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[Sheppardian]

 I don't understand the negative reaction to this "leak". I mean people would give out if the content was a one time only offer with CE, so Bioware decide to release it seperately so people have the OPTION to buy it. If you really liked/loved the game you would be getting the collector's edition, I walked all over my city trying multiple shops to track down one that still had copies of CE still available to order. I own a copy of ME2 and i got it second hand which meant i had to pay extra for the cereberus network and Zaeed. I have yet to purchase him as I feel he is superfluous to the story. Kasumi also. the only benefit I see to both is extra credits and better weaponry (Locust SMG is awesome sauce). I downloaded all other DLC for ME2 from outfits to armour packs. I will do the same for ME3 as I feel for the most part that Bioware's DLC content is top notch and I'm glad that this content is available right off the bat. I'm disappointed that It came up on my facebook news feed from Ign showing the Prothean thereby ruining the moment for me when I would have encountered him in the game for the first time. that's my only complaint as I bet Bioware were eager to see people's reaction to the reveal of the secret character, I know I was.

I am the very model of a scientist Salarian. -Mordin Solus.

[XxKradosxX]

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Modifié par XxKradosxX, 29 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[Balrogen4]

If you really liked/loved the game you would be getting the collector's edition.

 
liked/loved the game you would be getting the collector's edition

 

 
the game you would be getting the collector's edition

 
you would be getting the collector's edition 

 

 
getting the collector's edition

 

 
potato

Modifié par Balrogen4, 29 février 2012 - 03:37 .

[nirwin9]

@Sheppardian

I personally believe if the character was a random Human/Salarian/Turian etc. We probably wouldn't be so up-in-arms.
But the omission of a Prothean squad mate, to some of us, is as bad as making say Liara's contribution to the game completely 'optional' and selling her character/content to fans for an incredibly high price even though it was ready before the game was released.
Sure you may be able to complete the game without her, but to some fans she is pivotal to the series, as I would dare say the re-emergence of the Protheans is.

I can't say the boycotters are entirely in the right, or that Bioware are entirely justified, it's a grey area, but I personally am a little disgusted by their move, so won't buy at full price. (and I could certainly afford to pay for the DLC, and will almost certainly buy some for ME3, LotSB was a great purchase for instance).

[fropas]

only six more days until I can download this DLC, so excited!

Modifié par fropas, 29 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[Sheppardian]

@nirwin

I agree with your point about the squad mate. When they first announced secret character I did think another turian or salarian, possibly even a Batatarian because of what happened in the Arrival DLC. A Prothean is a big part of the lore of ME and for it not to be a general part of the story line is a bit perplexing, unless his story is still involved in the overall arc and the option to have them in your squad is just removed. such as Legion in ME2 where he could be in your squad and help you destroy/rewrite the geth( the carry over I'm most looking forward to) or sold to cerberus for research. It's a contentious part of the DLC argument, where it boils down to how it affects the overall story and the Protheans involvement in it. I doubt that bioware would create a prothean and a plausible reason for their re-emergence, then decide to only have it as optional content as the level of commitment to back story they have in the series. At least I hope not.

[miniy2j]

nirwin9 wrote...

@Sheppardian

I personally believe if the character was a random Human/Salarian/Turian etc. We probably wouldn't be so up-in-arms.
But the omission of a Prothean squad mate, to some of us, is as bad as making say Liara's contribution to the game completely 'optional' and selling her character/content to fans for an incredibly high price even though it was ready before the game was released.
Sure you may be able to complete the game without her, but to some fans she is pivotal to the series, as I would dare say the re-emergence of the Protheans is.

I can't say the boycotters are entirely in the right, or that Bioware are entirely justified, it's a grey area, but I personally am a little disgusted by their move, so won't buy at full price. (and I could certainly afford to pay for the DLC, and will almost certainly buy some for ME3, LotSB was a great purchase for instance).

Well you did have to buy the LotSB dlc >_> and it was the only way you could get liara to say more than the few lines of dialogue she did have in ME2 so your point is actually moot. You could argue LotSB was actually important to the  story, it furthered it along same with Arrival, hell maybe even Overlord did as well.

