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[CommanderCoffee]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...



Why do I need to explain that? Can you explain the theory of relativity to me? How about why the dinosaurs are extinct? What's up with Ashton and Demi?

I didn't buy Fallout: NV and know nothing about what content was removed from the game and sold later as DLC. I'm not even sure why this question is relevant and directed at me.

Well, you said:

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

DLC is great for new content that extends the life of a game, not for stuff that didn't make the cut in the first place. 

The Fallout: New Vegas DLC was pretty much entirely cut content that was added to the game later. It ended up being excellent content, but that goes against your comment that DLC isn't for stuff that didn't make it into the game. 

Simply put, you made a really bad generalization, especially now that you're trying to deflect it by asking questions with no relevance and trying to say I did the same. Well, my question still holds relevance. 

Why is the New Vegas DLC, which is largely cut content, inappropriate DLC?

Modifié par CommanderCoffee, 28 février 2012 - 01:14 .

[ne0x]

yeah right,bioware fanbois believe this won't be a major plot changer,well guess what,try playing batman arkham asylum without catwoman dlc,"no big deal" huh,no doubt protean will have cool powers that can make game even much easier than imba oneshot assault rifles and shotguns or imbashield space armor.As long as dlc is not faster then month when game is realeased it's ok,but dlc on launch are greedy bull****,look at cd project witcher 2,they made all Dlc for free+made dark mode for free+are going to give 4 hrs dlc for free,so far it was my best game investment for pc.If u wanna make money add Wrex party member dlc,all fanboi will buy it anyway(coolest char ever),and u won't rob ppl of main interesting race.

Modifié par ne0x, 28 février 2012 - 01:23 .

[scoobadude]

Unender wrote...

I'm confused as to how a single Prothean managed to survive 50k+ years... Hopefully it doesn't screw up the lore of the ME universe to have the from ashes DLC...

My guess (like many others) would probably be something like the stasis pods from ME1.

[CommanderCoffee]

ne0x wrote...

yeah right,bioware fanbois believe this won't be a major plot changer,well guess what,try playing batman arkham asylum without catwoman dlc,"no big deal" huh,no doubt protean will have cool powers that can make game even much easier than imba oneshot assault rifles and shotguns or imbashield space armor.As long as dlc is not faster then month when game is realeased it's ok,but dlc on launch are greedy bull****,look at cd project witcher 2,they made all Dlc for free+made dark mode for free+are going to give 4 hrs dlc for free,so far it was my best game investment for pc.If u wanna make money add Wrex party member dlc,all fanboi will buy it anyway(coolest char ever),and u won't rob ppl of main interesting race.

This isn't a major plot changer, though. The Prothean is a soldier. He didn't know about anything the scientists and engineers that are a major part of the plot were doing. This is like saying because they fought in the same war, some private in Europe knew what Robert Oppenheimer was doing.

[NeecHMonkeY]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...



Why do I need to explain that? Can you explain the theory of relativity to me? How about why the dinosaurs are extinct? What's up with Ashton and Demi?

I didn't buy Fallout: NV and know nothing about what content was removed from the game and sold later as DLC. I'm not even sure why this question is relevant and directed at me.

Well, you said:

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

DLC is great for new content that extends the life of a game, not for stuff that didn't make the cut in the first place. 

The Fallout: New Vegas DLC was pretty much entirely cut content that was added to the game later. It ended up being excellent content, but that goes against your comment that DLC isn't for stuff that didn't make it into the game. 

Simply put, you made a really bad generalization, especially now that you're trying to deflect it by asking questions with no relevance and trying to say I did the same. Well, my question still holds relevance. 

Why is the New Vegas DLC, which is largely cut content, inappropriate DLC?

Again, you're asking me questions that have no relevance to me expecting that it will change my views on DLC... it won't.

I think DLC should be for expansive content like we saw in GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption or for Multiplayer add-ons - things that really extend the life of the game and not just give an hour here or there.

Shouldn't you be asking why the content was cut from Fallout: NV if it was so good? So good that it was later sold to you at an additional cost.

