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[AkiKishi]

_symphony wrote...

Sleek wrote...

Remember the black hole gun as pre order? That was an awsome weapon with great effects. Everyone should have been able to get that gun.

It was completely silly and defied everything we know about black holes. You don't want threads ****ing about Hawking's radiation in BSN. YOU DON'T

That thing was a TOTAL game breaker.

[ehoddes]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

grilledsquid wrote...

http://kotaku.com/58...ll-cost-you-870

*checks link*

Yup, still advertising the whole, "FIGURINES FOR OPTIONAL MP DLC WHICH IS REALLY JUST **** YOU CAN BUY IN THE GAME" as vital DLC.

Well, that's just an interpretation, more seriously, they counted both the $80 collecter edition (which includes From Ashes) and paying $10 to buy From Ashes seperately and, best of all, they counted the Collector Assault Rifle, (which you can get for a $25 art book if all you want is the DLC) eight times for $655. Apparently the unspecified multiplayer DLC for Liara and the toys is just paying to unlock items instead of earning them through play, so by their own numbers its $105 for Mass Effect 3, all the DLC, and a coffee-table book.

Modifié par ehoddes, 28 février 2012 - 10:12 .

[Evercrow]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Is it wrong that, after the game, if Prothy survives, I want to see a scene where he's crowned the Hanar Pope?

Hah, they you can go kick Javir and say: "Order them to throw themselves at Reaper optical units,we could use a distraction"
Hanars are soo doomed now...

Modifié par Evercrow, 28 février 2012 - 10:57 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

DUDE! Why has the thread slowed down? Not cool.

[Wojtek the Soldier Bear]

ehoddes

Well, that's just an interpretation, more seriously, they counted both the $80 collecter edition (which includes From Ashes) and paying $10 to buy From Ashes seperately and, best of all, they counted the Collector Assault Rifle, (which you can get for a $25 art book if all you want is the DLC) eight times for $655. Apparently the unspecified multiplayer DLC for Liara and the toys is just paying to unlock items instead of earning them through play, so by their own numbers its $105 for Mass Effect 3, all the DLC, and a coffee-table book.

Here I was, thinking I was the only one that seemed to notice that. As a budding journalist, the fact that Kotaku could publish that article in good faith caused me to die a bit on the inside. Then again, "journalistic integrity" is more a myth than it is a common practice.

As for the topic at hand, the simple fact of the matter is this: Bioware is a company. Companies have employees, and these people have to make money to provide the wonderful, immersive, emotionally engaging (sound the Dr. Ray klaxon) games we all clearly love, as we are arguing on the BSN, after all. Offering optional content at a price, Day 1 or no, is a boon to gamers first and developers second.

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Modifié par Wojtek the Soldier Bear, 28 février 2012 - 11:41 .

[Ratmandu79]

I honestly dont know why people complain about Day One DLC. in my humble opinion it seems to be a bonus. i have every piece of DLC for ME2, including the guns and everything else. most of it i bought twice after i was burgalled last year (some b****** stole my PC) and a friend gave me an Xbox 360 to save my sanity. i went out and found a good deal on Mass Effect 1 and 2 and played it from the very beginning once more, buying up all the DLC a second time just so i didnt miss anything i had done on my PC save games. i pre ordered the game about a week ago and yes im getting the digi deluxe version so i will have Prothy and if anything i just feel happy about it. i dont feel like ive been conned or anything else at the fact that if i had bought only the regular edition i wouldnt get him, i wouldve just bought him to add to the experience. EA may be the devil in most peoples eyes, but Bioware are definitely the angels sitting on the other shoulder and are worth every penny that i plumb into my mass effect series. and dont forget, boycotting anything EA does is only harming bioware in the long run. if we stop buying there games just because we dont ike the way EA do things, the Bioware employees lose there jobs and we lose one of the best games companies on the planet.

[AkiKishi]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

[nightcobra]

The way i see it between consumers and developers/publishers is not unlike an unending tug of war.
both sides want to win the advantage on this tug of war, the best deal as it were.

