Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 11:54 .
AgentWhale wrote...
JebusGobson wrote...
Spawnfreak73 wrote...
Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"
Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.
I don't know who TB is - I don't spend a lot of time on the internet - nor am I bothered by the actual content of the DLC, I just find that this whole DLC business has gone too far. If you start releasing them on the same day as the actual bloody game, it's obvious you're just milking your customers.
I find this immoral. If as a company you don't feel like you're getting enough money for your games, just raise the price of your game. At least then you're being honest.
Yes, it is blatant milking. They are not even being discreet about it.
I guess some people are made out of money and it won't bother them when Game + DLC starts going way over $100. And this is for digital goods that are selling on a massive scale.
What a laugh.
Your first comparisons were closer to the mark. From Ashes is not vital part of the Mass Effect 3 story or experience. The fans are the only ones arbitrarily assigning that value to it. It is indeed, nothing more than extra content. I'd like to know where on earth you're getting the idea that they are somehow charging you for content necesary to complete the game.JebusGobson wrote...
AgentWhale wrote...
JebusGobson wrote...
Spawnfreak73 wrote...
Alot of you seem to have forgotten what This game is all about. It's about Shepard. All the choices she's made, deciding who lives and who dies, bridges she has built and burnt, the relationships she's had. All the consequences and rewards of her actions in the fight against the Reapers are about to be revealed. But you don't get to have one guy from a long dead race and it's "RAAAARRRR THE WHOLE GAME IS RUINED! HOW DARE YOU BIOWARE?! I'M BOYCOTTING THIS GAME!"
Well I'm getting the collectors edition so I will have the Prothean DLC, but if I wasn't, if all I could afford was the core game, I'd still get the game because I want to know how my Shepards story plays out. That's why I'm getting the game. TB's morals be damned.
I don't know who TB is - I don't spend a lot of time on the internet - nor am I bothered by the actual content of the DLC, I just find that this whole DLC business has gone too far. If you start releasing them on the same day as the actual bloody game, it's obvious you're just milking your customers.
I find this immoral. If as a company you don't feel like you're getting enough money for your games, just raise the price of your game. At least then you're being honest.
Yes, it is blatant milking. They are not even being discreet about it.
I guess some people are made out of money and it won't bother them when Game + DLC starts going way over $100. And this is for digital goods that are selling on a massive scale.
What a laugh.
Like I said - money is not an issue for me. I own my own company, I have more money than I have time to spend anyway.
But I still have some self-respect. It's sometimes grating when other media types do things like this, but then at least I can understand it:
- If movies are re-released as Directors Cut-editions, I can see the logic behind. Granted, they could've put the content in the original movie - but then you risk the movie getting too long. Also, it's not about milking. Take LoTR, for instance: the scenes they cut from the eventual cinema edition were already complete, so re-releasing a 'Complete' edition is more about recuping costs than some backhanded way of squeezing money out of your (loyal) customer.
- If albums are re-released with extra songs on them, I can also understand the logic behind it. Usually these songs are live versions, which hence couldn't possibly be included in the original launch, or songs that never made it to the album because they weren't good enough. While the second instance is a bit more dubious (if it sucks, then just don't release it at all), it's still more about recuping costs that you had already made in the first place.
This, however, is something else altogether. To take the LoTR example, it's like they would release two cinema versions: one without the battle for Helm's Deep, and one with it, charging more for the second. It would be absurd. It shows a severe lack of respect for your own creation, your own reputation and, most of all, your customers.
God, how the world has changed.
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Renegade133 wrote...
Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition announced
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9 months you lot have had to argue this
Lord Aesir wrote...
Your first comparisons were closer to the mark. From Ashes is not vital part of the Mass Effect 3 story or experience. The fans are the only ones arbitrarily assigning that value to it. It is indeed, nothing more than extra content. I'd like to know where on earth you're getting the idea that they are somehow charging you for content necesary to complete the game.
Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 29 février 2012 - 12:40 .
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Ok, ribbing aside, I don't like the idea of Day 1 DLC, whether it's an offering from a CE to the SE owners or not. It's confusing for customers, primarily the casual ones, that they go in to buy a product on its release date, only to find that there is more content available to be bought. To me, that would be a bit confusing and frustrating, as I would expect the only content available should be the content on the retail disc.
Modifié par MissOuJ, 29 février 2012 - 01:00 .
Exactly this. Kasumi was my go to girl for many missions and the Locust was so much less annoying for a Vanguard than the other machine guns. She was always my first mission out of the gate in any playthrough.SnakeStrike8 wrote...
I just feel like offering kudos to Bioware for this. If nothing else, I feel grateful that they managed this DLC in time for release day so we could have it as soon as we start playing. Nothing was quite as silly as recruiting Kasumi for the suicide mission when we've already finished the mission.
Thank you, Bioware!
Someone else with a little common sense, do people really want to sacrifice their enjoyment of the final game in the trilogy?, if you feel so heated about the "DLC" then boycott the "DLC"; don't punish yourself because some idiot in EA/Bioware decided they were going to try and screw you over, they are the ones at fault not you, send them a message by enjoying the game but boycott the "DLC"; when they see the DLC is not selling well they will lower the price, get the game, hold back on the DLC, you get to enjoy the game while at the same time sending a message this kind of day 1 DLC is not acceptable.Pappi wrote...
Everyone could just not buy the DLC and force EA to lower the price drastically.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 29 février 2012 - 01:19 .
nitefyre410 wrote...
As a gamer the and consumer the $60 price point has made me change my purchasing habits. I rarely buy DLC as is there are only 3 games I think were I purchased all the DLC. Mass Effect 2, Fallout 3 and Super Street Fighter 4. Now, they talking this Next Generation of console's have a $70 price point. I find it funny that companies like EA,etc what got get rid of the Used Game Market but they keep driving people there. Especially long term fans who are now having budget more for X number of reasons.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 29 février 2012 - 01:19 .
