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[BTCentral]

Evercrow wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

I think that's a very sensible stance to take personally, the way some people are reacting here it almost seems like they feel they are being forced to buy the DLC on day one, just because it will be available then.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm planning on multiple playthroughs. I may even play without the DLC the first time round, just to see how it effects it the second (or vice versa).

And what you guys will do with next bioware game?Pre-order it or wait for reviews after release and pre-launch hype to go down a bit? I'm asking,because I'm in the similar stance,just wondering if preordering something besides CE really worth it

Well, personally I was disapointed with DA2 - it was only an average game in my opinion and certianly not what I had come to expect from BioWare. So unless they offer some fantastic pre-order incentive for DA3 I'll more than likely wait and see what reviews etc. say before even considering purchasing it.

I really enjoyed ME2 and purchased all the DLC for it. As DA2 was an average game I did not buy any DLC for it, because I had lost interest in the game after a second playthrough.

The quality of a game effects my decision for future game purchases (generally in the series), if I will get the DLC for it, etc.

Edit: I guess there's the option of pre-ordering from a retailer that does not charge until dispatch and cancelling it if the reviews are bad too.

Modifié par BTCentral, 27 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[AlanC9]

Devian wrote...

If you have a problem with the DLC then just wait until the game will have a golden edition ,then you have all the released DLC for a lower price then the current SE.

Might have to wait a long time for that.

[BTCentral]

AlanC9 wrote...

Devian wrote...

If you have a problem with the DLC then just wait until the game will have a golden edition ,then you have all the released DLC for a lower price then the current SE.

Might have to wait a long time for that.

Especially considering ME2 doesn't even have one yet - ME2 is now over 2 years old.

Modifié par BTCentral, 27 février 2012 - 10:44 .

[DOZAH]

MissOuJ wrote...

That is why you check your d@mn target! That is why you wait for the computer to give you a d@mn firing solution! That is why, serviseman Chung, we do not "eyeball" it!

...

You're not a cowboy shooting from the hip!


Translation: maybe it'd be good to take a moment and think what you're about to post, then?

LoL.  I stand by my statements.  I do, though, apologize for starting the PC vs. Console analogy.  It's still my opinion DLC couldn't have existed in the PC space, as DLC is essentially first-party produced mods.  Extra characters, alternate skins, new quests.  Expansive content like entire chunks of game obviously isn't under that category, which is why they're called 'expansions' and not 'content'.

Maybe it's only me that feels the tangible difference between console ownership and PC ownership.  I can tell you that when my console would break down I would get angry, but whenever my computer has issues I mostly just feel sad.  There's an actual sense of loss, whereas with console it's mainly "why won't this piece of crap work?!" 

Anyways, it is largely irrelavant and I apologize again for bringing it up.  Yes, it was originally intended to be derogatory but the fact of the matter is the day 1 DLC affects everybody.  However, I don't feel that I would have quite the same feelings of resentment towards it were I still a console gamer still used to paying for tiny pieces of content that could have been user-created and given away.  

The Origin-only requirement is just as large a part of my decision to not support Bioware as the DLC is, if not more.  Knowing that I'm buying the game directly from the people who are making it, and they still don't believe they are extracting enough payment from me even though they earn 100% of the profits, and they charge me an extra couple of dollars mainly just because they can get away with it because of the type of people who roll over an accept that kind of obvious manipulation.  I'm not going to be one of those people.  In my opinion, the terms and conditions EA wants to sell Mass Effect 3 to me are more reprehensible than theft.  It is essentially theft, you see, except one is the rich stealing from the poor while the other is the poor stealing from the rich.  I don't need to justify anything to myself to know which side of that line I'll stand on.   

[blasto lives]

obie191970 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

That´s the point of those who argue against it. If it happens to be ready by the time of launch it should be included in the game if I pay the standard of a full price game.

Then you'd have the CE owners up in arms.  Bioware puts themselves in a lose-lose situation.

Bioware has already done this.  Twice.  Both the Stone Prisoner (DAO) and the Cerberus Network Card (ME2) were briefly thought to be Collector's Edition exclusives.  The trick was the content only said bonus, not "exclusive".  Silly me for thinking that Bioware would be consistent this time around.

[Xellana]

Evercrow wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

Xellana wrote...

