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[ElementL09]

I figure From Ashes DLC is very essential since Commander Shepard is the only person who understands the Prothean Language.

[Spawnfreak73]

You know what I'm gonna do? When my Collectors edition comes in the mail, I'm gonna wait until after I've given the game a good solid play through to activate the DLC code. Just to see if this is really worth the stink you guys are making over it.

[NeecHMonkeY]

obie191970 wrote...

I still don't see how people are surprised by this when both DAO and DA2 did the same thing.

I don't think anyone is actually surprised by this and the fact that it has happened before does not somehow make it right - it makes it worse.

I think many people have gradually been getting more and more fed up with this kind of business model and have now decided to voice it. This is not as sudden as you want to believe, things have just simply hit their boiling point for a lot of gamers and this being the offical Bioware Forums, what better place to speak out about it in the hopes of being heard.

[Dragoonlordz]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

I still don't see how people are surprised by this when both DAO and DA2 did the same thing.

I don't think anyone is actually surprised by this and the fact that it has happened before does not somehow make it right - it makes it worse.

I think many people have gradually been getting more and more fed up with this kind of business model and have now decided to voice it. This is not as sudden as you want to believe, things have just simply hit their boiling point for a lot of gamers and this being the offical Bioware Forums, what better place to speak out about it in the hopes of being heard.

With exception of the initial knee jerk reaction, further pushed by TB's initial jump to conclusions and assumptions, there have been very few people in here actually arguing against DLC and this sort of DLC within the past few hundred pages. This thread once reached around the 300-350 mark onwards is mostly a few people trying to make it more of an issue than really is and most of the replies in the thread over past 200 odd pages is people confronting those few people over claims they are making which are not true in most cases.

As with most news of most kinds on forums, everyone jumps up and down, throws toys out the pram and proclaim the end of the world to begin with. When heads cool most people react differently or actually put some thought into it. The amount of people throwing a hissy and huffing and puffing trying to blow Bioware's house down on here is not many at all anymore.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[BaronIveagh]

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

You know what I'm gonna do? When my Collectors edition comes in the mail, I'm gonna wait until after I've given the game a good solid play through to activate the DLC code. Just to see if this is really worth the stink you guys are making over it.

Have you played 1 and 2 yet?  That may influence how cirtical you view it.


BTW: have you guys read the new rules?  Not the one they are posting at the top, but some of the other changes.  Our ability to post is now being tied to Origin.

[Spawnfreak73]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

You know what I'm gonna do? When my Collectors edition comes in the mail, I'm gonna wait until after I've given the game a good solid play through to activate the DLC code. Just to see if this is really worth the stink you guys are making over it.

Have you played 1 and 2 yet?  That may influence how cirtical you view it.


BTW: have you guys read the new rules?  Not the one they are posting at the top, but some of the other changes.  Our ability to post is now being tied to Origin.

I have, which is the main reason why I'm getting it. I wanna see how my Shepards story plays out.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

BTW: have you guys read the new rules?  Not the one they are posting at the top, but some of the other changes.  Our ability to post is now being tied to Origin.

Again nothing to do with the thread or the topic.

Got a problem with forum regulations and rules start a new thread or go to the one on this aspect which already exists.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 mars 2012 - 02:35 .

[ArkkAngel007]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

You know what I'm gonna do? When my Collectors edition comes in the mail, I'm gonna wait until after I've given the game a good solid play through to activate the DLC code. Just to see if this is really worth the stink you guys are making over it.

Have you played 1 and 2 yet?  That may influence how cirtical you view it.


BTW: have you guys read the new rules?  Not the one they are posting at the top, but some of the other changes.  Our ability to post is now being tied to Origin.

That was the case since Origin was brought to the forefront.  They are just now being upfront about it.  That also means that if we get banned here, more than likely we will be banned from playing games on Origin.

And I've played both of the games numerous times, and I don't feel the need to throw a fit over a Prothean not being the saving grace of Mass Effect 3.

[NeecHMonkeY]

Can anyone confirm whether or not the Prothean appears in the game without the DLC pack?

