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[BaronIveagh]

DarthSliver wrote...

Now out of all the people who say they will or did cancel their preorder, I wonder if they actually did or just telling us they did to try and start something.

I cancelled mine.  I think I even posted a copy of my cancellation email from Amazon on on of these threads...

[ElementL09]

NitrAce wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

It it was posted, I missed it, but TB strikes again.

www.youtube.com/watch

Did not even make it thru the intro before I was off downloading Tribes Ascend.

I sat through all of it, it's very well thought out and worth the listen. I find myself agreeing with him on a lot. Simply because I've been ticked off by things like pre-order exclusvies, platform exclusives and what have yous, this just seems like another slap to the face. I was always going to buy the CE of Mass Effect, there was no question about that, but I'll be damned if I ever think charging the standard edition buyers for this DLC was actually a good move. It should have been free for all new copies regardless of the edition people buy, just like Zaeed. It's like the person in the video said, does EA and in turn Bioware really think their consumers are this worthless that they can be exploited like this?

It really should be free like Zaeed was for Mass Effect 2.  It should be free for EVERYONE who bought a NEW copy of the game.  But here we have EA charging consumers left and right and Bioware simingly not caring on the matter; seriously, how do you justify releasing Zaeed and the Firewalker missions day one for Mass Effect 2 and releasing From Ashes (Prothean) DLC for free for Collectors Edition owners (a limited stock of Collectors Edition to begin with)/ 800 microsoft points for people who buy the Standard Edition?  Not only that, but you annouce From Ashes dlc that includes a Prothean (really important in ME1) after it was leaked? 

The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

1.  The Digital Version is for the PC, so people who have consoles aren't able to use them.
2.  If you wanted to make this content available for everyone, why not do what you've done before and make it free for those who buy the game new.  If you want to charge content to make it available for everyone, charge weapons or apperances.

Really and truthfully Bioware, if you had annouced Prothean DLC earlier (like last year Novermber -ish) or made more Collectors Editions Available, you would be in a better (gamer friendly) posistion then you are now, and you have boosted you would have made more money since more users opted to buy the Collectors Edition rather then the Standard Edition. 

No one who buys the Standard Edition of the game is going to happy when the find out that the game the just bought for 60 bucks already has DLC for 10.  When looking at that, the Collectors Edition looks like one heck of a bargain, but since you didnt' announce it earlier (first come first served my ass, the bonus character and mission wasn't even known unless you looked at the text in the picture or came to the forum; most people just look at the contents of it in the description on most web retailers), most people are missing on what can be the "Complete Mass Effect 3 Experience."

[NitrAce]

MissOuJ wrote...

NitrAce wrote...

I sat through all of it, it's very well thought out and worth the listen. I find myself agreeing with him on a lot. Simply because I've been ticked off by things like pre-order exclusvies, platform exclusives and what have yous, this just seems like another slap to the face. I was always going to buy the CE of Mass Effect, there was no question about that, but I'll be damned if I ever think charging the standard edition buyers for this DLC was actually a good move. It should have been free for all new copies regardless of the edition people buy, just like Zaeed. It's like the person in the video said, does EA and in turn Bioware really think their consumers are this worthless that they can be exploited like this?

Full multiplayer is only accessible through the online pass that comes with every new game, so that's the "Zaeed" of ME3, ie. they already have a new buyer incentive in place.

Pre-order exclusives, new guyer incentives, and Day-1 DLC exist because of the huge used games market. EA/BioWare don't see one cent you pay for a used game - that's pure profit for retailers - so they need another way of making money out of preowned games.

I'm getting so sick and tired of this conversation. I just recently watched (part of) the review of Kindoms of Amalur: Reconing by AngryJoe and pretty much the very first thing he did was chew the game up for the audacity of having an online pass and new buyer incentive (free). And his exact words were "Stop your was against used games, EA!" and I was like, why should they? It costs them ridiculous amount of money that they (and the developers) have rightfully earned.

I'm not saying we (as consumers) should be taking the hit for this, but let's face it - we could do something about it.