Sometimes one of the sides helps the other by lending some rope, if this happens on the developers/publishers side is when they want to reward the consumers by giving them a better deal for a lower/no price, if this happens on the consumers side is when the fanbase is loyal enough and willing to buy more of the products even if overpriced.

However when each side pulls the other too hard you risk disaster for both sides, if the publishers/developers side pulls too hard and the opposing side, the consumers, "lose" the developers/publishers passed the breaking point and made their customers lose faith in their business practices losing them in the process.

If it were the consumers side to pull hard enough, the developers/publishers would lose the tug of war on the account of losing money and ultimately filing for bankrupcy making them unable to create the products their fanbase loves so much.


That's at least my perspective on things and as for me personally think that right now the rope's length is longer on the developers/publishers side and as such i'll pull harder in order to try and stabilize it.
others may see it differently however and i respect that.



One poster told me about the gotham impostors DLC multiplayer cosmetic items and how they handled it:
basically there are 200$ worth of cosmetic items that can be also unlocked in-game if i'm not mistaken, the more you play the more you can get. i like that sort of approach if i'm totally honest, early access to unlockable content for people who want to experience it either for time constraints in their lives or because they want to experience it in their first playthrough.

So that got me thinking if that could work on day 1 DLC as well, like after beating ME3 on insanity mode (so the player feels like they earned the content) and the DLC code to download the content appears after the credits as this could be coded so that it only appears when you get the "insanity run" trophy/achievement (these can be earned offline so it wouldn't be necessary to be online at the time) and it would only appear once per copy so as to not be abused by used copies.

There are bound to be people that don't agree with me on this matter but i'd like to see the feedback to the idea at least.

[P3G4SU5]

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Modifié par P3G4SU5, 28 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[AkiKishi]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
One poster told me about the gotham impostors DLC multiplayer cosmetic items and how they handled it:
basically there are 200$ worth of cosmetic items that can be also unlocked in-game if i'm not mistaken, the more you play the more you can get. i like that sort of approach if i'm totally honest, early access to unlockable content for people who want to experience it either for time constraints in their lives or because they want to experience it in their first playthrough.

So that got me thinking if that could work on day 1 DLC as well, like after beating ME3 on insanity mode (so the player feels like they earned the content) and the DLC code to download the content appears after the credits as this could be coded so that it only appears when you get the "insanity run" trophy/achievement (these can be earned offline so it wouldn't be necessary to be online at the time) and it would only appear once per copy so as to not be abused by used copies.

There are bound to be people that don't agree with me on this matter but i'd like to see the feedback to the idea at least.

Bonus character/modes have been around for ages. I'd question the "sense" in an RPG , but it's preferable to downloads.

LOTRO is a MMO that does something similiar, you can pay for items or you can get points by doing things on the account and save up that way.

[MissOuJ]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it?

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

Underlined the relevant part for your convenience.

IP doesn't sell = IP doesn't get continued.

Also, and most horrifically...

Department doesn't make profit = department gets scrapped.

People at BioWare make amazing games, have cool ideas, and are generally pretty awesome people all around. The more money they bring for EA, the more funding & resources they get to realize their future ideas and turn them into awesome games I can play in the future. I like that idea.

So call it an investent for the future of the gaming industry.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[P3G4SU5]

Amikae wrote...

- The
content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core
game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game
went into certification.

Complete BS.

QFT.

Also, for anyone that cares about content that should be part of the standard game being sold as DLC:

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 28 février 2012 - 12:26 .

[WhizZzard]

So, according to people that already got the game the DLC download is 148KB big, so this isn't only a Day1 paid DLC, it's an on-disc paid Day1 DLC that people have to pay Bioware for unlocking, Awesomo!

[Vladdiez]

I just came on to give my opinion that I think this is outrageous what EA are doing here. I originally thought that "Oh it will just come with the game like Back to Karkand did with BF3" then I find out you have to buy an expensive collectors edition that no one sells or pay the extra money for the day 1 DLC separately?!