The reason I ask this is because if he doesn't appear at all, EA/Bioware may be in a bit of trouble (more than what their getting from the army of upset fans right now, I mean).

Having thought about the reason why I'm upset about the DLC situation, I realized what one of the major factors was; The Prothean appears in the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book.

When I first got the book, I couldn't resist having a look through the whole thing and that was the first time I came across the concept art for the Prothean (among other spoilers). I was pretty excited by the fact that a Prothean was going to appear in the game and the fact that he was listed as an ally meant that he could potentially be a squadmate. As a fan of the series, this was huge!

And then the DLC leak happened about a week later (and you know the rest).

So, what's the big problem you might ask?

Even though the art book is a product itself, it's also a form of marketing to promote interest in the game. Being released prior to the game and without any major story spoilers suggests this - marketing through related merchandise, not really a new concept for films, games, music and television.

As a fan with no prior knowledge of the character, reading the book I was led to believe that the Prothean would be a part of the game (whether essential or not is irrelevant) so if he doesn't appear unless I buy the DLC pack, I was given false information about the game's contents. There is no mention in the book that he will cost extra and the book goes so far as to list other items and story points that were cut from the main game but does not say anything at all like that regarding the Prothean. It even shows a 3D model of the character's head and how it will appear in the game.

So, if the Prothean still appears in the game but is only recruitable if you purchase the DLC pack - fine, I'm actually ok with that (it's better than nothing).

If the Prothean only appears with the purchase of the DLC pack - we have a serious issue of false advertising that needs to be brought up.

[Kaos_Scorpio]

It blows my mind how many people are mad about this DLC. I know me being a huge ME fan (Star What) I preordered my CE as soon as it was announced, literally. So Bioware is rewarding the fans who scrapped together every penny they could to preorder it and not sit around wondering if they should. If your mad about paying $10 then you shouldn't call yourself a fan. I traded every game I owned, minus ME1 and ME2, for my CE preorder and more than paid for it. Bioware is one of the few developers out there that actually listen to their fans, so I believe them when they said the DLC was made after the main game was finished and most importantly when Zaeed and Kasumi were first announced for the cerberus network it was supposed to be a CE exclusive so bioware was nice enogh to make it available to everybody for free. So I say thanks bioware for making the CE even cooler by giving it an extra something to really give the die hard fans something special and to everybody else support bioware against these so called "boycotters" and embrace the chance to play with quite possibly the coolest character Bioware has dreamt up.

[Dragoonlordz]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

So, if the Prothean still appears in the game but is only recruitable if you purchase the DLC pack - fine, I'm actually ok with that (it's better than nothing).

If the Prothean only appears with the purchase of the DLC pack - we have a serious issue of false advertising that needs to be brought up.

The bolded one is what I think happens like Legion. But only way to know for sure right now is if ask someone who has a copy probably space edition or one of review sites doing review on it. Even if that is not the case there is no false advertising as the CE version of the game comes with that content so it is with one of the game products as upon purchase of game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 mars 2012 - 03:21 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Kaos_Scorpio wrote...

It blows my mind how many people are mad about this DLC. I know me being a huge ME fan (Star What) I preordered my CE as soon as it was announced, literally. So Bioware is rewarding the fans who scrapped together every penny they could to preorder it and not sit around wondering if they should. If your mad about paying $10 then you shouldn't call yourself a fan. I traded every game I owned, minus ME1 and ME2, for my CE preorder and more than paid for it. Bioware is one of the few developers out there that actually listen to their fans, so I believe them when they said the DLC was made after the main game was finished and most importantly when Zaeed and Kasumi were first announced for the cerberus network it was supposed to be a CE exclusive so bioware was nice enogh to make it available to everybody for free. So I say thanks bioware for making the CE even cooler by giving it an extra something to really give the die hard fans something special and to everybody else support bioware against these so called "boycotters" and embrace the chance to play with quite possibly the coolest character Bioware has dreamt up.

Take the amount of pages with pinch of salt. Most of it is knee jerk reactions.

