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[DaJe]

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

So if you draw a line half way through development and say, everything we do from here on will be sold as extra content on release it would be ok?

Did Bethesda go bankrupt when they put everything they had finished on the release day of Skyrim into the game?

How can you call something that was developed and finished before the release date extra content.

That is just one problem.

The other problem is the extreme disregard for the existing story and lore by even considering putting a prothean into the game but at the same time making him not important! The only way to do that is through spitting on the established story, just so you can squeez more money out of fans, who would be the only ones anyway to even recognize the importance of a living prothean in the Mass Effect universe. I can already see how the existance of the prothean as you go arround with him will not nearly draw the attention it should.
Suspension of Disbelief destroyed. Nothing matters, screw the story and enjoy the colorfull explosions.

Shady busniess ethics that damage the integrity and quality of a once hugely respected franchise.
Games slowly gather the recognition they deserve that they have the potential for deep, serious and complex narratives. Bioware was leading the initiative and now fell behind, because they found a penny on the ground.

Modifié par DaJe, 28 février 2012 - 05:39 .

[wrdnshprd]

obie191970 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wojtek the Soldier Bear wrote...

The developer and its employees must spend time, effort, and resources to provide this additional content with almost no guarantee that they will make money from it. What's the incentive to produce more content down the line if nobody buys it? You don't have to agree with their business strategy, but by boycotting this DLC, the people that truly get robbed in the long run are we the gamers. Not robbed of money, mind you, but of more hours of epic narrative and superb character development. Throw your slippery slope fallacies away, people, and swallow that ridiculous false sense of entitlement. Enjoy the labor of both love and money that is Mass Effect 3, and be glad that we have the privilege (not the right) to experience the heart-racing finale of the greatest Sci-Fi trilogy in gaming history.

Employees are paid regardless of what they are doing.

But the rest of your post sounds like something from EA coroperate so no surprise there.

It's obvious you're not a business owner.

funny how independent developers with a much smaller budget, and pretty much everyone else in the industry can get away with providing a complete story to ALL its customers on launch. 

are DLC packs released AFTER launch? of course, but these are no different than expansion packs which have been in existance since the beginning of PC gaming.

again, all story content that is in production and available at launch should be provided to EVERYONE that purchases the game, regardless of version.  you want to be nickel and dimed, great..  me, not so much.

[CommanderCoffee]

BobSmith101 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Lol the Prothean doesn't matter the ending of the game is bugged.

Eh ? 

Hope you romanced Liara, Kaiden, or Ashley!

[AlanC9]

DaJe wrote...
Did Bethesda go bankrupt when they put everything they had finished on the release day of Skyrim into the game?

How do you know that they did do that? People in this thread have advocated holding back content that's ready on day 1, just to avoid making people who don't like day 1 DLC feel sad. (I have no idea what Bethesda's doing with DLC -- Morrowind was all the Bethesda game I'll ever want).

Ban day 1 DLC and you won't get more content on day 1 in the base game. You might even get less, if it makes the whole project look less profitable.

The other problem is the extreme disregard for the existing story and lore by even considering putting a prothean into the game but at the same time making him not important! The only way to do that is through spitting on the established story, just so you can squeez more money out of fans, who would be the only ones anyway to even recognize the importance of a living prothean in the Mass Effect universe.

I'm a fan, and I don't see why a living prothean would necessarily be important. Sure, there are all kinds of ways to make him important, and I'm pretty sure Bio's gonna have some sort of prothean-related deus ex machina in ME3 somewhere. But if it's prothean technology that's important, getting that technology to Shepard's time does not require a live prothean. Information? Again, no live prothean required. I keep waiting to hear why a real live prothean would be more important to Shepard than a real live Otzi would be to me.

[wepeel_]

I keep waiting to hear why a real live prothean would be more important to Shepard than a real live Otzi would be to me.

If you measure the importance of things by what kind of impact they will have on you personally, you are bound to wait to hear such things a lot. In your day-to-day life, a live Ötzi most likely wouldn't be important at all. In a larger perspective though, such a find would be scientifically priceless. Considering the galaxy-spanning civilization of the protheans, a live prothean would likely be even more important. To ignore all the potential there is in having a surviving member of a civilization that disappeared 50k years ago and bring a prothean into the game just for kicks and giggles does indeed seem like a lame stunt.

[AlanC9]

How did you get from "scientifically priceless" to "potential" there? Potential for what?

