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[BTCentral]

BobSmith101 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

I'm going to say this honestly as one gamer to another. Don't get your hopes up.

About the DLC being on the disk? Or something else?

The game itself.

If ME3 is not as good as I expect it to be, it will more than likely be the last BioWare game I buy, due to Dragon Age 2 being a very sub-par game for BioWare (in my opinion, at least).

However, the ME3 demo (and multiplayer, which I was not expecting to like) were both good fun, so I do not see any obvious indications that I will not like ME3.

Time will tell of course, but the indications to me are so far, so good.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 01:45 .

[Evercrow]

WhizZzard wrote...
In the meantime I'll go to Kickstarter and put the money I saved on this on the Doublefine and the upcoming Wasteland 2 project so they can forego publishers altogether and actually make RPGs and Adventures again lol

What? Doublefine?the makers of Brutal Legend?I should really go check this out, thanks for the heads up.

[MissOuJ]

BTCentral wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

I had done some research before I booted the game for the first time but a couple of my friends were like "WTH am I supposed to know this person/persons/places?!" - that was when the PSN was down and we hadn't managed to download the introductory comic thingie before that, so everyone was like "WTF?" I wonder how many PS3 players just quit it for that exact reason... their loss, though!

Ah, I was not aware people were unable to get that DLC at launch - Without it the game probably would not have made as much sense, but it's still not exactly a hard story to follow IMO, especially if you read all the information thrown at you throughout the game.

They were able to get it at launch (at least I think so) but we were a bit late to the party - we weren't even aware it was coming to the PS3, and when we finally got around to buying the game it was April - and then the PSN went down! It was a bit of a perfect storm...

Well, personally, I love reading codex entries, but some of my mates really don't, and I get that - that's non-interactive feature in an interactive experiense, not to mention if you don't just sit down with the intention of reading through it, readin codex can really break the flow...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 28 février 2012 - 01:49 .

[dbrw]

It will be free for DDE too?

[MissOuJ]

dbrw wrote...

It will be free for DDE too?

It's part of the DDE, yes

[obie191970]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

It's obvious you're not a business owner.

[dbrw]

MissOuJ wrote...

dbrw wrote...

It will be free for DDE too?

It's part of the DDE, yes

Oh cool, thanks.

[AkiKishi]

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

It's obvious you're not a business owner.

Right now I'm getting paid for doing nothing

You can't stop paying someone just because you can't find something for them to do. Unless you fire them.
If you have another view on the matter please do share.

[Reapinger]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Right now I'm getting paid for doing nothing

You're fired. 

/trumpface. 

[AJRimmsey]

Reapinger wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Right now I'm getting paid for doing nothing

You're fired. 

/trumpface. 

my stock managers name is robert smith,i am watching him VERY closely

[Kiara]

Unender wrote...

I'm confused as to how a single Prothean managed to survive 50k+ years... Hopefully it doesn't screw up the lore of the ME universe to have the from ashes DLC...

Or some type of stasis.. lol it is sic/fi likely make up anything to make plots work.

[Goth Skunk]

In Master of Orion 2, the entire Orion race was wiped out by Antarans, save for a single orion star admiral that you rescue from stasis if you defeat the Orion Guardian.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 28 février 2012 - 03:52 .

[Goth Skunk]

Also, I'm tempted to do my first playthrough of ME3 without the DLC, then unlock it for my second playthrough and see just how much of a difference it makes. Then I'll see just how integral this non-essential ADD-ON is to a FULL GAME.

[Cannonarm758]

What they should have done.

Collectors/DD
Art stuff + Soundtrack + other non Digital Goodies
n7 visual upgrades and other Shepard only costume unlocks
That dog i guess
Prothean squadmate + side mission
Squad mate extra costumes

Standard
Prothean squadmate + side mission
$10 for the costume unlocks (even though I would prefer to have those here, I do not feel entitled to cosmetics)

Bought used
$10 for the from ashes upgrade pack to get everything in the standard
$10 for the costume unlocks

I am totally fine for pre-orders getting a nifty exclusive weapon (shouldn't be too powerful, just different)

I am totally fine with charging a fee for people who buy used to get the really important extras.

I do not enjoy but accept having to buy a game from a particular vendor to get certain pre-order unlocks. I don't want to buy game from gamestop but the pre-order bonus seems more enticing than origins, even though I prefer digital downloads.

I do not enjoy knowing there is a part of the story missing even if it isn't integral when I buy a product the day of its launch. There is just no way to convince me that optional story content doesn't have to be included at launch. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Unfortunately none of this is going to stop me from buying the game on day one.

What Bioware just heard - Our ME legacy for some people is getting tarnished because of business practices from our publisher which we agree/disagree with.

What EA just heard - Another happy buyer. Lets see how much we can attach to our best games to see how much people will buy.

Whether you believe EA and Bioware has every right to sell their game as such, and they do, it doesn't mean you have to accept it.

There is always more than 2 options, buy or don't buy.

I can buy and vent my frustrations. These frustrations might not save bioware or fix EA, but other publishers might take notice and get public funding for game. Successes like Minecraft or other independent developers possibly wouldn't have happened (or at least not as independently) if everyone felt completely satisfied with the gaming market as it stands now.

I doubt anything will happen until a publisher puts out massive bank on a couple of AAA titles filled to the brim with DLC (worse than ME3) and it has horrible sales because of lingering bad tastes even if we loved the franchise.

