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[SAARINEN]

mogonk wrote...
R.I.P. Bioware Boycott

Fixed.

[Rdubs]

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Well damn. People are already moving on from getting ruffled about "From Ashes". Guess I don't have to add my two cents then.

I'm not so sure they're moving on so much as currently inflamed about a bigger even issue, which is the "wide variety" of outcomes we were promised turns out to be just one downer outcome with different window dressings on it.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/347/index/9512916/1

Modifié par Rdubs, 29 février 2012 - 07:13 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Is there still going to be a trailer for this DLC?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I think Bioware should've included all single-player story-based content as free for all players if it's ready for a Day 1 launch (especially considering how useless the MP mode is to Silver players). 

On release day... no story content done by that time should even be considered DLC -for-sale (which is how they handled ME2's release)... otherwise it is a pretty frank rip... especially considering what they did before...

If enough players feel this way, Bio will simply start delaying all the DLC content. It would have been easy enough for them to not bother finising From Ashes until April or so. Kind of annoying for the CE folks, of course.

Not really, they never intended to make the bonus char/mission exclusive to CE players.  It was simply never in the cards... and was never listed as such (it was only included).

I think the real point is that all effort from the start of development, up to game's release should be on the game that all players receive on day 1.  DLC was supposed to be extra by virtue of not having enough time to get it made before the game launched.  'From Ashes' simply does not fall into this category...  it was ready and planned for launch... alongside the game (which begs the question... why isn't it just part of the game?). 

There's always "different teams" handling different things on the game... having a team specific to "From Ashes" doesn't really cut the mustard...  Nothing wrong with realizing that.

[AlanC9]

mogonk wrote...
....enough kids who buy with their parents credit cards,

I keep hearing this. Who are these kids? All the teenagers in my extended family have to be pretty careful with their cash because they can't blow $5 and $10 without thinking about it. Unlike anyone with, say, a decent job.

[obie191970]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I think Bioware should've included all single-player story-based content as free for all players if it's ready for a Day 1 launch (especially considering how useless the MP mode is to Silver players). 

On release day... no story content done by that time should even be considered DLC -for-sale (which is how they handled ME2's release)... otherwise it is a pretty frank rip... especially considering what they did before...

If enough players feel this way, Bio will simply start delaying all the DLC content. It would have been easy enough for them to not bother finising From Ashes until April or so. Kind of annoying for the CE folks, of course.

Not really, they never intended to make the bonus char/mission exclusive to CE players.  It was simply never in the cards... and was never listed as such (it was only included).

I think the real point is that all effort from the start of development, up to game's release should be on the game that all players receive on day 1.  DLC was supposed to be extra by virtue of not having enough time to get it made before the game launched.  'From Ashes' simply does not fall into this category...  it was ready and planned for launch... alongside the game (which begs the question... why isn't it just part of the game?). 

There's always "different teams" handling different things on the game... having a team specific to "From Ashes" doesn't really cut the mustard...  Nothing wrong with realizing that.

I still don't see how people are surprised by this when both DAO and DA2 did the same thing.  Almost every game is getting day 1 DLC these days as developers are using the time during certification to produce additional content for an alternative revenue stream.  Game prices have stayed the same since 2005 and development costs have risen sharply - Of course they are going to be looking for different ways to increase their revenue.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

obie191970 wrote...
Of course they are going to be looking for different ways to increase their revenue.

Which is the source of the whole issue here. 

You'd think that, being the 3rd game in a trilogy... that development costs would actually drop (because they're working off of an engine and assets already available).

That said, I knew when DLC first started getting popular that the industry would head this way.  The DLC itself is more work... which requires more money/investment.  But... if you don't make it "more work" and just gimp the regular game a little... bigger revenue stream... right obie?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 07:35 .

[Tiax Rules All]

I haven't forgot. Since Shale and through every game since, I haven't moved on. Still Raging.

[obie191970]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That said, I knew when DLC first started getting popular that the industry would head this way.  The DLC itself is more work... which requires more money/investment.  But... if you don't make it "more work" and just gimp the regular game a little... bigger revenue stream... right jobie?

But it's work that's being done when they can't work on the main game anyway.  What's the alternative - Lay-offs?  

That being said, I'm sure that there are some companies that do skimp a bit and fill in with DLC - But Bioware isn't one of them and from everything that I've heard, this game is longer than both 1 & 2.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

If anyone's reading this at Bioware though, their sales for ME3 will be fine. I'm already sold on both it and the DLC.