BobSmith101 wrote...
nitefyre410 wrote...
As a gamer the and consumer the $60 price point has made me change my purchasing habits. I rarely buy DLC as is there are only 3 games I think were I purchased all the DLC. Mass Effect 2, Fallout 3 and Super Street Fighter 4. Now, they talking this Next Generation of console's have a $70 price point. I find it funny that companies like EA,etc what got get rid of the Used Game Market but they keep driving people there. Especially long term fans who are now having budget more for X number of reasons.
They said that this generation too, once all the consoles are out and the competition hots up the prices are reduced. The mass market just has no will to pay that much which is why the price of games has remained relatively stable (or dropped) while everything else got more expensive.
Price increases tend to lead to them losing more overall than they make up with the extra unit cost.
Sony made moves to get rid of the used game market prior to the release of the PS3 but it led to a huge backlash.
Mokinokaro wrote...
Face it, most of these complaints wouldn't exist without TB's somewhat hyperbolic videos.
Day One DLC isn't "immoral," and to use that term to describe offering premium content is simply hyperbole for the sake of whining. It's not like Bioware's killing someone here. Bioware is a business and they are, ultimately, out to make money.
When you buy a car do you complain that the optional high end stereo is "cut content" and should have been in all models? No.
If you order a nice burger at a restaurant and want fries, you either pay extra or buy a combo that costs more. That's all From Ashes is. It's a premium extra.
What if, instead of charging $10 for it, Bioware had just raised the price of the game to $70 and included it for "free?" I guarantee the same people would be whining. They'd even whine if From Ashes was a month or two after release.
Remember, From Ashes was known about from the day the CE was announced. Complaining about it now is just silly, imo. Should have brought it up back then when there was a chance for things to change.
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That actually makes a lot of sense (regarding Bioware exploitation and the sale of this DLC...)
That said, like I stated before... ME3 won't be the game Bioware feels the pain from... it'll be their next titles. They've most certainly lost some clout from this... but not enough to stop most fans from finishing out the trilogy.
Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 29 février 2012 - 01:48 .
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That actually makes a lot of sense (regarding Bioware exploitation and the sale of this DLC...)
That said, like I stated before... ME3 won't be the game Bioware feels the pain from... it'll be their next titles. They've most certainly lost some clout from this... but not enough to stop most fans from finishing out the trilogy.
Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 29 février 2012 - 01:45 .
Ohh, you just had to say itKnubbsal wrote...
On a more positive note; this dlc fiasco is covering up the hate for Origin!
Modifié par Beard_of_Bees, 29 février 2012 - 01:59 .
Writing a script is not easy, they have to consider every plotpoint from the previous games and all the potential outcomes. I have not read the leaked script released 9 months ago because I want to enjoy ME3 to the fullest but those that have can all attest that the prothean squadmember was in it from the start and had a somewhat major role.ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That actually makes a lot of sense (regarding Bioware exploitation and the sale of this DLC...)
That said, like I stated before... ME3 won't be the game Bioware feels the pain from... it'll be their next titles. They've most certainly lost some clout from this... but not enough to stop most fans from finishing out the trilogy.
Ignore him, he's an idiot. Sent him a mail with some critical remarks about his previous video never got a reply back. He's just making assumptions with nothing to back them up and he's trying to cast doubt on the word of Bioware while he himself doesn't have anything to stand on. He mentions Zaeed and Shale, that's Project 10 Dollar, it has been mentioned that Project 10 Dollar has been replaced by the multiplayer component.
But I don't want multiplayer, I want a free 0-day DLC. Boohoo, deal with it, this is what you get!
He says the leaked script had the Prothean and thus it was developed before the game was released, writing a script is done quite easy. It only requires a typewriter or a computer. Making content requires teams of people and months of planning, paying quite expensive people (A-list voice overs, motion captue).
Just before the piece you linked to he makes a statement about MW2. Admitted MW2 was bad, but it wasn't bad for the reasons he mentioned. The matchmaking was annoying at first but later on got tweaked and patched and now it;s just fine. I don't know why this server issue still comes up once in a while because it's a nonissue at the momment. The problem with MW2 was that it wasn't worth the money you pay for it and the gameplay was flawed. It's overpowered for certain types of gameplay and doesn't allow much for other types of tactics, weapons or gameplay.
After paying for MW2 you know what I did? Not buy MW3, not buy Black Ops and completely ignore just about anything related to those games. That's the way it's done and that's the power you have as a consumer. You don't like it and thus you don't buy it. If there's a group of people who are buying it, it's upto them but you personally made a statement by not buying, end of story. If you don't agree with something, if you think you're not getting your moneys worth or if you think it's a scam then just don't buy it!
So his anger and rage towards Bioware was misplaced, he realises that now. Yet to save some face he tries to cast some doubt onto the statements made by Bioware, rather weak if you ask me. But now, since he can't accuse Bioware of something he has to point his arrows towards Microsoft, Sony and EA. I'm not even going to reply to those statements because this guy is just a weakling who has no idea what he's talking about. And the funny part is, somehow he has a following, somehow people listen to him and he makes all these videos and he makes all these statements but when somebody is critical and starts asking questions and poking holes in his reasoning he doesn't have the common curtacy to respond or start a dialog.
Idiot!
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That actually makes a lot of sense (regarding Bioware exploitation and the sale of this DLC...)
That said, like I stated before... ME3 won't be the game Bioware feels the pain from... it'll be their next titles. They've most certainly lost some clout from this... but not enough to stop most fans from finishing out the trilogy.
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