I'm really not trying to go into why I think pre-order and other exclusives are bull**** that's just an opinion and I don't like arguing opinions. I'm just saying what's a better incentive than From Ashes being the Zaeed of ME3 instead of just being the incentive for making people buy the CE? I'm not against the notion of developers getting paid for their work, I'm against the notion of them manipulating it so they get overpaid. Which in my opinion is what's happening with this. They would still get paid for it, and it's not like it's really NOT a part of the game if it's available day 1 and we've practically known about it since way back when. That doesn't exactly spell "made while the game was being certified" to me. If you don't see it the way I do, it's just a difference of perception but seriously, EA is just as bad as Activision, this isn't a legitimate war on used games so much as it is profiteering off loyal fans. Cerbereus Network worked fine for ME2, there's an Online pass for ME3, then why add further punishment by making it so even newly bought Standard Editions have to pay an extra 10 dollars for day 1 dlc. This is just a cheap way of making it so those uninterested in the CE actually shell out the extra 20 for EA to light their cigars with. 
Crying havoc and letting slip the dogs of war by cancelling pre-orders and constantly ****ing and whining is no way to proceed I agree, but spreading your cheeks to be ****ed by EA isn't a better alternative. So I choose to let my concerns be known, if that makes me a whiner, so be it. I won't compromise my stand on an issue just because someone thinks I'm "whining". 

[DaJe]

NitrAce wrote...
...
I won't compromise my stand on an issue just because someone thinks I'm "whining". 

That's the spirit.
We fight or we die! uhmm....

[Dark-Kyon-X]

DaJe wrote...

NitrAce wrote...
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I won't compromise my stand on an issue just because someone thinks I'm "whining". 

That's the spirit.
We fight or we die! uhmm....

Shepard: We fight or we die!
Bioware: Lmao!!!
Get it ?

/sad

Modifié par Dark-Kyon-X, 29 février 2012 - 10:24 .

[MissOuJ]

NitrAce wrote...

Cerbereus Network worked fine for ME2, there's an Online pass for ME3, then why add further punishment by making it so even newly bought Standard Editions have to pay an extra 10 dollars for day 1 dlc. This is just a cheap way of making it so those uninterested in the CE actually shell out the extra 20 for EA to light their cigars with.

No they don't. I didn't have to pay extra for Soldier's Peak - and I didn't, and my game was just as complete without it. I also didn't have to pay extra for Arrival for ME3 to work properly;  Liara will still be in ME3 all the same wether or not you bought/payed through LotSB.

These are choises that are given to the consumers to enhanse the experience. They're add-ons. Hence, charching more for them is in no way immoral in my opinnion.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 29 février 2012 - 10:02 .

[Lunixx]

BaronIveagh wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Now out of all the people who say they will or did cancel their preorder, I wonder if they actually did or just telling us they did to try and start something.

I cancelled mine.  I think I even posted a copy of my cancellation email from Amazon on on of these threads...

I canceled mine as well.  I took the money i had put down and bought Jagged alliance:BIA with it. I'll pick up Mass effect 3 evenually.  Maybe when it's on sale or buy a pre-owned copy(I don't really care for the online pass for ME3, the multiplayer just didn't interest me one bit. Sucks cause I loath pre-owned games they always have all these stupid stickers stuck on the box, ruining the look =p)

This is the first time as a long time Bioware fan that I have felt like they were treating me and their loyal fans like walking, talking, breathing wallets. Buy some DLC at launch..  Want more DLC? Buy our book..  Want even more DLC? Get one with each of our action figures--Collect them all!

[NitrAce]

MissOuJ wrote...

NitrAce wrote...

Cerbereus Network worked fine for ME2, there's an Online pass for ME3, then why add further punishment by making it so even newly bought Standard Editions have to pay an extra 10 dollars for day 1 dlc. This is just a cheap way of making it so those uninterested in the CE actually shell out the extra 20 for EA to light their cigars with.

No they don't. I didn't have to pay extra for Soldier's Peak - and I didn't, and my game was just as complete without it. I also didn't have to pay extra for Arrival for ME3 to work properly;  Liara will still be in ME3 all the same wether or not you bought/payed through LotSB.

These are choises that are given to the consumers to enhanse the experience. They're add-ons. Hence, charching more for them is in no way immoral in my opinnion.

