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[ArkkAngel007]

LinksOcarina wrote...

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

Ask Arkkangel, he helped confirmed something I thought of way back in the thread.

Which bit?

[nirwin9]

There WILL be a riot from some players if Tali's face isn't revealed.

--edit--
>  Most of the debate here has been reasonable
Okay, that comment from me was perhaps a little unfair, without reading the entire thread (not going to do that). Perhaps the "buthurt" CE edition guy just coloured my view.
Still, such accusations currently seem unfounded to me. Nobody has to wait for Bioware to make a statement before forming an opinion, sometimes companies will ignore community uproar altogether.

Modifié par nirwin9, 29 février 2012 - 04:46 .

[LinksOcarina]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

Ask Arkkangel, he helped confirmed something I thought of way back in the thread.

Which bit?

Maybe I have the wrong person...the bt about the content being deliberate DLC and how datamining was involved.

[Sheppardian]

nirwin9 wrote...

There WILL be a riot from some players if Tali's face isn't revealed.

Without a doubt, also Thane only had a year left to live, will he die in ME3?

[LumpOfCole]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

Ask Arkkangel, he helped confirmed something I thought of way back in the thread.

Which bit?

Maybe I have the wrong person...the bt about the content being deliberate DLC and how datamining was involved.

Deliberate DLC just like how Kasumi files were in the core Mass Effect 2 game, like basic voice files and script references? DLC is planned and even pre-produced to a small extent (and usually always is so the production team can plug it in easier) before the vast majority of the content is produced by a separate team or idle producers during the testing / certifcation phase of the core game cycle. The funds necessary to pay a lot of these guys comes out of an extra budget provided by EA for the purpose of monetizing the DLC. No plan to monetize or have as a buy-it-new incentive, no extra budget. No extra budget, no choice of DLC for fans and you're left with the core game without any of the From Ashes content.

Modifié par LumpOfCole, 29 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

XxKradosxX wrote...
im aware that im being very blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free

I am.  Thanks Microsoft.

[LinksOcarina]

LumpOfCole wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

nirwin9 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Glad a misinformed and uneducated rant

I'm glad accusations of being misinformed and uneducated get thrown around without anything to back them up. Especially when none of us are particularly well informed about the issue, except the devs and to a much lesser extent people who read the dialogue from the leak (though they still don't know the content of the full game).
Whatever happened to reasoned debate?

Ask Arkkangel, he helped confirmed something I thought of way back in the thread.

Which bit?

Maybe I have the wrong person...the bt about the content being deliberate DLC and how datamining was involved.

Deliberate DLC just like how Kasumi files were in the core Mass Effect 2 game, like basic voice files and script references? DLC is planned and even pre-produced to a small extent (and usually always is so the production team can plug it in easier) before the vast majority of the content is produced by a separate team or idle producers during the testing / certifcation team of the core game cycle. The funds necessary to pay a lot of these guys comes out of an extra budget provided by EA for the purpose of monetizing the DLC. No plan to monetize or have as a buy-it-new incentive, no extra budget. No extra budget, no choice of DLC for fans and you're left with the core game without any of the From Ashes content.

Pretty much this, which is why TB is wrong and too panicky.

[Sheppardian]

The monetary investment in making a game is incredible. As it stand the retail price is still low to recoup the investment, and it takes millions of purchases to post a profit. The little they charge for DLC is still less than it's price in terms of work hours etc. So I'm quite happy to pay the little they ask for instead of them hiking the price up so it takes less sales to cover expenses. Which eventually will happen.

[ArkkAngel007]

Oh yeah. I had to explain to explain that one a lot in different ways, without spoiling how it's all going to turn out.

But LumpofCole is reiterating a lot of earlier points in a more acute fashion. Glad to see some know the difference of what TB is trying to claim and what is actually happening. It's still an underhanded move on EA/BioWare's part (BioWare corporate, not the devs), but it focuses the issue more than claiming BioWare devs trying to screw us out of a complete game.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 29 février 2012 - 04:55 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

LinksOcarina wrote...