[CommanderCoffee]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...



Why do I need to explain that? Can you explain the theory of relativity to me? How about why the dinosaurs are extinct? What's up with Ashton and Demi?

I didn't buy Fallout: NV and know nothing about what content was removed from the game and sold later as DLC. I'm not even sure why this question is relevant and directed at me.

Well, you said:

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

DLC is great for new content that extends the life of a game, not for stuff that didn't make the cut in the first place. 

The Fallout: New Vegas DLC was pretty much entirely cut content that was added to the game later. It ended up being excellent content, but that goes against your comment that DLC isn't for stuff that didn't make it into the game. 

Simply put, you made a really bad generalization, especially now that you're trying to deflect it by asking questions with no relevance and trying to say I did the same. Well, my question still holds relevance. 

Why is the New Vegas DLC, which is largely cut content, inappropriate DLC?

Again, you're asking me questions that have no relevance to me expecting that it will change my views on DLC... it won't.

I think DLC should be for expansive content like we saw in GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption or for Multiplayer add-ons - things that really extend the life of the game and not just give an hour here or there.

Shouldn't you be asking why the content was cut from Fallout: NV if it was so good? So good that it was later sold to you at an additional cost.

You're going back on yourself. You said DLC shouldn't be cut content, and now you're saying my question of why FNV's cut-content DLC is inappropriate has nothing to do with the topic.

Frankly, I'm not going to ask why the cut content was good, and therefore should be in the base game. There's something called deadlines. Things need to be cut sometimes to make the deadlines, like how the Prothean was cut about 8 months ago. Frankly, I find it great that DLC exists Allows developers to add in things that they might never have the chance to add.

That's what nobody understands in this entire thread. Deadlines and cut content being converted and offered.

[BaronIveagh]

CommanderCoffee wrote...
This isn't a major plot changer, though. The Prothean is a soldier. He didn't know about anything the scientists and engineers that are a major part of the plot were doing. This is like saying because they fought in the same war, some private in Europe knew what Robert Oppenheimer was doing.

Actually, he'd be more relivent to the story as a soldier, as he would be more likely to have first hand knowlege of Reaper tactics on a large scale during a full on invasion, which not even Shepard has, in all honesty. 

[CommanderCoffee]

BaronIveagh wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...
This isn't a major plot changer, though. The Prothean is a soldier. He didn't know about anything the scientists and engineers that are a major part of the plot were doing. This is like saying because they fought in the same war, some private in Europe knew what Robert Oppenheimer was doing.

Actually, he'd be more relivent to the story as a soldier, as he would be more likely to have first hand knowlege of Reaper tactics on a large scale during a full on invasion, which not even Shepard has, in all honesty. 

And there's a better argument. Instead of just flat-out "HE'S A PROTHEAN OF COURSE HE'S IMPORTANT", we've got a, "He was around last cycle, he survived, he should know the proper tactics". Very nice. I applaud you greatly. 

[NeecHMonkeY]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...



Why do I need to explain that? Can you explain the theory of relativity to me? How about why the dinosaurs are extinct? What's up with Ashton and Demi?

I didn't buy Fallout: NV and know nothing about what content was removed from the game and sold later as DLC. I'm not even sure why this question is relevant and directed at me.

Well, you said:

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

DLC is great for new content that extends the life of a game, not for stuff that didn't make the cut in the first place. 

The Fallout: New Vegas DLC was pretty much entirely cut content that was added to the game later. It ended up being excellent content, but that goes against your comment that DLC isn't for stuff that didn't make it into the game. 

Simply put, you made a really bad generalization, especially now that you're trying to deflect it by asking questions with no relevance and trying to say I did the same. Well, my question still holds relevance. 

Why is the New Vegas DLC, which is largely cut content, inappropriate DLC?

Again, you're asking me questions that have no relevance to me expecting that it will change my views on DLC... it won't.

I think DLC should be for expansive content like we saw in GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption or for Multiplayer add-ons - things that really extend the life of the game and not just give an hour here or there.