That said, this is the end of the trilogy... and with it, they'll be left to prove themselves again next time. I pre-ordered ME3 as soon as I could. It'd be great if they could get me back to a point where I'd want to do it again (for a new title). But on-disc content and DLC strategy will be part of my deciding factor going forward.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That said, I knew when DLC first started getting popular that the industry would head this way.  The DLC itself is more work... which requires more money/investment.  But... if you don't make it "more work" and just gimp the regular game a little... bigger revenue stream... right jobie?

But it's work that's being done when they can't work on the main game anyway.  What's the alternative - Lay-offs?  

That being said, I'm sure that there are some companies that do skimp a bit and fill in with DLC - But Bioware isn't one of them and from everything that I've heard, this game is longer than both 1 & 2.

Zaeed.... Zaaeeeeeeed...... Zaaaaaaeeeeeeeed.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).

[Dragoonlordz]

mogonk wrote...

Spoonybard2013 wrote...
The very idea of DLC as it is implemented now is a rip off. Concurrently creating content - regardless of impact on the narrative - just to sell seperately is pure greed. ME3 has already broken even and has begun to profit well before release. There is no reason not to include "From Ashes" - or anything created during development - within both editions of the game.

Yes.  But they're doing it anyway.

They're betting on the fact that there are enough shortsighted people who don't understand the larger issue, enough kids who buy with their parents credit cards, enough nutty fanboys and fangirls who would pay any price to see their favorite LI one more time.....

They're betting that people will buy it anyway.  And they're probably right.

R.I.P. Bioware.

With so many insults in one post, are you aware of who is in reality coming off as childish? I'll give you a hint that it is not the people your are attacking. If you have a point to make, might I suggest you do it in a more mature manner.

[Dragoonlordz]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).

You can't have it both ways though, dislike for filler content and dislike about missing out on more filler content. As they said all major plot and questions regarding Protheans is resolved in the main title, the character and what little extra exposition he might add is just filler content because of this.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[MageCeridan]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).

The scanning would not be that bad if it was a toggle instead of a "Keep button pressed for it to work".
It might work well on consoles, but it sucks on PC (specially when the RMB is having problems).

[Goth Skunk]

SAARINEN wrote...

mogonk wrote...
R.I.P. Bioware Boycott

Fixed.

My name is Goth Skunk, and I approve this post.

Fact of the matter is, Day 1 DLC is probably going to be a commonplace occurrence now for established franchises, like Mass Effect. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Dragon Age 3 has Day 1 DLC attached to it as well.

But I've truly gotten sick of the notion that this was DLC that was already part of the game, and just removed to be later converted into DLC. Give it a rest.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 29 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[Dragoonlordz]

MageCeridan wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).

The scanning would not be that bad if it was a toggle instead of a "Keep button pressed for it to work".
It might work well on consoles, but it sucks on PC (specially when the RMB is having problems).

I agree with this sentiment. Playing on console while far more tedious (imho) scanning than having fun pulling stunts in the Mako, on PC when picked up copy for that.. The rotation while mouse button pressed was far worse due to limited desk space and faffing around back and forth.

[Spoonybard2013]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Travie wrote...

If this was a first game in a series people would just skip it if they heard Bioware was ripping everyone off like this.

As things stand I doubt sales will be hurt as much because they have people by the balls wanting to know how it ends, but we'll see what happens when they start up a new franchise and try to pull this stuff again.

Edit: bad grammar 

The very idea of DLC as it is implemented now is a rip off. Concurrently creating content - regardless of impact on the narrative - just to sell seperately is pure greed. ME3 has already broken even and has begun to profit well before release. There is no reason not to include "From Ashes" - or anything created during development - within both editions of the game.

Not a valid criticism. You cannot play the "have earned enough already" card because it's hypocritical. It's like saying if your boss offered you more money for doing your current job you would and should turn around and say no thanks I already earn enough to live on so I'll pass on wage increase. Greed in general works both ways and you cannot really accuses them for being greedy if your in turn asking for it for free.

Asking for something they created as part of a total package isn't asking to get something for free. It's asking to get what we paid for. Regardless of at what point they sat down and made "From Ashes", that $60 we spend covers everything they did before launch. If they want to make DLC after launch, then fine, I'll gladly pay for it. But to scoop out chunks to get that little extra inspite of an already fair MSRP is a mephistophelian kind of evil.

[LumpOfCole]

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Travie wrote...

If this was a first game in a series people would just skip it if they heard Bioware was ripping everyone off like this.

As things stand I doubt sales will be hurt as much because they have people by the balls wanting to know how it ends, but we'll see what happens when they start up a new franchise and try to pull this stuff again.

Edit: bad grammar 

The very idea of DLC as it is implemented now is a rip off. Concurrently creating content - regardless of impact on the narrative - just to sell seperately is pure greed. ME3 has already broken even and has begun to profit well before release. There is no reason not to include "From Ashes" - or anything created during development - within both editions of the game.