LumpOfCole wrote...

Deliberate DLC just like how Kasumi files were in the core Mass Effect 2 game, like basic voice files and script references? DLC is planned and even pre-produced to a small extent (and usually always is so the production team can plug it in easier) before the vast majority of the content is produced by a separate team or idle producers during the testing / certifcation team of the core game cycle. The funds necessary to pay a lot of these guys comes out of an extra budget provided by EA for the purpose of monetizing the DLC. No plan to monetize or have as a buy-it-new incentive, no extra budget. No extra budget, no choice of DLC for fans and you're left with the core game without any of the From Ashes content.

Pretty much this, which is why TB is wrong and too panicky.

Unless of course you remember ME2's Zaeed, the Cerberus Weapons, and the entire Cerberus Network...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[LumpOfCole]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

LumpOfCole wrote...

Deliberate DLC just like how Kasumi files were in the core Mass Effect 2 game, like basic voice files and script references? DLC is planned and even pre-produced to a small extent (and usually always is so the production team can plug it in easier) before the vast majority of the content is produced by a separate team or idle producers during the testing / certifcation team of the core game cycle. The funds necessary to pay a lot of these guys comes out of an extra budget provided by EA for the purpose of monetizing the DLC. No plan to monetize or have as a buy-it-new incentive, no extra budget. No extra budget, no choice of DLC for fans and you're left with the core game without any of the From Ashes content.

Pretty much this, which is why TB is wrong and too panicky.

Unless of course you remember ME2's Zaeed, the Cerberus Weapons, Cerberus Armor, and the entire Cerberus Network...

All of which I would give up for the multiplayer mode that is demonstrated in the ME3 demo. It's just personal taste, of course, but the multiplayer (in my book) has far, far more value to me as an unexpected free addtion to my Mass Effect 3 experience than any of the free Cerberus Network offerings could ever achieve.

Modifié par LumpOfCole, 29 février 2012 - 04:58 .

[GuyIncognito21]

Sheppardian wrote...

 I don't understand the negative reaction to this "leak". I mean people would give out if the content was a one time only offer with CE, so Bioware decide to release it seperately so people have the OPTION to buy it. 

I understand it's a bit counter-intuitive, but I disagree.  If they actually barred SE users from accessing the content, the argument that the content wasn't really that important would have more weight in my opinion.

Even I don't think poorly enough of these companies to expect them to pull something like that.

If you really liked/loved the game you would be getting the collector's edition

What's the rationale for that?  I have no interest in robo dogs or hoodies or comic books or little trinkets.  I'm a fan of the game, not of all the merchandise they can possibly plaster "Mass Effect" across and hawk to people.

I can just as easily say "If Bioware really respected their long-time supporters, they wouldn't be trying to gank us for an extra $10 to play their complete game."

[Mr. Gogeta34]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

LumpOfCole wrote...

Deliberate DLC just like how Kasumi files were in the core Mass Effect 2 game, like basic voice files and script references? DLC is planned and even pre-produced to a small extent (and usually always is so the production team can plug it in easier) before the vast majority of the content is produced by a separate team or idle producers during the testing / certifcation team of the core game cycle. The funds necessary to pay a lot of these guys comes out of an extra budget provided by EA for the purpose of monetizing the DLC. No plan to monetize or have as a buy-it-new incentive, no extra budget. No extra budget, no choice of DLC for fans and you're left with the core game without any of the From Ashes content.

Pretty much this, which is why TB is wrong and too panicky.

Unless of course you remember ME2's Zaeed, the Cerberus Weapons, Cerberus Armor, and the entire Cerberus Network...

All of which I would give up for the multiplayer mode that is demonstrated in the ME3 demo. It's just personal taste, of course, but the multiplayer (in my book) has far, far more value to me as an unexpected free addtion to my Mass Effect 3 experience than any of the free Cerberus Network offerings could ever achieve.