I myself will enjoy my preordered SE and will wait with the dlc until i hear if it´s worth it or not

I think that's a very sensible stance to take personally, the way some people are reacting here it almost seems like they feel they are being forced to buy the DLC on day one, just because it will be available then.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm planning on multiple playthroughs. I may even play without the DLC the first time round, just to see how it effects it the second (or vice versa).

And what you guys will do with next bioware game?Pre-order it or wait for reviews after release and pre-launch hype to go down a bit? I'm asking,because I'm in the similar stance,just wondering if preordering something besides CE really worth it

I almost never pre-order games so I would definitly wait. But Mass Effect has a very special place in my games shelf

[AlanC9]

DOZAH wrote...
 It's still my opinion DLC couldn't have existed in the PC space, as DLC is essentially first-party produced mods.  Extra characters, alternate skins, new quests.  Expansive content like entire chunks of game obviously isn't under that category, which is why they're called 'expansions' and not 'content'.

Hmm....Of the DA:O DLCs, Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song are standalones, while Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt are short adventures featuring your Warden but not integrated into the main campaigns. Are these DLCs within your definition?

Note that if these things do count as DLCs, then NWN1 Premium Mods count as DLCs too, and the notion that DLCs wouldn't have worked in the PC space falls apart. Also note that during the NWN1 premium program there were many, many requests for Bio to make new paid content for integration into the existing campaigns; Bio staff said this was technologically unfeasible because of NWN1's design.

The Origin-only requirement is just as large a part of my decision to not support Bioware as the DLC is, if not more.  Knowing that I'm buying the game directly from the people who are making it, and they still don't believe they are extracting enough payment from me even though they earn 100% of the profits, and they charge me an extra couple of dollars mainly just because they can get away with it because of the type of people who roll over an accept that kind of obvious manipulation.

I'm not quite following this paragraph. How is Origin causing you to be charged a couple dollars more?

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2012 - 11:06 .

[wrdnshprd]

blasto lives wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

That´s the point of those who argue against it. If it happens to be ready by the time of launch it should be included in the game if I pay the standard of a full price game.

Then you'd have the CE owners up in arms.  Bioware puts themselves in a lose-lose situation.

Bioware has already done this.  Twice.  Both the Stone Prisoner (DAO) and the Cerberus Network Card (ME2) were briefly thought to be Collector's Edition exclusives.  The trick was the content only said bonus, not "exclusive".  Silly me for thinking that Bioware would be consistent this time around.

actually, in both those cases, if you bought ANY version, standard or CE, you got access to those items at no extra charge.. i think the DLC you are looking for is warden's keep.  my understanding is that was exclusive to CEs, and paid DLC to standard edition owners.

[blasto lives]

wrdnshprd wrote...

actually, in both those cases, if you bought ANY version, standard or CE, you got access to those items at no extra charge.. i think the DLC you are looking for is warden's keep.  my understanding is that was exclusive to CEs, and paid DLC to standard edition owners.

Your statement is true.  I was trying to point out that in both of those cases, Shale and Cerberus, the content was originally thought to be exclusively part of the collectors edition but later revealed to be part of any new version.

Modifié par blasto lives, 27 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[Hardwired]

AlanC9 wrote...

DOZAH wrote...
 It's still my opinion DLC couldn't have existed in the PC space, as DLC is essentially first-party produced mods.  Extra characters, alternate skins, new quests.  Expansive content like entire chunks of game obviously isn't under that category, which is why they're called 'expansions' and not 'content'.

Hmm....Of the DA:O DLCs, Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song are standalones, while Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt are short adventures featuring your Warden but not integrated into the main campaigns. Are these DLCs within your definition?

Note that if these things do count as DLCs, then NWN1 Premium Mods count as DLCs too, and the notion that DLCs wouldn't have worked in the PC space falls apart. Also note that during the NWN1 premium program there were many, many requests for Bio to make new paid content for integration into the existing campaigns; Bio staff said this was technologically unfeasible because of NWN1's design.

The Origin-only requirement is just as large a part of my decision to not support Bioware as the DLC is, if not more.  Knowing that I'm buying the game directly from the people who are making it, and they still don't believe they are extracting enough payment from me even though they earn 100% of the profits, and they charge me an extra couple of dollars mainly just because they can get away with it because of the type of people who roll over an accept that kind of obvious manipulation.

I'm not quite following this paragraph. How is Origin causing you to be charged a couple dollars more?

I think he means that pretty much anything sold on Origin is more expensive there than it would be in any other shop. Even though it's a purely digital copy.