Not a valid criticism. You cannot play the "have earned enough already" card because it's hypocritical. It's like saying if your boss offered you more money for doing your current job you would and should turn around and say no thanks I already earn enough to live on so I'll pass on wage increase. Greed in general works both ways and you cannot really accuses them for being greedy if your in turn asking for it for free.

Asking for something they created as part of a total package isn't asking to get something for free. It's asking to get what we paid for. Regardless of at what point they sat down and made "From Ashes", that $60 we spend covers everything they did before launch. If they want to make DLC after launch, then fine, I'll gladly pay for it. But to scoop out chunks to get that little extra inspite of an already fair MSRP is a mephistophelian kind of evil.

The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.

[Goth Skunk]

LumpOfCole wrote...


The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.

Bingo.

These forums could really benefit from a Like Post/Dislike Post function.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 29 février 2012 - 08:28 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spoonybard2013 wrote...

Travie wrote...

If this was a first game in a series people would just skip it if they heard Bioware was ripping everyone off like this.

As things stand I doubt sales will be hurt as much because they have people by the balls wanting to know how it ends, but we'll see what happens when they start up a new franchise and try to pull this stuff again.

Edit: bad grammar 

The very idea of DLC as it is implemented now is a rip off. Concurrently creating content - regardless of impact on the narrative - just to sell seperately is pure greed. ME3 has already broken even and has begun to profit well before release. There is no reason not to include "From Ashes" - or anything created during development - within both editions of the game.

Not a valid criticism. You cannot play the "have earned enough already" card because it's hypocritical. It's like saying if your boss offered you more money for doing your current job you would and should turn around and say no thanks I already earn enough to live on so I'll pass on wage increase. Greed in general works both ways and you cannot really accuses them for being greedy if your in turn asking for it for free.

Asking for something they created as part of a total package isn't asking to get something for free. It's asking to get what we paid for. Regardless of at what point they sat down and made "From Ashes", that $60 we spend covers everything they did before launch. If they want to make DLC after launch, then fine, I'll gladly pay for it. But to scoop out chunks to get that little extra inspite of an already fair MSRP is a mephistophelian kind of evil.

Your not for simple reason what you pay for is what they offer. No and, if's or buts about that. The total package is one they advertise not what you think would like or entitled to. What your paying for is what offered. If you do not like the offer you can save your money, wait for price to drop or buy a different product on offer from someone else.

Again there is no proof they scooped anything out, because they never advertised the original game (SE) ever coming with it in the first place. They also never created it as one game and then cut it either, it was created by a separate team for the purpose of content offered with the CE product. They are additionally regardless of whether intended from the offset or not are allowing SE owners to get this extra content for a price. When made that decision is again irrelevant as the SE product was never advertised as having this additional content therefore you was never paying for it with purchase of the SE in first place. If they advertised it with SE then did not do as advertised then would have grounds to say actually cut it from the product, but only in the sense of cut it from the product offered.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Mixorz]

It all boils down to are you willing to pay $70 for ME3. For me, yes I am.

[Tazzmission]

i have a question wich hasnt been brought up yet

when in game do we get this guy on are team and when does the eden prime mission take place?

will it be like legion or do we get him early on?

[Aulis Vaara]

LumpOfCole wrote...

The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.

Do you really believe that? From what I understand, most of his presence is actually within the core game, yet only his squadmate status is the DLC. Do you really believe this was developed separately outside of the rest of the game as they claim?

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Your not for simple reason what you pay for is what they offer. No and, if's or buts about that. The total package is one they advertise not what you think would like or entitled to. What your paying for is what offered. If you do not like the offer you can save your money, wait for price to drop or buy a different product on offer from someone else.

I would cheer you on, but thanks to patents this is not how it works. Bioware has what comes down to a monopoly on Mass Effect, so we don't have another option. It's Bioware's way or the highway, and while that seems fair, it's really not, because so long as we want this product, they can dictate the terms in which this happens. In a real liberal market, there should ALWAYS be competition, otherwise the system doesn't work.

I'm fine with only Bioware having the right to Mass Effect, but in return we have the right to complain about the things we don't like.

Modifié par Aulis Vaara, 29 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[Goth Skunk]

@Aulis Vaara

Yes. To the first part of your post.

To the second part of the post, if--hypothetically--1 person complains about the DLC and 9 people buy it without batting an eyelash, then the plaintiff's grief rings hollow. If there's a chance to swing them over and become the 10th purchaser, BioWare/EA will try to find the way to do it, but if there is absolutely no way to satisfy them other than  catering to an unreasonbale, unprofitable demand, then they simply won't do it.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 29 février 2012 - 08:57 .