First of all those DLC's weren't day 1, secondly, ME basically builds up the Protheans to this tragic yet heroic species and then the last remaining remenant to you is just something to "enhance" the experience as an add-on? If you're really going to argue that it's ultimately the consumers choice whether they want the full single player experience out of their single player focused game, then theres no headway to be made here. Let's just drop it here because we're not going to see eye to eye on this issue, no matter what. 

[JebusGobson]

This is immoral.

Money is no problem for me, but this is just immoral. I can't believe it's come to this.
Pre-order cancelled. I'll still play it one day, of course - I really like the series -, but it'll be a bargain bin purchase.

This is simply too much.

[MissOuJ]

NitrAce wrote...

First of all those DLC's weren't day 1, secondly, ME basically builds up the Protheans to this tragic yet heroic species and then the last remaining remenant to you is just something to "enhance" the experience as an add-on? If you're really going to argue that it's ultimately the consumers choice whether they want the full single player experience out of their single player focused game, then theres no headway to be made here. Let's just drop it here because we're not going to see eye to eye on this issue, no matter what. 

Soldier's Peak was Day-1 DLC, and actually caused quite a lot of fanrage in 2009, so in that regard, this is hardly anything new.

I still disagree with you: ME3 has been heavily marketed to appeal to new player demographic - they might not care. Also, PS3 players, who've not played through ME - they might not care. On top of that, it has been said that the plot of the ME3 only tangentically mentions the Protheans, so, until I'm proven otherwise, yes, this is just an add-on, in my opinnion. It's like saying getting the Dog in DA2 should've been part of the game from the beginning since Fereldans have such strong connection to their Dogs.

But I digress, and agree with you on dropping the subject, since this seems to be going nowhere.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 29 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[Wardka]

Just listened to TB's second video on the subject. I'm glad he's taking a stand. I hope others are too.

[AkiKishi]

JebusGobson wrote...

This is immoral.

Money is no problem for me, but this is just immoral. I can't believe it's come to this.
Pre-order cancelled. I'll still play it one day, of course - I really like the series -, but it'll be a bargain bin purchase.

This is simply too much.

Immoral ? THIS IS BIOWARE !!!! 

Sorry could not resist that one.

ME3 may well join DA2 in being a Bioware game I don't own.

[Beard_of_Bees]

BobSmith101 wrote...

ME3 may well join DA2 in being a Bioware game I don't own.

Maybe. I avoided DA2 because I disliked what I had heard and seen, I felt it really damaged a fantastic IP set up with DA:O (one of my favourite games). Now I feel like ME universe is also weakened in numerous ways, and I just would not describe myself as a BW fanboy anymore (I own essentially every BW PC game and expansion pack since BG).

I probably will buy ME3 anyway, just to see the end. But I cannot see myself getting invested in a BW game again.

Modifié par Beard_of_Bees, 29 février 2012 - 10:56 .

[Evercrow]

Wardka wrote...

Just listened to TB's second video on the subject. I'm glad he's taking a stand. I hope others are too.

I'm glad this caused such uproar, it will sit in the people's memory longer. When someone,who felt bothered by "From Ashes" and lack of announces beforehand, encounter the same practice next time,they can say:"If you willing to make the same mistake they did, I'm willing to pay you much less then I initially wanted".

BobSmith101 wrote...

ME3 may well join DA2 in being a Bioware game I don't own.

What do you mean? You have it tied to your account,you know?

[AgentWhale]

I stand firm with Total Biscuit on this.

This Day 1 DLC is an example of the magnitude of EA's greed, and I will not tolerate it,

I think I will spend the money I would have used to buy ME3 on a non-EA game that is on Steam.

Maybe one day I will buy ME3 goty edition when I find it at a reasonable price.

@bobsmith, if you don't own da2 why is that da2 icon under your name?

Modifié par AgentWhale, 29 février 2012 - 11:32 .

[AkiKishi]

Evercrow wrote...

Wardka wrote...

Just listened to TB's second video on the subject. I'm glad he's taking a stand. I hope others are too.

I'm glad this caused such uproar, it will sit in the people's memory longer. When someone,who felt bothered by "From Ashes" and lack of announces beforehand, encounter the same practice next time,they can say:"If you willing to make the same mistake they did, I'm willing to pay you much less then I initially wanted".

BobSmith101 wrote...

ME3 may well join DA2 in being a Bioware game I don't own.

What do you mean? You have it tied to your account,you know?