At least thats the case where I live.

[Voronwer]

I'm kind of confused how this DLC is not supposedly part of the main game, but it's actually content from the CE being made available for people to buy as they couldn't get their hands on a CE. Maybe it's just me, but that kind of sounds like a contradiction right there.

I don't think it's entitlement that when I buy a game, I expect to get the full product. Knowing that from day one, I will already be missing content is disheartening. Yes, I can buy it if I find it that bad, but DLCs rub me wrong and so I make it a principle not to buy them. I admit, with DA:O, I ended up buying the expansion and then in the end the Ultimate Edition because it was just that good. I wouldn't mind paying extra for a good game if that gave me automatic access to all DLCs, that could be actually kind of cool, but even people who now pay a lot of money from the CE know beforehand that in the long run, they'll still have to cash out again for the full game.

I don't like this way of working. I don't like where this trend is heading when what sounds like significant content available on day one is already withheld from most people. Unless you pay $10 and then another $10 for the next one and the next one... This is what I get, I suppose, for wanting to play games when they're released. Something I'll soon be revising, I suspect.

I'm happy to pay for my games. I'm happy to support developers who bring out good games and great story telling, but I'm not happy to buy a product and know that it will be 'lacking' from day one. I don't care about the extra weapons or armour or whatever (though I roll my eyes at the amount of extras out there for ME3 to sell the game, merchandise etc), but actual content and companions? Yeah, that kind of blows and I can't even say I expected better because I've been losing faith in Bioware since they released DA2. Badly done, Bioware or EA (does it matter at this point?).

[tez19]

I love seeing all the Biodrones bending over and taking it like a good'un, hand over your money you dribbling sheep and do as you're told. Bend over Biodrones, here comes the probe.

Modifié par tez19, 27 février 2012 - 11:18 .

[AlanC9]

Hardwired wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DOZAH wrote...
The Origin-only requirement is just as large a part of my decision to not support Bioware as the DLC is, if not more.  Knowing that I'm buying the game directly from the people who are making it, and they still don't believe they are extracting enough payment from me even though they earn 100% of the profits, and they charge me an extra couple of dollars mainly just because they can get away with it because of the type of people who roll over an accept that kind of obvious manipulation.

I'm not quite following this paragraph. How is Origin causing you to be charged a couple dollars more?

I think he means that pretty much anything sold on Origin is more expensive there than it would be in any other shop. Even though it's a purely digital copy.

At least thats the case where I live.

Well, yeah, but you can buy in a shop and then install , even if installing ME3 means you've got to install Origin too.

[Reluctant-Hero]

Just to be sure, "From Ashes" will be available to be purchased on the XBL marketplace, right? It is not exclusively sold through Gamestop, right?

[Mike Shepard]

hehe, this thread is back to fighting it seems. Back around page 395-405 it was a friendly dialogue. looks like it's back to square one

[AlanC9]

tez19 wrote...

I love seeing all the Biodrones bending over and taking it like a good'un, hand over your money you dribbling sheep and do as your told. Bend over Biodrones, here comes the probe.

You cruising for another ban, tez?

And like I've always said, I ain't buying this DLC. Are you?

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2012 - 11:22 .

[tez19]

Mike Shepard wrote...

hehe, this thread is back to fighting it seems. Back around page 395-405 it was a friendly dialogue. looks like it's back to square one

I fight for the men I've held in my arms, dying on foreign soil! I fight for their wives and children, whose names I heard whispered in their last breath...I fight so that all the fighting I've already done hasn't been for nothing! I fight... because I must.

[DOZAH]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hmm....Of the DA:O DLCs, Darkspawn Chronicles and Leliana's Song are standalones, while Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt are short adventures featuring your Warden but not integrated into the main campaigns. Are these DLCs within your definition?

Note that if these things do count as DLCs, then NWN1 Premium Mods count as DLCs too, and the notion that DLCs wouldn't have worked in the PC space falls apart. Also note that during the NWN1 premium program there were many, many requests for Bio to make new paid content for integration into the existing campaigns; Bio staff said this was technologically unfeasible because of NWN1's design.

I'm not quite following this paragraph. How is Origin causing you to be charged a couple dollars more?