[ArkkAngel007]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Can anyone confirm whether or not the Prothean appears in the game without the DLC pack?

The reason I ask this is because if he doesn't appear at all, EA/Bioware may be in a bit of trouble (more than what their getting from the army of upset fans right now, I mean).

Having thought about the reason why I'm upset about the DLC situation, I realized what one of the major factors was; The Prothean appears in the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book.

When I first got the book, I couldn't resist having a look through the whole thing and that was the first time I came across the concept art for the Prothean (among other spoilers). I was pretty excited by the fact that a Prothean was going to appear in the game and the fact that he was listed as an ally meant that he could potentially be a squadmate. As a fan of the series, this was huge!

And then the DLC leak happened about a week later (and you know the rest).

So, what's the big problem you might ask?

Even though the art book is a product itself, it's also a form of marketing to promote interest in the game. Being released prior to the game and without any major story spoilers suggests this - marketing through related merchandise, not really a new concept for films, games, music and television.

As a fan with no prior knowledge of the character, reading the book I was led to believe that the Prothean would be a part of the game (whether essential or not is irrelevant) so if he doesn't appear unless I buy the DLC pack, I was given false information about the game's contents. There is no mention in the book that he will cost extra and the book goes so far as to list other items and story points that were cut from the main game but does not say anything at all like that regarding the Prothean. It even shows a 3D model of the character's head and how it will appear in the game.

So, if the Prothean still appears in the game but is only recruitable if you purchase the DLC pack - fine, I'm actually ok with that (it's better than nothing).

If the Prothean only appears with the purchase of the DLC pack - we have a serious issue of false advertising that needs to be brought up.

From my personal knowledge gathered personally from the TLK files and the script, and from what we're receiving from those leaking the content, no, he is not in the retail game.

How is that false advertising?  It's always been advertised as being part of DLC.  Never were we told there was even a Prothean involved in the game aside from the bonus CE content screwup last year.  The art book is full of concepts.  Since adjudants aren't in the game, that is false advertising?  False advertising that Harvester's didn't appear in ME1 (where they were actually a part of the game and removed, mind you)?  The artbook isn't a form of advertisement, it's a fan resource for those who appreciate the art work put into the game, both on paper and digital.

That's a dramatic and nonsensical reasoning, sorry.

[BaronIveagh]

Kaos_Scorpio wrote...

It blows my mind how many people are mad about this DLC. I know me being a huge ME fan (Star What) I preordered my CE as soon as it was announced, literally. So Bioware is rewarding the fans who scrapped together every penny they could to preorder it and not sit around wondering if they should. If your mad about paying $10 then you shouldn't call yourself a fan. I traded every game I owned, minus ME1 and ME2, for my CE preorder and more than paid for it. Bioware is one of the few developers out there that actually listen to their fans, so I believe them when they said the DLC was made after the main game was finished and most importantly when Zaeed and Kasumi were first announced for the cerberus network it was supposed to be a CE exclusive so bioware was nice enogh to make it available to everybody for free. So I say thanks bioware for making the CE even cooler by giving it an extra something to really give the die hard fans something special and to everybody else support bioware against these so called "boycotters" and embrace the chance to play with quite possibly the coolest character Bioware has dreamt up.

Um, one, a boycott is a boycott.  There's nothing 'so called' about it.  They just vary in strength. 

And, again, I've cancelled my CE preorder.  Appearently enough people have that preorders have been reopening in some places.  What I oppose is not the content itself, per se, or even day one DLC.  It's the manner it's being handled.  Bioware seems to be circling the wagons rather then address any of these issues, with the only releases comming from two members of the Bioware PR team.  This lack of openness if a new, and rathe unwelcome wrinkle in Bioware's interaction with it's fanbase.

As I pointed out to Stan Woo in another thread, many of Bioware's actions lately have been sending entirely the wrong messages to fans, and they really need to get thier head together on this.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Kaos_Scorpio wrote...