I'm not a Gold subscriber... so multiplayer does nothing for me, actually it's completely useless to me.

And for a Mass Effect fan, you'd think you'd want all the story-based content over the new multiplayer... to each their own...  but Mass Effect (until now) has been a single-player franchise.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[GuyIncognito21]

XxKradosxX wrote...
blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free:innocent:

Give it a week and it will be very easy to find out just how many people do exactly that.  It's not that difficult to figure out how many pirate copies are floating around.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...
blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free:innocent:

Give it a week and it will be very easy to find out just how many people do exactly that.  It's not that difficult to figure out how many pirate copies are floating around.

Or... you could always go the legal route and get Microsoft Points by searching on Bing.

[RDSFirebane]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...
blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free:innocent:

Give it a week and it will be very easy to find out just how many people do exactly that.  It's not that difficult to figure out how many pirate copies are floating around.

ya thats not a soultion thats simply asking for them to raise the price of games and DLC to make up for the loss generated by pirates they do a disservice to everyone at this point. to be honest.

[LumpOfCole]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'm not a Gold subscriber... so multiplayer does nothing for me, actually it's completely useless to me.

And for a Mass Effect fan, you'd think you'd want all the story-based content over the new multiplayer... to each their own...  but Mass Effect (until now) has been a single-player franchise.

As a PC gamer that doesn't pay extra for the priviledge of multiplayer, I can only sympathize. 

If ME2 had free multiplayer that shared the quality of that found in the ME3 demo and if I had to pay extra for Zaeed, I would've paid extra for Zaeed happily. Of course, that would've also meant more content produced which would've meant more production teams / more budget allocations to work with, so there would've been more value and more to buy.

Modifié par LumpOfCole, 29 février 2012 - 05:06 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'm not a Gold subscriber... so multiplayer does nothing for me, actually it's completely useless to me.

And for a Mass Effect fan, you'd think you'd want all the story-based content over the new multiplayer... to each their own...  but Mass Effect (until now) has been a single-player franchise.

As a PC gamer who doesn't pay extra for the priviledge of multiplayer, I can only sympathize. 

If ME2 had free multiplayer that shared the quality of that found in the ME3 demo and if I had to pay extra for Zaeed, I would've paid extra for Zaeed happily. Of course, that would've also meant more content produced which would've meaned more production teams / more budget allocations to work with, so there would've been more value and more to buy.

I'd look kinder at the situation if they supported split-screen, offline co-op like their nearest competitor (Gears of War) has done for their entire trilogy of games... (Gears also happens to use the exact same engine... yet alone the fact of how similar their gameplay systems are).

But this marks the first ME release where the complete single player experience is not freely available on day 1.  You can say they traded it for multiplayer, but that leaves millions of people on Xbox Live out in the cold.  So to that end.. they have indeed sold some gamers out for profits.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[_symphony]

RDSFirebane wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...
blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free:innocent:

Give it a week and it will be very easy to find out just how many people do exactly that.  It's not that difficult to figure out how many pirate copies are floating around.

ya thats not a soultion thats simply asking for them to raise the price of games and DLC to make up for the loss generated by pirates they do a disservice to everyone at this point. to be honest.

more expensive games ----> more pirates

brilliant!

Modifié par _symphony, 29 février 2012 - 05:10 .

[Sheppardian]

[quote]
If you really liked/loved the game you would be getting the collector's edition
[/quote]

What's the rationale for that?  I have no interest in robo dogs or hoodies or comic books or little trinkets.  I'm a fan of the game, not of all the merchandise they can possibly plaster "Mass Effect" across and hawk to people.

I can just as easily say "If Bioware really respected their long-time supporters, they wouldn't be trying to gank us for an extra $10 to play their complete game."