Yeah the code for the PS3 version was just the barcode on the box. And it was the only way to get into the "hightown" forum.

DA2 was a rental same as ME3 will be. I never felt any sort of urge to pick up DA2 since then even at £10.

Never bothered to register DA:O (I do own the CE) and the complete one with the DLC and Awakening.
^^^^^^^^^^^

AgentWhale wrote...

@bobsmith, if you don't own da2 why is that da2 icon under your name?

Modifié par BobSmith101, 29 février 2012 - 11:21 .

[AkiKishi]

Beard_of_Bees wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

ME3 may well join DA2 in being a Bioware game I don't own.

Maybe. I avoided DA2 because I disliked what I had heard and seen, I felt it really damaged a fantastic IP set up with DA:O (one of my favourite games). Now I feel like ME universe is also weakened in numerous ways, and I just would not describe myself as a BW fanboy anymore (I own essentially every BW PC game and expansion pack since BG).

I probably will buy ME3 anyway, just to see the end. But I cannot see myself getting invested in a BW game again.

DA:O was amazing at the time, played it to death. But I find it's aged badly.

I've got CE's of BG+BGII Jade Empire, SE of KOTOR/2 and Shattered Steel/MDK.

I'm in the same boat count myself lucky to be a console owner and be able to do it for £5.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 29 février 2012 - 11:24 .

[Spawnfreak73]

Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"

Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.

Modifié par Spawnfreak73, 29 février 2012 - 11:24 .

[Wardka]

Spawnfreak73 wrote...
 TB's morals be damned.

It's not about TB's morals. It's about my morals. It's just nice to see he shares them, since he's a guy a lot of people listen to.

[JebusGobson]

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"

Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.

I don't know who TB is - I don't spend a lot of time on the internet - nor am I bothered by the actual content of the DLC, I just find that this whole DLC business has gone too far. If you start releasing them on the same day as the actual bloody game, it's obvious you're just milking your customers.
I find this immoral. If as a company you don't feel like you're getting enough money for your games, just raise the price of your game. At least then you're being honest.

[AgentWhale]

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"

Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.

My Shepard's story ended at ME1, after that there was some corny thing about him DYING, then brought back from DEATH, by a gang of racist henchmen, whom I had previously smacked around before DYING. ME2 story was so ****.

[AgentWhale]

JebusGobson wrote...

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"

Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.

I don't know who TB is - I don't spend a lot of time on the internet - nor am I bothered by the actual content of the DLC, I just find that this whole DLC business has gone too far. If you start releasing them on the same day as the actual bloody game, it's obvious you're just milking your customers.
I find this immoral. If as a company you don't feel like you're getting enough money for your games, just raise the price of your game. At least then you're being honest.

Yes, it is blatant milking. They are not even being discreet about it.

I guess some people are made out of money and it won't bother them when Game + DLC starts going way over $100. And this is for digital goods that are selling on a massive scale.

What a laugh.

[Mokinokaro]

Face it, most of these complaints wouldn't exist without TB's somewhat hyperbolic videos.

Day One DLC isn't "immoral," and to use that term to describe offering premium content is simply hyperbole for the sake of whining. It's not like Bioware's killing someone here. Bioware is a business and they are, ultimately, out to make money.

When you buy a car do you complain that the optional high end stereo is "cut content" and should have been in all models? No.

If you order a nice burger at a restaurant and want fries, you either pay extra or buy a combo that costs more. That's all From Ashes is. It's a premium extra.

What if, instead of charging $10 for it, Bioware had just raised the price of the game to $70 and included it for "free?"   I guarantee the same people would be whining.   They'd even whine if From Ashes was a month or two after release.

Remember, From Ashes was known about from the day the CE was announced.   Complaining about it now is just silly, imo.   Should have brought it up back then when there was a chance for things to change.

Modifié par Mokinokaro, 29 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[Pappi]

Heh, the PSN is gonna be swamped on the day it comes out. Nobody will be able to download it without it taking hours probably

[Spawnfreak73]

AgentWhale wrote...

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"

Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.

My Shepard's story ended at ME1, after that there was some corny thing about him DYING, then brought back from DEATH, by a gang of racist henchmen, whom I had previously smacked around before DYING. ME2 story was so ****.

Then why are you here? If you gave up on ME before two got started why care about any of this?