I'm not that familiar with the Dragon Age Origins DLC that wasn't given away to people who bought the game new.  I have the icon under my portait because I bought the 'deluxe final gold editor's cut complete DA:O' or whatever it was called but since I played the game 5 or 6 times through on 360 I haven't played the PC version much at all yet.  So I have no idea what you're referring to.  Apparently the version of DA:O you've played was more complete than the version I've played.  

I read about the premium modules off the wiki and some of them were stated to be 20 hours of content.  That's a far cry from 'that'll be 400 points for an N7 casual hoodie, sir'. 

Origin is EA.  EA is causing this whole debacle.  Look here:
http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=2566850 for the post signed 'Curt'.  This is the founder/chairman of the company saying that he had no choice in how, when, and where the content his studio created was sold.  His exact words are something like "if it were up to us, we would have not had day 1 DLC."  Obviously then, the decision was made by the publishers, and I see no reason to believe that isn't the case here.

When a monopoly is formed and customers have no alternative methods to legally obtain the monopolized product, the company that owns the monopoly is free to set price rates however high they wish.  A content complete Mass Effect 3 is now $70 on launch, for a PC title that pays no liscensing or distribution fees.  If you don't see a problem with that, I can't make you.  I am not the divine here to give sight to the blind.  This is an obvious injustice though, and from past history I feel confident stating that there is actually no limit to the depravity EA will sink to in order to gain the advantage over it's competitors, it's consumers, and all else.  If we, the consumers don't resist and let them know what they're doing is not ok, they will continue to worsen the conditions under which we must suffer in order to legally use their products.  I get to stand back and watch as careless people heedlessly support this move and look forward to suffering their consequences personally in the continuined worsening of the buyer-seller agreements currently taking place in this industry.  Joy.

At least I did not do so in silence.

[CommanderCoffee]

tez19 wrote...

I love seeing all the Biodrones bending over and taking it like a good'un, hand over your money you dribbling sheep and do as you're told. Bend over Biodrones, here comes the probe.

A fool's happiness is greater than an intellect's depression.

[Hardwired]

AlanC9 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DOZAH wrote...
The Origin-only requirement is just as large a part of my decision to not support Bioware as the DLC is, if not more.  Knowing that I'm buying the game directly from the people who are making it, and they still don't believe they are extracting enough payment from me even though they earn 100% of the profits, and they charge me an extra couple of dollars mainly just because they can get away with it because of the type of people who roll over an accept that kind of obvious manipulation.

I'm not quite following this paragraph. How is Origin causing you to be charged a couple dollars more?

I think he means that pretty much anything sold on Origin is more expensive there than it would be in any other shop. Even though it's a purely digital copy.

At least thats the case where I live.

Well, yeah, but you can buy in a shop and then install , even if installing ME3 means you've got to install Origin too.

Yeah.

But I do wonder how they thought up the prices if there are no real middlemen with ORigin.

[MarchWaltz]

My buddy said he was told that FROM ASHES is only available by pre-order only. I am 99.99% sure this is not the case, but want to make sure, my buddy can d-load it from XBL right? I mean, I know it will be, but I guess I just want to cross my T's

I told him it will be, I just want to be at 100% Ugh, I know it is, because of the leak, but still, someone give me some backup!

[CommanderCoffee]

MarchWaltz wrote...

My buddy said he was told that FROM ASHES is only available by pre-order only. I am 99.99% sure this is not the case, but want to make sure, my buddy can d-load it from XBL right? I mean, I know it will be, but I guess I just want to cross my T's

I told him it will be, I just want to be at 100% Ugh, I know it is, because of the leak, but still, someone give me some backup!

From Ashes is launch availability. Your bud is talking out his gas chamber.

[Moro200]

I don't need to buy the DLC. I will get it in the CE.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Either way Bioware has dropped the ball here. Either :

A)A living Prothean gets the Zaeed treatment and is basically worthless. That would be a very sad turn of events considering how important he would be to the lore and backstory.

B)He is just as important as a lot of people think and Bioware is fleecing the most loyal of it's fans for extra cash on launch day.

I don't fancy either of those options.

[tez19]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Either way Bioware has dropped the ball here. Either :

A)A living Prothean gets the Zaeed treatment and is basically worthless. That would be a very sad turn of events considering how important he would be to the lore and backstory.

B)He is just as important as a lot of people think and Bioware is fleecing the most loyal of it's fans for extra cash on launch day.

I don't fancy either of those options.

I think the most likely scenario is option B. BIOWARE IN DECLINE. MORALLY CORRUPT.