[/quote]

What I meant was that the CE offers the prothean, and you're entitled to your opinion that the rest is a waste  of resource besides the armour but personally I think it's still a good purchase.  The way it is now is that if you purchase the standard game then pay the extra for the Prothean, then you've just paid the same price as the CE and missed out on the : [*]70-page hardcover art book. Inside will be 3D renders of characters, weapons, and no doubt some concept work from the game all lovingly produced by the Mass Effect team at Bioware[*]Digital (extended) soundtrack for the game[*]N7 fabric patch[*]4×6 lithographic art print not available anywhere else[*]Dark Horse Comics Mass Effect comic sporting a unique cover[/list]That’s it for the material items, but you also get a load of digital content too:[*]Normandy prop for your Xbox Live avatar[*]N7 forum badges, social badges, and avatars[*]In-game: N7 Arsenal Pack featuring a sniper rifle, shotgun, SMG, and pistol[*]In-game: Robotic dog that will follow you around[*]In-game: Commander Shepherd gets his very own N7 hoodie
(via geek.com)

Also you're forgetting Bioware are not an independant studio. EA control them, so it's more practical to believe that EA suits decided that to drum up a few extra coffers to withold some game content to squeeze a few extra pennies, Bioware knowing this tried to sweeten the CE so some people wouldn't get burned.[/list]

[Mr. Gogeta34]

_symphony wrote...

RDSFirebane wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

XxKradosxX wrote...
blunt but you guys just have to realize that your not getting the dlc for free:innocent:

Give it a week and it will be very easy to find out just how many people do exactly that.  It's not that difficult to figure out how many pirate copies are floating around.

ya thats not a soultion thats simply asking for them to raise the price of games and DLC to make up for the loss generated by pirates they do a disservice to everyone at this point. to be honest.

more expensive games ----> more pirates

brilliant!

More used game sales anyway... but this whole "stop used games" effort seems to forget one important thing... When gamers trade in games toward brand new ones (like ME3)... stores like Gamestop are actually buying new copies from Bioware on their behalf... not so bad when you think about the entire cycle...

[RDSFirebane]

_symphony wrote...

more expensive games ----> more pirates

brilliant!

Thats life for ya.

^ eh used games are fine they do encourage people to trade in the old to buy new nothing wrong with that.

Modifié par RDSFirebane, 29 février 2012 - 05:14 .

[LumpOfCole]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


More used game sales anyway... but this whole "stop used games" effort seems to forget one important thing... When gamers trade in games toward brand new ones (like ME3)... stores like Gamestop are actually buying new copies from Bioware on their behalf... not so bad when you think about the entire cycle...

There's a percentage of people who trade in games to buy other used games as well, basically padding only Gamestop's profit margins (by a very significant degree - the markup on used titles versus what Gamestop pays for them is remarkable).

Also, because Gamestop undercuts the new retail product (typically by just $5), it dissuades people from buying new into buying used to save a few dollars, even if those people trade in nothing at all.

[_symphony]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

_symphony wrote...
more expensive games ----> more pirates

brilliant!

More used game sales anyway... but this whole "stop used games" effort seems to forget one important thing... When gamers trade in games toward brand new ones (like ME3)... stores like Gamestop are actually buying new copies from Bioware on their behalf... not so bad when you think about the entire cycle...

that's beyond retarded, if gamestop buys games new, then they ought to sell it new, not with whatever price tag comes as used.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

LumpOfCole wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


More used game sales anyway... but this whole "stop used games" effort seems to forget one important thing... When gamers trade in games toward brand new ones (like ME3)... stores like Gamestop are actually buying new copies from Bioware on their behalf... not so bad when you think about the entire cycle...

There's a percentage of people who trade in games to buy other used games as well, basically padding only Gamestop's profit margins (by a very significant degree - the markup on used titles versus what Gamestop pays for them is remarkable).

Also, because Gamestop undercuts the new retail product (typically by just $5), it dissuades people from buying new into buying used to save a few dollars, even if those people trade in nothing at all.

While true, those are also priced based on their popularity.  If they're still wildly popular, buying new is not going to change much of anything.  A $5 undercut for a used game is not a big enough difference to some players to risk a defective product or even the gas it'd take drive back and return the item.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 05:21 .