[obie191970]

fropas wrote...

only six more days until I can download this DLC, so excited!

Seconded.

[ArkkAngel007]

MissOuJ wrote...

I don't particularly like the idea of Day-1 DLC either, but I see why it is important for the developers and publishers to make as much money off the new buyers as possible, and make content people who buy used games won't have access to unless they pay extra for DLC.


Well, at least if Day-1 DLC remains popular then the retail price for games won't go up (by much) in the near future (hopefully)... This way some people pay $60, others $70 and others $80 (in the US) so you can decide what you're spending your money onto, in stead of everybody paying at least $70 on launch...

I understand fully well the importance of DLC to developers, and I do like having the option of whether or not to pay for more content down the line.

But day-1?  Let me get through the game first before throwing candy at me.  My diabetes can't take all that **** at once.

[Xris375]

After watching the latest TB mailbox video, I've decided not to buy this game. Consumers need to make a line in the sand.

[miniy2j]

miniy2j wrote...

nirwin9 wrote...

@Sheppardian

I personally believe if the character was a random Human/Salarian/Turian etc. We probably wouldn't be so up-in-arms.
But the omission of a Prothean squad mate, to some of us, is as bad as making say Liara's contribution to the game completely 'optional' and selling her character/content to fans for an incredibly high price even though it was ready before the game was released.
Sure you may be able to complete the game without her, but to some fans she is pivotal to the series, as I would dare say the re-emergence of the Protheans is.

I can't say the boycotters are entirely in the right, or that Bioware are entirely justified, it's a grey area, but I personally am a little disgusted by their move, so won't buy at full price. (and I could certainly afford to pay for the DLC, and will almost certainly buy some for ME3, LotSB was a great purchase for instance).

Well you did have to buy the LotSB dlc >_> and it was the only way you could get liara to say more than the few lines of dialogue she did have in ME2 so your point is actually moot. You could argue LotSB was actually important to the  story, it furthered it along same with Arrival, hell maybe even Overlord did as well.

I forgot to add my point, you had to pay extra for those as well.  I doubt having a Prothean will have a big an impact as Arrival or LotSB

[obie191970]

Xris375 wrote...

After watching the latest TB mailbox video, I've decided not to buy this game. Consumers need to make a line in the sand.

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant on the interwebz can convince you to abstain from the conclusion of a series that the majority of people here have thrown hundreds of hours and dollars into.  Over the price of two beers.  Kudos.

[fropas]

Xris375 wrote...

After watching the latest TB mailbox video, I've decided not to buy this game. Consumers need to make a line in the sand.

Perhaps EA will remember this next time they make day-one DLC--make it free next time EA! Yes. . .next time .

[Xris375]

obie191970 wrote...

Xris375 wrote...

After watching the latest TB mailbox video, I've decided not to buy this game. Consumers need to make a line in the sand.

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant on the interwebz can convince you to abstain from the conclusion of a series that the majority of people here have thrown hundreds of hours and dollars into.  Over the price of two beers.  Kudos.

Happy to please m8

[nirwin9]

@sheppardian

Yeah the geth re-write is going to be interesting, can't help but get the feeling it's going to bite us one way or the other.

I agree with the rest of the gist of your post, we can't really know until we get to see the content of the game and DLC, it could be completely superfluous fluff that doesn't interest me at all (like Zaeed was for me) in which case I'll question its price tag, or it could be something that seems really intrinsic to the game in which case I'll question why it was deemed optional. There's probably plenty of room for grey between those two options as well.

Still I guess there is a lesson here for developers, day 1 premium DLC is a risky endeavour and must be handled with care.

[nirwin9]

miniy2j wrote...

Well you did have to buy the LotSB dlc >_> and it was the only way you could get liara to say more than the few lines of dialogue she did have in ME2 so your point is actually moot. You could argue LotSB was actually important to the  story, it furthered it along same with Arrival, hell maybe even Overlord did as well.