[CommanderCoffee]

AlanC9 wrote...

How did you get from "scientifically priceless" to "potential" there? Potential for what?

Potential to reprogram EDI to be a sandwich making robot.

[wepeel_]

The potential to go into more detail about the protheans. To name some things, where did they come from and what was their planet like? What kind of issues did they run into while evolving? What did the galaxy look like at that time, and in what fashion did they forge their empire? Several branches of ME-world science would likely be extremely interested in that, and I would think a great deal of ME fans would consider it important as well.

Disregarding the extreme unlikelihood of a surviving prothean and all that, it would be sort of akin to adding Legion in ME2 but have no conversation options for him. No insights into what the geth were really like or what they wanted, and so on, instead he'd just be a funny robot who helped you kill stuff - i.e, a mostly pointless addition and wasted opportunity.

[BTCentral]

obie191970 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...
As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks

Anyone know how many people bought the ME2 alternate appearance pack?

I did.  Cause I'm a sucker.

800 MSP = $10. The alternate apearance packs were 160 MSP, which = $2.
Even if people purchased them for $2, that's still no where near $10 Cannonarm758 suggested.

I got them both on the 360 too, as I had MSP sitting there doing nothing. I did not on the PC however.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[sirdario1986]

Does anyone know when new info will be released?!

[AkiKishi]

sirdario1986 wrote...

Does anyone know when new info will be released?!

Maybe when Rome stops burning.

[TheLostGenius]

How much will "From Ashes" cost?

DLC price would be much appreciated, k thanks.

[BTCentral]

TheLostGenius wrote...

How much will "From Ashes" cost?

DLC price would be much appreciated, k thanks.

800 Microsoft Points (360), or $9.99 (PS3).

For PC, BioWare have not stated if it'll be available for purchase via BioWare points, if it is it'll be 800.
If it's available via Origin it'll just be $9.99.

Modifié par BTCentral, 28 février 2012 - 06:56 .

[GuyIncognito21]

I've decided I will accept all the apologist arguments about this being a legitimate business decision to increase revenue as long as we all agree that no sympathy will be expended in Bioware/EA's direction when they spend the next six months whinging about how much piracy is costing them.

Deal? Deal.

[hitorihanzo]

Ah... The thread that would not die. Look, BioWare isn't going to make the DLC free, nor are they going to lower the price. If they were going to, they would have made a public announcement already. Since they're not going to address, or intervene, isn't all of this "debating" a waste of time?

[nevar00]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Ah... The thread that would not die. Look, BioWare isn't going to make the DLC free, nor are they going to lower the price. If they were going to, they would have made a public announcement already. Since they're not going to address, or intervene, isn't all of this "debating" a waste of time?

Not really.  Just because they want to ignore this topic doesn't mean it should just go away.

A Prothean existing is a huge enough deal that it should have been in the game in the first place.  That's my take on it.  It has **** to do with day 1 DLC, as if they were going to include Prothy he never should have been DLC in the first place.  I can't honestly believe they thought a living Prothean would be minor enough that they could get away with selling it on DLC. 

[AkiKishi]

nevar00 wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

Ah... The thread that would not die. Look, BioWare isn't going to make the DLC free, nor are they going to lower the price. If they were going to, they would have made a public announcement already. Since they're not going to address, or intervene, isn't all of this "debating" a waste of time?

Not really.  Just because they want to ignore this topic doesn't mean it should just go away.

A Prothean existing is a huge enough deal that it should have been in the game in the first place.  That's my take on it.  It has **** to do with day 1 DLC, as if they were going to include Prothy he never should have been DLC in the first place.  I can't honestly believe they thought a living Prothean would be minor enough that they could get away with selling it on DLC. 

People are currently distracted by the "seven flavours of ****sandwich" endings to the game to worry about a Prothean at the moment

[Voronwer]

BTCentral wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...
As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks

Anyone know how many people bought the ME2 alternate appearance pack?

I did.  Cause I'm a sucker.

800 MSP = $10. The alternate apearance packs were 160 MSP, which = $2.
Even if people purchased them for $2, that's still no where near $10 Cannonarm758 suggested.

I got them both on the 360 too, as I had MSP sitting there doing nothing. I did not on the PC however.

I think the only point Cannonarm758 was trying to make was that selling cosmetic DLC would be more acceptable than content heavy DLCs. Reading on, I think Cannonarm758 has a valid point, even if perhaps the example they were giving to start with wasn't all that realistic.

