Tazzmission wrote...
i have a question wich hasnt been brought up yet
when in game do we get this guy on are team and when does the eden prime mission take place?
will it be like legion or do we get him early on?
Aulis Vaara wrote...
LumpOfCole wrote...
The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.
Do you really believe that? From what I understand, most of his presence is actually within the core game, yet only his squadmate status is the DLC. Do you really believe this was developed separately outside of the rest of the game as they claim?
Tazzmission wrote...
i have a question wich hasnt been brought up yet
when in game do we get this guy on are team and when does the eden prime mission take place?
will it be like legion or do we get him early on?
LumpOfCole wrote...
Aulis Vaara wrote...
LumpOfCole wrote...
The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.
Do you really believe that? From what I understand, most of his presence is actually within the core game, yet only his squadmate status is the DLC. Do you really believe this was developed separately outside of the rest of the game as they claim?
His presence (combat voice samples and scripting references) are in the core game in the exact same way Kasumi's presence was in the core game before the Kasumi DLC released. There's a difference between seeding pre-production presence in the core game and developing the meaty content that comes with the DLC, like story interactions and missions.
Aulis Vaara wrote...
LumpOfCole wrote...
The $60 you spend covers everything put into the core game. Extra budget and resources and even separate timelines went into From Ashes, so there's a premium attached to it. Extra budget and resources wouldn't have been put into From Ashes content if it were not to be separately monetized.
Do you really believe that? From what I understand, most of his presence is actually within the core game, yet only his squadmate status is the DLC. Do you really believe this was developed separately outside of the rest of the game as they claim?Dragoonlordz wrote...
Your not for simple reason what you pay for is what they offer. No and, if's or buts about that. The total package is one they advertise not what you think would like or entitled to. What your paying for is what offered. If you do not like the offer you can save your money, wait for price to drop or buy a different product on offer from someone else.
I would cheer you on, but thanks to patents this is not how it works. Bioware has what comes down to a monopoly on Mass Effect, so we don't have another option. It's Bioware's way or the highway, and while that seems fair, it's really not, because so long as we want this product, they can dictate the terms in which this happens. In a real liberal market, there should ALWAYS be competition, otherwise the system doesn't work.
I'm fine with only Bioware having the right to Mass Effect, but in return we have the right to complain about the things we don't like.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 09:09 .
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
AlanC9 wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I think Bioware should've included all single-player story-based content as free for all players if it's ready for a Day 1 launch (especially considering how useless the MP mode is to Silver players).
On release day... no story content done by that time should even be considered DLC -for-sale (which is how they handled ME2's release)... otherwise it is a pretty frank rip... especially considering what they did before...
If enough players feel this way, Bio will simply start delaying all the DLC content. It would have been easy enough for them to not bother finising From Ashes until April or so. Kind of annoying for the CE folks, of course.
Not really, they never intended to make the bonus char/mission exclusive to CE players. It was simply never in the cards... and was never listed as such (it was only included).
I think the real point is that all effort from the start of development, up to game's release should be on the game that all players receive on day 1. DLC was supposed to be extra by virtue of not having enough time to get it made before the game launched. 'From Ashes' simply does not fall into this category... it was ready and planned for launch... alongside the game (which begs the question... why isn't it just part of the game?).
Modifié par AlanC9, 29 février 2012 - 09:09 .
CommanderCoffee wrote...
Tazzmission wrote...
i have a question wich hasnt been brought up yet
when in game do we get this guy on are team and when does the eden prime mission take place?
will it be like legion or do we get him early on?
Nobody knows. Not enough info has been released yet. So, wait and see!
Aulis Vaara wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Your not for simple reason what you pay for is what they offer. No and, if's or buts about that. The total package is one they advertise not what you think would like or entitled to. What your paying for is what offered. If you do not like the offer you can save your money, wait for price to drop or buy a different product on offer from someone else.
I would cheer you on, but thanks to patents this is not how it works. Bioware has what comes down to a monopoly on Mass Effect, so we don't have another option. It's Bioware's way or the highway, and while that seems fair, it's really not, because so long as we want this product, they can dictate the terms in which this happens. In a real liberal market, there should ALWAYS be competition, otherwise the system doesn't work.
Modifié par AlanC9, 29 février 2012 - 09:43 .
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).