Well it would be hard to argue LotSB should be included with ME2 when it clearly wasn't finished when the game was released...
Comparing apples to oranges there I think.

---edit---
in response to your addendum, I didn't play 'Arrival' but with LotSB, it was an interesting plot development, but honestly one I could have just mentally filled-in-the-blanks for when I found out Liara's current situation. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing the exposition and seeing it realised so well, but it was definitely an optional extension in my view, which is what DLC probably should be. And keeping the ME1 love interests out of ME2 was an intentional decision, I suspect LotSB only came about due to the fan outcry over Liara's seeming disinterest in Sheppards return.

Modifié par nirwin9, 29 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[fropas]

nirwin9 wrote...

miniy2j wrote...

Well you did have to buy the LotSB dlc >_> and it was the only way you could get liara to say more than the few lines of dialogue she did have in ME2 so your point is actually moot. You could argue LotSB was actually important to the  story, it furthered it along same with Arrival, hell maybe even Overlord did as well.

Well it would be hard to argue LotSB should be included with ME2 when it clearly wasn't finished when the game was released...
Comparing apples to oranges there I think.

Well "From Ashes" is included with ME3 provided you bought CE. So, BW's got your back Jack . 

Modifié par fropas, 29 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[Sheppardian]

@nirwin9
Yeah I've a character in all classes now, just finished engineer, a few paragon a few renegades. Renegades kept the base and destroyed the geth while paragons destroyed the base and kept the geth, so yeah someone's gonna have a bad time. Yeah it's tricky when they say day one DLC available as you're gonna get the "why is it not in the game" argument. I would have just released it a month later saying sorry we couldn't make the deadline with it. Just hold onto it and spare yourselves negative feedback and not alienate loyal fans who were on the fence about DLC.

If they don't let Tali have a happy ending someone's getting a slap.

[ArkkAngel007]

I still have issues with TB. I agree with some points, but I disagree with others.  . His argument is still based only on an assumption that the character (after all, it is only about the character) was deliberately taken out as DLC. There is a huge difference between deliberately developed as DLC, and deliberately removed to be DLC.  I still disagree with having it out on day 1, and that it is exploiting gamers, but there is still a difference.

Edit: Ok, I was preemptive on that bit I edited out.  Props to him for calling swashbucklers out on their ****.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 29 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[nirwin9]

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

[Sheppardian]

All will become clearer next week when everyone sits down with their copy and we see what happens. until then it's all conjecture and speculation. Personally I'm being optimistic and believing the DLC omission from standard editions will not be a serious detriment to the experience.

[LinksOcarina]

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

Ask Arkkangel, he helped confirmed something I thought of way back in the thread.

[obie191970]

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

I was talking about TB who released the video prior to Bioware even releasing a statement on the matter and as ArkkAngel mentions above that the DLC was ripped from the main game.  Most of the debate here has been reasonable.

[fropas]

Sheppardian wrote...

All will become clearer next week when everyone sits down with their copy and we see what happens. until then it's all conjecture and speculation. Personally I'm being optimistic and believing the DLC omission from standard editions will not be a serious detriment to the experience.

True, dat.

I'm totally with you on getting Tali a happy ending. Don't care if I have to go down to their home-world and "build some concensus."  I've wanted to help the quarians since the first game. But then again this might be DLC too. LOL .

Modifié par fropas, 29 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[Sheppardian]

fropas wrote...

Sheppardian wrote...

All will become clearer next week when everyone sits down with their copy and we see what happens. until then it's all conjecture and speculation. Personally I'm being optimistic and believing the DLC omission from standard editions will not be a serious detriment to the experience.

True, dat.

I'm totally with you on getting Tali a happy ending. Don't care if I have to go down to their home-world and "build some concensus."  I've wanted to help the quarians since the first game. But then again this might be DLC too. LOL .

Haha Damn straight! Tali and I will be happy together, I played as an engineer so we'd have more in common! Also her face must be shown, It's unfair I've had to wait this long!