[obie191970]

BTCentral wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...
As much as a Bioware fan that I am, I would NEVER pay $10 for costume unlocks

Anyone know how many people bought the ME2 alternate appearance pack?

I did.  Cause I'm a sucker.

800 MSP = $10. The alternate apearance packs were 160 MSP, which = $2.
Even if people purchased them for $2, that's still no where near $10 Cannonarm758 suggested.

I got them both on the 360 too, as I had MSP sitting there doing nothing. I did not on the PC however.

I would never spend $10 on the appearance packs.  Like you, I had some points to burn.

[obie191970]

Massively Deluded - Why everyone writing about the at launch Mass Effect 3 DLC is wrong.

He makes a wrong point about The Stone Prisoner and should have used Warden's Keep instead, otherwise it's an interesting 3 page read.

[AlanC9]

wepeel_ wrote...

The potential to go into more detail about the protheans. To name some things, where did they come from and what was their planet like? What kind of issues did they run into while evolving? What did the galaxy look like at that time, and in what fashion did they forge their empire? Several branches of ME-world science would likely be extremely interested in that, and I would think a great deal of ME fans would consider it important as well.

Disregarding the extreme unlikelihood of a surviving prothean and all that, it would be sort of akin to adding Legion in ME2 but have no conversation options for him. No insights into what the geth were really like or what they wanted, and so on, instead he'd just be a funny robot who helped you kill stuff - i.e, a mostly pointless addition and wasted opportunity.

Oh, that. I'm sure you will get that sort of stuff with From Ashes. 

Legion's a very good example, since ME2 can be played just fine without reactivating him. 

[Avason]

Have you thought the prothian may have been an idea they came with after the game had been in development for a while and it too late and not essential to have the prothian as huge player in the main story?Pretty much after 1 the prothians weren't really a big deal anymore. To main line of me3 the prothian is probably pointless like zaeed in me2. Its awesome to have one for the sake of awesomeness and lore but probably isn't essential to story of me3. You are paying for the main course the prothian is like dessert its extra.

[BaronIveagh]

Avason wrote...

Have you thought the prothian may have been an idea they came with after the game had been in development for a while and it too late and not essential to have the prothian as huge player in the main story?Pretty much after 1 the prothians weren't really a big deal anymore. To main line of me3 the prothian is probably pointless like zaeed in me2. Its awesome to have one for the sake of awesomeness and lore but probably isn't essential to story of me3. You are paying for the main course the prothian is like dessert its extra.

Well, we know he was nto a late idea, as he had a major role in the original leaked script.

[GuyIncognito21]

obie191970 wrote...

Massively Deluded - Why everyone writing about the at launch Mass Effect 3 DLC is wrong.

He makes a wrong point about The Stone Prisoner and should have used Warden's Keep instead, otherwise it's an interesting 3 page read.

I think the misstep is the logic involced in using Bioware's past good behavior toward its fans to derive that there is no reason to suggest that they have anything but the purest of motives now.  That's begging the question a bit.

The fact that Bioware has treated us well in the past is precisely the reason people are so upset now.  "They haven't screwed us before, ergo they aren't screwing us now" is no form of argument.  

Every company that has enough success to get in a  position to screw people got where they were by doing right by their customers.  Activision was a great company before it was an awful one.  Same with EA.  Companies that start out awful seldom become powerful enough to keep functioning.

[DarthSliver]

Avason wrote...

Have you thought the prothian may have been an idea they came with after the game had been in development for a while and it too late and not essential to have the prothian as huge player in the main story?Pretty much after 1 the prothians weren't really a big deal anymore. To main line of me3 the prothian is probably pointless like zaeed in me2. Its awesome to have one for the sake of awesomeness and lore but probably isn't essential to story of me3. You are paying for the main course the prothian is like dessert its extra.

 



Also the galaxy is a big place and like AlanC9 said he wouldnt care about some ancient civilation dude appearing in front him and I am sure thats how The Prothean will be treated when you encounter people on the Citadel or on the planets. The only ones who would show reaction is probably the Hanar/ people who worship the Enkindlers aka Protheans. Not many people in the galaxy will care plus they would be more worried about their survival since The Reapers are here, maybe they would show more reaction with random people if the Galaxy wasnt burning but the galaxy is burning right now so not many will care besides the people that know Shepard.