I still hadn't decided if I would be preordering this or not as I am currently replaying ME1 (then 2) on PC so I have save files for ME3 on pc (originally played 1+2 on 360) but I will now definitely be waiting for a cheaper version of the game to come out that comes with all the DLC down the line.

EA should reconsider charging for this day 1 DLC. Do they want people to pirate the game out of principle?

[WhizZzard]

MissOuJ wrote...

Underlined the relevant part for your convenience.

IP doesn't sell = IP doesn't get continued.

Also, and most horrifically...

Department doesn't make profit = department gets scrapped.

People at BioWare make amazing games, have cool ideas, and are generally pretty awesome people all around. The more money they bring for EA, the more funding & resources they get to realize their future ideas and turn them into awesome games I can play in the future. I like that idea.

So call it an investent for the future of the gaming industry.

Yeah, it's a great investment into the future of the gaming industry if you want games to cost 80$ new and then having to pay to unlock 4-5 Day-1 DLCs to get the full game with another 5-10 pieces of DLC coming (or a subscription) like Activision. You are totally saving the gaming industry and everything.

In the meantime I'll go to Kickstarter and put the money I saved on this on the Doublefine and the upcoming Wasteland 2 project so they can forego publishers altogether and actually make RPGs and Adventures again lol

[AkiKishi]

WhizZzard wrote...

So, according to people that already got the game the DLC download is 148KB big, so this isn't only a Day1 paid DLC, it's an on-disc paid Day1 DLC that people have to pay Bioware for unlocking, Awesomo!

Well if that is the case it will certainly shut a few people up.

[MissOuJ]

WhizZzard wrote...

Yeah, it's a great investment into the future of the gaming industry if you want games to cost 80$ new and then having to pay to unlock 4-5 Day-1 DLCs to get the full game with another 5-10 pieces of DLC coming (or a subscription) like Activision. You are totally saving the gaming industry and everything.

You American? Because I'm European and I already pay the equivalent of $80 (sometimes even more!) for all new releases. Also, we get screwed by our currency (DLC €10 = about $13.38 for the very same DLC) - so as far as I'm concerned, you get a huge discount just by the virtue of living where you live. The standard retail price for games hasn't gone up in America for what, 2 decades? That's a lot of dosh developers have lost to inflation.

Also, if you need the DLC to actually finish the game, we're not talking about DLC we're talking about episodic gaming (a la Half Life Episodes and Siren Blood Curse) - and if you actually have the money to pay $60 for 4-5 hours of gameplay, then go for it (most Halo buyers seem to - but then there's the multiplayer so IDK). But nobody forces you to. You don't like the idea of DLC? The game is complete without it: you don't have to buy it. Also, you can buy it later, save it for the 2nd/3rd playthrough.

I would've loved to have the DLC for DAO, but I didn't have the money at the time and now I don't really care anymore, but I still have fun memories of playing that game regardless. Who knows, if I replay it one day maybe I can enhance my experience by buying that DLC - but the fact of the matter still remains, that the game is complete without it.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 février 2012 - 01:03 .

[BTCentral]

BobSmith101 wrote...

WhizZzard wrote...

So, according to people that already got the game the DLC download is 148KB big, so this isn't only a Day1 paid DLC, it's an on-disc paid Day1 DLC that people have to pay Bioware for unlocking, Awesomo!

Well if that is the case it will certainly shut a few people up.

So this was what, a photoshop job by IGN? Seems rather unlikely.

Screenshot of content on XBL before the option to buy it was removed:
http://f.cl.ly/items...R/FromAshes.png

Plus people that actually managed to download it before it was removed also said it was 628.18 MB.

Unless, as I'm assuming you said people that "already got the game" you are referring to those with the "Space Edition", in which case you may well find the content is already on a seperate disk for that edition, just not the standard version of the game.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[AkiKishi]

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

WhizZzard wrote...

So, according to people that already got the game the DLC download is 148KB big, so this isn't only a Day1 paid DLC, it's an on-disc paid Day1 DLC that people have to pay Bioware for unlocking, Awesomo!

Well if that is the case it will certainly shut a few people up.

So this was what, a photoshop job by IGN? Seems rather unlikely.

