC. Why would they not be happy?

You know the old saying there is "no such thing as bad publicity"?

Seems to be true, I know various people only heard of ME3 because of seeing the outrage caused by the DLC posted on some gaming sites, who then ended up playing the demo to see what all the fuss was about and after that proceeded to pre-order the game.

I'm not saying it's right, just that they may well not be as unhappy as you think.

you´re right, that´s pure speculation on my part. I think there may be enough people "boycotting" the game to not make this day1 dlc extremly profitable. But who knows how many did just hear about the game thoughout this outrage, as you said.
Pure speculation and even after the game is released and we see the sale numbers, it´s nearly impossible to really isolate the effect of the decision to release a day1 dlc.

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

[DOZAH]

MissOuJ wrote...

Nah, I think I'm gonna call you a troll instead.

If i was a troll I wouldn't be here making my voice heard.  I'd just do my dirty deed in silence and no one would be the wiser. 

I am a previous fan of Bioware that cannot appreciate their current actions and as such I am one pissed-off ex-consumer.

I'm not here to rile anyone up personally, or start any feuds.  I shouldn't have posted after my first, probably, but that's hindsight.  I posted here on the outside chance someone from Bioware would read it, consider my words, and then maybe take some stepts to restore their damaged integrity before the bullet leaves the gun.  You can't re-aim after you've taken the shot.

[Darth Kraken]

Where's my video?

[AlanC9]

DOZAH wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

So "console gamer" doesn't have anything do to with actually being a console gamer? Why on earth do you want to define "console gamer" the way you're defining it? Words have meanings, you know.

As for unannounced price hike, nonsense. We've known there was going to be a DLC character and mission for months.

That leaves pricing. I simply don't care how the money that console gamers pay (actual console gamers, that is) is divided up between EA and the console manufacturers. I'm going to pay my $60 or so to Amazon; how they divide that money with EA isn't my concern either. If I did care, I might be more likely to go digital download, but I don't care.

A console gamer has lower standards.  They don't get the best quality experience.  They don't care if they get nickled and dimed to death from Microsoft and Sony.  They are willing to tolerate more degradating treatment because they simply aren't aware of it.  That is the nature of consoles, to not think, to not know, to not care, to just put in the disc and play.  A console is a toy.

A PC is like a companion.  A PC owner cares about what programs are running on their machine, how much memory they will use, and what resources are allocated where.  We have to be aware of a multitude of factors that never occur in the console space; incompatibilites, system requirements, etc.  We HAVE to care because if we don't most of the times our games won't even work.  We want and we've paid for the requirements to have the absolute best possible experience and not to have to deal with shady companies who want to dole out content piecemeal.

Your attitude of nonchalance clearly indicated which group you belong to.

So you're pushing a really silly analogy based on inaccurate information? Yeah, I figured it had to be something like that.

I'm nonchalant precisely because I do know what is going on. I know what I'm getting in my SE, and what I could also get if I cared enough to buy the DD edition or the DLC. I don't and I'm not.

[H1natachan]

DOZAH wrote...


A console gamer has lower standards.  They don't get the best quality experience.  They don't care if they get nickled and dimed to death from Microsoft and Sony.  They are willing to tolerate more degradating treatment because they simply aren't aware of it.  That is the nature of consoles, to not think, to not know, to not care, to just put in the disc and play.  A console is a toy.

I'm a console gamer ( 360 in fact ) and i'm a little offended by the above remarks, speaking for myself i dont put up with crap and i dont tolerate shoddy games and above all, i can think for myself. Which is why i dislike BW's current marketing strategy. Yes i was fooled last year by the D.A.2 hype, so i'm naturally more cynical towards BW. Please dont turn this thread into a pc vs console flamefest.

[MissOuJ]

Xellana wrote...

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

That's probably the wisest move. I admit I'm curious, but I can't really phanthom how a single character of an already (all but) extinct race could be so very important to the plot as people have prophecised here. It could be just nothing - and not really even worth $10 - or it could be really awesome, in which case it really was a **** move to make him Day-1 DLC. Most likely it's something between the two.

Kasumi is pretty awesome, and having her in the party is a blast since she has some funny dialogue, but she isn't really that important, when you think about it. I have a feeling this situation is pretty much the same.

[addiction21]

Yes BioWares standards have fallen so low recently...

http://en.wikipedia....Premium_modules 2004

Just saying they have been putting out DLC before the term DLC was a term.