Shouldn't you be asking why the content was cut from Fallout: NV if it was so good? So good that it was later sold to you at an additional cost.

You're going back on yourself. You said DLC shouldn't be cut content, and now you're saying my question of why FNV's cut-content DLC is inappropriate has nothing to do with the topic.

Frankly, I'm not going to ask why the cut content was good, and therefore should be in the base game. There's something called deadlines. Things need to be cut sometimes to make the deadlines, like how the Prothean was cut about 8 months ago. Frankly, I find it great that DLC exists Allows developers to add in things that they might never have the chance to add.

That's what nobody understands in this entire thread. Deadlines and cut content being converted and offered.

Supporting my own argument is going back on myself?

I'll start typing a little slower so you can understand this, ok?

Yes, I believe that cut content is bad DLC. If it's cut and the game works without it, why do we need to see it?

You say the Fallout: NV DLC was cut content that is actually quite good. If that's the case, why was it removed from the game in the first place? The only reason I can see that it was removed was so that it could be sold at a later date for an additional price. If it was just a case that they didn't finish it in time before the release of the full game, they could have delayed the game for a couple of months or released the content free of charge.

People get a little upset when a game is delayed but most are happy to know that the game is getting extra attention and not being released unfinished - always a preferable situation.

[AlanC9]

DOZAH wrote...
You are right that the game would still be $60 without or without Origin.  Without Origin and EA, would there be day 1 DLC, and all of the other product-tie ins and bonuses and pre-order deals?  I don't think so.  These are all aspects of marketing, which is the domain of the publisher.  

Would the game still have $10 day 1 DLC if EA/Origin weren't involved.  I vociferously doubt it.

You seem to be deliberately trying to conflate EA and Origin. This is silly. EA could have done these things without Origin. DA:O had plenty of promotional content, and day 1 DLC. No Origin.

I signed on with Steam months after I bought my PC because eventually the seasonal deals were too good to resist.  If I join Origin (which I already have an account, of course, but not the client) it would be because EA forced me to use it because I had no legal alternative to play their games.

If you want to play HL2 you have to install Steam. If you want to play ME3 you have to install Origin. No difference. None at all.

I just want it to also be known that DA:2 was the result of a developer who is completely under the control of a publisher's interests.  This DLC is the result of a developer who has no control over their own content they create.  I think it's very sad, and makes me realize that I should be making these posts on an EA forum, not a Bioware one.  Fairly certain these posts would be enough to get me banned in the attempt though. 

Nothing wrong with being against EA. But your arguments don't make any sense.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 février 2012 - 01:47 .

[AlanC9]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...
If it was just a case that they didn't finish it in time before the release of the full game, they could have delayed the game for a couple of months or released the content free of charge.

"Could have" isn't the same thing as "should have." You need to actually have an argument there.

[Il Divo]

DOZAH wrote...

The bottom line is EA is abusive, and that's why it's a problem.  Portal 2 didn't release for $60 with day 1 DLC.  Valve knows that's a jerk move and would ****** off a lot of people who spend their money with them.  EA has no such concerns, clearly.  They're just browbeating their way into the market through sheer use of force without any concern for the impact on consumers.

Yeah, Valve doesn't do that. Instead they release games that are beatable within 12 hours...that includes the single-player and the co-op.

That's not to say that I don't love Valve and Portal 2, but you can spin anything to make them look like the good guys. In this case, I'm not going to give them extra credit for releasing a game that can be beaten in less than half the time of Mass Effect.

[CommanderCoffee]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...





Supporting my own argument is going back on myself?

I'll start typing a little slower so you can understand this, ok?

Yes, I believe that cut content is bad DLC. If it's cut and the game works without it, why do we need to see it?

You say the Fallout: NV DLC was cut content that is actually quite good. If that's the case, why was it removed from the game in the first place? The only reason I can see that it was removed was so that it could be sold at a later date for an additional price. If it was just a case that they didn't finish it in time before the release of the full game, they could have delayed the game for a couple of months or released the content free of charge.