For many, their love of ME3 is greater than their distaste for business practices and it is a shame that to some people, they feel that EA is taking advantage of that. For those of us that are buying the game but upset over how the launch has been handled can voice their opinion and you don't have to agree with it.

But, its my belief that a 500 page post has been read by a couple people from either company and I just wanted to add my 2 cents, hopefully with constructive criticism without unnecessary vitriol.

[Goth Skunk]

Cannonarm758 wrote...

What they should have done.

Collectors/DD
Art stuff + Soundtrack + other non Digital Goodies
n7 visual upgrades and other Shepard only costume unlocks
That dog i guess
Prothean squadmate + side mission
Squad mate extra costumes

Standard
Prothean squadmate + side mission
$10 for the costume unlocks

Stopped reading here. You're clearly out to lunch. clearly didn't think this through.

As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 28 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[Draven39]

Its pretty reasonable to expect a game you buy new on its release date to include a complete copy of the game. Day one DLC, cost aside, just puts a bad taste in the mouth of people expecting their new copy of a game to be complete. At some point we have to ask ourselves why EA even sells the regular version of it's games if you have to purchase some super edition to really enjoy a complete game experience.

I want to buy a game and have it be a complete experience. DLC fragments player bases, and just feels to me like being nickle and dimed. I loved Dragon Age: Origins, but I disliked the DLC aspect of it from day one. The idea that EA actually needs the money to pay its developers is kind of laughable, they're going to make a fortune off this game. Many companies provide free DLC for their games, especially in the first few months/year it is out.

I can understand some people being okay with buying DLC, but its hard for me not to think EA is taking advantage of your loyalty. Because thats what EA does, they nickle and dime their customers to death... and for some reason we let them do it.

[Goth Skunk]

Draven39 wrote...

Its pretty reasonable to expect a game you buy new on its release date to include a complete copy of the game. Day one DLC, cost aside, just puts a bad taste in the mouth of people expecting their new copy of a game to be complete. At some point we have to ask ourselves why EA even sells the regular version of it's games if you have to purchase some super edition to really enjoy a complete game experience.

I want to buy a game and have it be a complete experience. DLC fragments player bases, and just feels to me like being nickle and dimed. I loved Dragon Age: Origins, but I disliked the DLC aspect of it from day one. The idea that EA actually needs the money to pay its developers is kind of laughable, they're going to make a fortune off this game. Many companies provide free DLC for their games, especially in the first few months/year it is out.

I can understand some people being okay with buying DLC, but its hard for me not to think EA is taking advantage of your loyalty. Because thats what EA does, they nickle and dime their customers to death... and for some reason we let them do it.

No.

[BTCentral]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Cannonarm758 wrote...

What they should have done.

Collectors/DD
Art stuff + Soundtrack + other non Digital Goodies
n7 visual upgrades and other Shepard only costume unlocks
That dog i guess
Prothean squadmate + side mission
Squad mate extra costumes

Standard
Prothean squadmate + side mission
$10 for the costume unlocks

Stopped reading here. You're clearly out to lunch. clearly didn't think this through.

As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks.

While unlike Cannonarm758 I did not stop reading there I think there would be very few people willing to pay $10 just for aesthetic DLC. EA know that too, hence not offering useless DLC as a payable extra, but something a lot of the fans of the series will want.

It's all well and good saying "this is what I want them to do" but they're a business at the end of the day and in terms of sales, profit, etc. they can make far more the way they are doing it than what you are suggesting. I'm not saying that's right, just that I do not ever see what you suggested happening as realistically viable.

Cannonarm758 wrote...

I do not enjoy knowing there is a part of the story missing even if it isn't integral when I buy a product the day of its launch. There is just no way to convince me that optional story content doesn't have to be included at launch. It just doesn't sit well with me.

If you got any retailer pre-order bonuses you should count yourself lucky. I pre-ordered the CE... and am not getting any retailer pre-order bonuses, because the retailer decided only to give them out with the standard edition of the game for some reason.

By the point I found that out, it was too late to cancel my CE pre-order and re-order elsewhere, as it had sold out in the UK.

However, I fully agree with the "I do not enjoy having to buy from a particular retailer", nor do I.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[LinksOcarina]

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

It's obvious you're not a business owner.

Right now I'm getting paid for doing nothing

You can't stop paying someone just because you can't find something for them to do. Unless you fire them.
If you have another view on the matter please do share.

Simple question, but is BioWare considered a third party developer still?

[AlanC9]

BobSmith101 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. 

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

It's obvious you're not a business owner.

Right now I'm getting paid for doing nothing

You can't stop paying someone just because you can't find something for them to do. Unless you fire them.
If you have another view on the matter please do share.

Ummm... what's the point here? It's not like TOR won't absorb any  Bio staff that aren't working on ME stuff or DA3.

[AlanC9]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Simple question, but is BioWare considered a third party developer still?

They're wholly owned by EA. So, no.

[AlanC9]

Goth Skunk wrote...
As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks

Anyone know how many people bought the ME2 alternate appearance pack?

[obie191970]

AlanC9 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...
As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks

Anyone know how many people bought the ME2 alternate appearance pack?

I did.  Cause I'm a sucker.

[Evilelf007]

People are still complaining about this? lol

[SAARINEN]

It's slowin down, i expected it to reach 500 last night, but nope.