Screenshot of content on XBL before the option to buy it was removed:
http://f.cl.ly/items...R/FromAshes.png

Plus people that actually managed to download it before it was removed also said it was 628.18 MB.

Unless, as I'm assuming you said people that "already got the game" you are referring to those with the "Space Edition", in which case you may well find the content is already on a seperate disk for that edition, just not the standard version of the game.

I'm not disputing it. Only saying that some people have been using the arguement that because its a 600mb download its not game content...

Honestly looking forward to how they greet this news.

[BTCentral]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm not disputing it. Only saying that some people have been using the arguement that because its a 600mb download its not game content...

Honestly looking forward to how they greet this news.

Yeah, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

10 days (assuming it arrives on release day) until I can play it... the days are going way too slowly at the moment.

Edit: Interesting. You can still even now pre-order the CE of ME3 on PS3 in the UK, obviously that version has not sold as well as hoped here.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 01:20 .

[AkiKishi]

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm not disputing it. Only saying that some people have been using the arguement that because its a 600mb download its not game content...

Honestly looking forward to how they greet this news.

Yeah, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

10 days (assuming it arrives on release day) until I can play it... the days are going way too slowly at the moment.

I'm going to say this honestly as one gamer to another. Don't get your hopes up.

[MissOuJ]

BTCentral wrote...
Interesting. You can still even now pre-order the CE of ME3 on PS3 in the UK, obviously that version has not sold as well as hoped here.

Probably because we PS3 owners haven't been with the franchise form the beginnig (because Microsoft was really touchy about letting their competitor get access to one of their hottest exclusive titles for some reason... ) and can't play ME1 on the PS3, so the fanbase might not be so strong there.

I had done some research before I booted the game for the first time but a couple of my friends were like "WTH am I supposed to know this person/persons/places?!" - that was when the PSN was down and we hadn't managed to download the introductory comic thingie before that, so everyone was like "WTF?" I wonder how many PS3 players just quit it for that exact reason... their loss, though!

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 février 2012 - 01:34 .

[BTCentral]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm going to say this honestly as one gamer to another. Don't get your hopes up.

About the DLC being on the disk? Or something else?

If the DLC is on the disk, honestly, I'd prefer that as I am getting the CE anyway and it'd just save me an additional download.

MissOuJ wrote...

I had done some research before I booted the game for the first time but a couple of my friends were like "WTH am I supposed to know this person/persons/places?!" - that was when the PSN was down and we hadn't managed to download the introductory comic thingie before that, so everyone was like "WTF?" I wonder how many PS3 players just quit it for that exact reason... their loss, though!

Ah, I was not aware people were unable to get that DLC at launch - Without it the game probably would not have made as much sense, but it's still not exactly a hard story to follow IMO, especially if you read all the information thrown at you throughout the game.

I played ME2 first, then bought ME1 after having really enjoyed ME2 - it still made more than enough sense to me without it though.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 01:39 .

[AkiKishi]

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm going to say this honestly as one gamer to another. Don't get your hopes up.

About the DLC being on the disk? Or something else?

If the DLC is on the disk, honestly, I'd prefer that as I am getting the CE anyway and it'd just save me an additional download.

The game itself.

[AkiKishi]

MissOuJ wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
Interesting. You can still even now pre-order the CE of ME3 on PS3 in the UK, obviously that version has not sold as well as hoped here.

Probably because we PS3 owners haven't been with the franchise form the beginnig (because Microsoft was really touchy about letting their competitor get access to one of their hottest exclusive titles for some reason... ) and can't play ME1 on the PS3, so the fanbase might not be so strong there.

I had done some research before I booted the game for the first time but a couple of my friends were like "WTH am I supposed to know this person/persons/places?!" - that was when the PSN was down and we hadn't managed to download the introductory comic thingie before that, so everyone was like "WTF?" I wonder how many PS3 players just quit it for that exact reason... their loss, though!

It was dumb making the comic a download rather than putting it on the disk. I played ME1 so I was clued in and I like the comic because I don't have to play ME1 every time (like the story not the gameplay).