People get a little upset when a game is delayed but most are happy to know that the game is getting extra attention and not being released unfinished - always a preferable situation.

I just answered why it was removed. If you had read, you would have caught it.

It was removed due to time constraints put on the developer, in this case Obsidian, by the publisher, Bethesda. 

You might say, "Oh, simply delay the game," but there's only so much money an investor will pour into a game. It's both a public side of consumer demand and an economic side of not funding something perpetually. When you do do that, you end up with games like Duke Nukem Forever, which was funded for a long time and barely went anywhere. From 1998-2009, there were, what, 4 trailers? A dozen screen shots? It had funding for all that time, and it eventually damn near killed the studio. 

So, DLC that is from cut content, hell, I approve of it. It gives the developing team a chance to flesh out the universe. DLC is not evil.

[NeecHMonkeY]

AlanC9 wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...
If it was just a case that they didn't finish it in time before the release of the full game, they could have delayed the game for a couple of months or released the content free of charge.

"Could have" isn't the same thing as "should have." You need to actually have an argument there.

It's not my place to say what they 'should have' done, only what 'could have' been done differently. It's my right as a consumer to voice the concerns I have over a product or business model and it's the company in question's perogative to listen to me as a valued customer or disregard me and continue as they were.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Oh my , I see Biodrone/Fanboy have returned.Clearly a few people are just trolling the thread now , while some folks are still being rational.March 6th/March 9th can't get here fast enough for some us CE's and including SE buyers.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 28 février 2012 - 02:16 .

[CommanderCoffee]

So anyone else notice the Prothean has, like, Samurai armor?

[breadedpudding]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

So anyone else notice the Prothean has, like, Samurai armor?

Yeah. Read somewhere that they gave his armor a samurai-like feel to envoke an almost aged quality or something. I think it's a nice touch, personally.

Edit: I can't make words right tonight. I looked up the info on the ME Wiki: 

The design of the Prothean's armor is based on that of samurai to suggest an ancient feel despite being extremely high-tech.

Modifié par breadedpudding, 28 février 2012 - 02:21 .

[ediskrad327]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

So anyone else notice the Prothean has, like, Samurai armor?

yep, looks good

[CommanderCoffee]

breadedpudding wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

So anyone else notice the Prothean has, like, Samurai armor?

Yeah. Read somewhere that they gave his armor a samurai-like feel to envoke an almost aged quality or something. I think it's a nice touch, personally.

Neat. Maybe his alternate outfit is, like, a European set of armor. Or maybe Ninja clothes.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Does the Prothean really have an Jamaican accent?

[breadedpudding]

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

Does the Prothean really have an Jamaican accent?

It's African actually. Nigerian, I believe? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[CommanderCoffee]

breadedpudding wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

Does the Prothean really have an Jamaican accent?

It's African actually. Nigerian, I believe? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

I think the actor is Kenyan.

[slyborg]

breadedpudding wrote...

Mercedes-Benz wrote...

Does the Prothean really have an Jamaican accent?

It's African actually. Nigerian, I believe? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Sounds a lot like my English speaking drum teacher from Ghana.

[RDSFirebane]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

So anyone else notice the Prothean has, like, Samurai armor?

How odd is it that the Samurai look alike armor makes him look all the more alien? lol

[ArkkAngel007]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Oh my , I see Biodrone/Fanboy have returned.Clearly a few people are just trolling the thread now , while some folks are still being rational.March 6th/March 9th can't get here fast enough for some us CE's and including SE buyers.

Why do you think I pretty much stopped replying?  People are still going to hold onto their view, no matter what, because they feel that their way is the only way, no matter if it was the case or not.

And all the debate is also on the character and how he should have been written.  Could have done the same about Liara in ME2.  This isn't and really  never was about the DLC as a whole, or even the included mission, to most people.  Just about pushing their view on why or why not this bloody character should be important so they can justify it being/not being free dlc on day 1 or being a focal point in the complete game.

That and an excuse for most on here to start flingin the biodrone/entitled insults all around.