[TheLostGenius]

All I'm gonna say: The Xbox 360 ruined gaming with DLC schemes, and "premium content".

[CommanderCoffee]

TheLostGenius wrote...

All I'm gonna say: The Xbox 360 ruined gaming with DLC schemes, and "premium content".

Yeah, gaming is so ruined. It didn't make $60 billion in 2009 and is continuing to grow as time goes on.

[MissOuJ]

DOZAH wrote...

You can't re-aim after you've taken the shot.

That is why you check your d@mn target! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a d@mn firing solution! That is why, serviseman Chung, we do not "eyeball" it!

...

You're not a cowboy shooting from the hip!

Translation: maybe it'd be good to take a moment and think what you're about to post, then?

Modifié par MissOuJ, 27 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[obie191970]

MissOuJ wrote...
That is why you check your d@mn target! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a d@mn firing solution! That is why, serviseman Chung, we do not "eyeball" it!

...

You're not a cowboy, shooting from the hip!

That means Sit Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space!!!!

[BTCentral]

Xellana wrote...

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

I think that's a very sensible stance to take personally, the way some people are reacting here it almost seems like they feel they are being forced to buy the DLC on day one, just because it will be available then.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm planning on multiple playthroughs. I may even play without the DLC the first time round, just to see how it effects it the second (or vice versa).

Modifié par BTCentral, 27 février 2012 - 10:21 .

[Seishoujyo]

DOZAH wrote...

dirty console peasants are dirty. nosce te ipsum. accept it, embrace it, move on.

DLC itself is a console invention.  Only putting the blame where it lies, yes?

Screw you troll, be happy you can play ME on PC, because it was Xbox 360 only at first.

Bioware should never had released ME on PC, just because of fuc... like you.

Modifié par Seishoujyo, 27 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[MissOuJ]

obie191970 wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...
That is why you check your d@mn target! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a d@mn firing solution! That is why, serviseman Chung, we do not "eyeball" it!

...

You're not a cowboy, shooting from the hip!

That means Sit Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-**** in space!!!!

He is indeed!

[Evercrow]

BTCentral wrote...

Xellana wrote...

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

I think that's a very sensible stance to take personally, the way some people are reacting here it almost seems like they feel they are being forced to buy the DLC on day one, just because it will be available then.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm planning on multiple playthroughs. I may even play without the DLC the first time round, just to see how it effects it the second (or vice versa).

And what you guys will do with next bioware game?Pre-order it or wait for reviews after release and pre-launch hype to go down a bit? I'm asking,because I'm in the similar stance,just wondering if preordering something besides CE really worth it

[obie191970]

Evercrow wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Xellana wrote...

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

I think that's a very sensible stance to take personally, the way some people are reacting here it almost seems like they feel they are being forced to buy the DLC on day one, just because it will be available then.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm planning on multiple playthroughs. I may even play without the DLC the first time round, just to see how it effects it the second (or vice versa).

And what you guys will do with next bioware game?Pre-order it or wait for reviews after release and pre-launch hype to go down a bit? I'm asking,because I'm in the similar stance,just wondering if preordering something besides CE really worth it

For me, it entirely depends upon what the game is.  Cances are it'll be DA3, in which case I'll wait to see if it's somewhat closer to what DAO was.

Modifié par obie191970, 27 février 2012 - 10:29 .

[Devian]

If you have a problem with the DLC then just wait until the game will have a golden edition ,then you have all the released DLC for a lower price then the current SE.
There is only one issue, you have to be a very patient fan of the ME games.
Unfortunately I'm not a patient fan, so can't wait untill I can play ME 3 "without the day one DLC".

[Evercrow]

obie191970 wrote...

For me, it entirely depends upon what the game is.

I would assume , Dragon Age 3

[obie191970]

Evercrow wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

For me, it entirely depends upon what the game is.

I would assume , Dragon Age 3

Yeah, I edited above.  If it's closer to DAO than DA2, then I'd probably pre-order.  If it's more DA2, I'd wait.

[Evercrow]

obie191970 wrote...


Yeah, I edited above.  If it's closer to DAO than DA2, then I'd probably pre-order.  If it's more DA2, I'd wait.

Problem is, you don't have a way to know for sure. Guess we'll have to keep an eye out for leaks, but i doubt i won't miss it again. And it is hard to tell if there are problems story-wise(DA2),until someone actually plays a significant part of the game.