You can't have it both ways though, dislike for filler content and dislike about missing out on more filler content. As they said all major plot and questions regarding Protheans is resolved in the main title, the character and what little extra exposition he might add is just filler content because of this.
Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 29 février 2012 - 09:17 .
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).
You can't have it both ways though, dislike for filler content and dislike about missing out on more filler content. As they said all major plot and questions regarding Protheans is resolved in the main title, the character and what little extra exposition he might add is just filler content because of this.
I don't consider story to be "filler content." Planet Scanning is not "story..." it's just filler.
Prothean character/mission = SIDE story.
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).
You can't have it both ways though, dislike for filler content and dislike about missing out on more filler content. As they said all major plot and questions regarding Protheans is resolved in the main title, the character and what little extra exposition he might add is just filler content because of this.
I don't consider story to be "filler content." Planet Scanning is not "story..." it's just filler.
Prothean character/mission = story.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 09:23 .
Jurgwug wrote...
If they just waited an released this dlc like a month later, and people with the collector's edition got it earlier, than i wouldn't be that annoyed. If they lowered the price by like 5 bucks, I wouldn't be annoyed at all... couldn't they have the dlc come free with the purchase of a new copy? or even a code that discounts it?
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 09:32 .
Aulis Vaara wrote...
I would cheer you on, but thanks to patents this is not how it works. Bioware has what comes down to a monopoly on Mass Effect, so we don't have another option. It's Bioware's way or the highway, and while that seems fair, it's really not, because so long as we want this product, they can dictate the terms in which this happens. In a real liberal market, there should ALWAYS be competition, otherwise the system doesn't work.
I'm fine with only Bioware having the right to Mass Effect, but in return we have the right to complain about the things we don't like.
Modifié par Il Divo, 29 février 2012 - 09:37 .
NitrAce wrote...
addiction21 wrote...
BaronIveagh wrote...
It it was posted, I missed it, but TB strikes again.
www.youtube.com/watch
Did not even make it thru the intro before I was off downloading Tribes Ascend.
I sat through all of it, it's very well thought out and worth the listen. I find myself agreeing with him on a lot. Simply because I've been ticked off by things like pre-order exclusvies, platform exclusives and what have yous, this just seems like another slap to the face. I was always going to buy the CE of Mass Effect, there was no question about that, but I'll be damned if I ever think charging the standard edition buyers for this DLC was actually a good move. It should have been free for all new copies regardless of the edition people buy, just like Zaeed. It's like the person in the video said, does EA and in turn Bioware really think their consumers are this worthless that they can be exploited like this?
SilentCO1 wrote...
New theme for DLC is Disc-Locked-Content. Just look at Gears of War 3, 4th DLC is coming out March 27th, game came out September 20 th. All of the DLC was leaked before release because modders found it on disc, some characters were even found as bots in public matches (meaning everyone had already downloaded the character). I think only the Campaign section of one DLC was never on the disc. Smaller downloads, less work, and more profit.
Il Divo wrote...
So...it's exactly like every other product put on the market in the history of markets. How exactly could we have Mass Effect without Bioware?
Gumbeaux Jr wrote...
So a trailer was supposedly coming Friday? The marketing team at bioware need new watches... oh and calendars...
Aulis Vaara wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
So...it's exactly like every other product put on the market in the history of markets. How exactly could we have Mass Effect without Bioware?
I'm going to repeat what I said in the very next sentence: "In liberal market there is competition. I.E. a competitor would not use the same method of exploitation and you could go there. In fact, this is so important to free markets that in many countries there are laws to prevent companies from circumventing this by making agreements.
Aulis Vaara wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
So...it's exactly like every other product put on the market in the history of markets. How exactly could we have Mass Effect without Bioware?
I'm going to repeat what I said in the very next sentence: "In liberal market there is competition. I.E. a competitor would not use the same method of exploitation and you could go there. In fact, this is so important to free markets that in many countries there are laws to prevent companies from circumventing this by making agreements.
Bioware has what comes down to a monopoly on Mass Effect, so we don't have another option. It's Bioware's way or the highway, and while that seems fair, it's really not, because so long as we want this product, they can dictate the terms in which this happens.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 février 2012 - 10:32 .
Aulis Vaara wrote...
I'll go over it again. People say that Bioware can do whatever they want because that's the way markets work, and that we should stop complaining. I said it's a load of bollocks, because Bioware has what amounts to a monopoly in a liberal market system.
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