It blows my mind how many people are mad about this DLC. I know me being a huge ME fan (Star What) I preordered my CE as soon as it was announced, literally. So Bioware is rewarding the fans who scrapped together every penny they could to preorder it and not sit around wondering if they should. If your mad about paying $10 then you shouldn't call yourself a fan. I traded every game I owned, minus ME1 and ME2, for my CE preorder and more than paid for it. Bioware is one of the few developers out there that actually listen to their fans, so I believe them when they said the DLC was made after the main game was finished and most importantly when Zaeed and Kasumi were first announced for the cerberus network it was supposed to be a CE exclusive so bioware was nice enogh to make it available to everybody for free. So I say thanks bioware for making the CE even cooler by giving it an extra something to really give the die hard fans something special and to everybody else support bioware against these so called "boycotters" and embrace the chance to play with quite possibly the coolest character Bioware has dreamt up.

Um, one, a boycott is a boycott.  There's nothing 'so called' about it.  They just vary in strength. 

And, again, I've cancelled my CE preorder.  Appearently enough people have that preorders have been reopening in some places.  What I oppose is not the content itself, per se, or even day one DLC.  It's the manner it's being handled.  Bioware seems to be circling the wagons rather then address any of these issues, with the only releases comming from two members of the Bioware PR team.  This lack of openness if a new, and rathe unwelcome wrinkle in Bioware's interaction with it's fanbase.

As I pointed out to Stan Woo in another thread, many of Bioware's actions lately have been sending entirely the wrong messages to fans, and they really need to get thier head together on this.

Actually that would be due to Game/Gamestation royally screwing fans out of their CE's/SE's.The boycott has had near zero impact/effect , Game's copies of ME3 have been sent to other stores/online stores.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 01 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Actually that would be due to Game/Gamestation royally screwing fans out of their CE's/SE's.The boycott has had near zero impact/effect , Game's copies of ME3 have been sent to other stores/online stores.

And you know that it's had zero effect... how?

[NeecHMonkeY]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Can anyone confirm whether or not the Prothean appears in the game without the DLC pack?

The reason I ask this is because if he doesn't appear at all, EA/Bioware may be in a bit of trouble (more than what their getting from the army of upset fans right now, I mean).

Having thought about the reason why I'm upset about the DLC situation, I realized what one of the major factors was; The Prothean appears in the Art of the Mass Effect Universe book.

When I first got the book, I couldn't resist having a look through the whole thing and that was the first time I came across the concept art for the Prothean (among other spoilers). I was pretty excited by the fact that a Prothean was going to appear in the game and the fact that he was listed as an ally meant that he could potentially be a squadmate. As a fan of the series, this was huge!

And then the DLC leak happened about a week later (and you know the rest).

So, what's the big problem you might ask?

Even though the art book is a product itself, it's also a form of marketing to promote interest in the game. Being released prior to the game and without any major story spoilers suggests this - marketing through related merchandise, not really a new concept for films, games, music and television.

As a fan with no prior knowledge of the character, reading the book I was led to believe that the Prothean would be a part of the game (whether essential or not is irrelevant) so if he doesn't appear unless I buy the DLC pack, I was given false information about the game's contents. There is no mention in the book that he will cost extra and the book goes so far as to list other items and story points that were cut from the main game but does not say anything at all like that regarding the Prothean. It even shows a 3D model of the character's head and how it will appear in the game.

So, if the Prothean still appears in the game but is only recruitable if you purchase the DLC pack - fine, I'm actually ok with that (it's better than nothing).

If the Prothean only appears with the purchase of the DLC pack - we have a serious issue of false advertising that needs to be brought up.

From my personal knowledge gathered personally from the TLK files and the script, and from what we're receiving from those leaking the content, no, he is not in the retail game.

How is that false advertising?  It's always been advertised as being part of DLC.  Never were we told there was even a Prothean involved in the game aside from the bonus CE content screwup last year.  The art book is full of concepts.  Since adjudants aren't in the game, that is false advertising?  False advertising that Harvester's didn't appear in ME1 (where they were actually a part of the game and removed, mind you)?  The artbook isn't a form of advertisement, it's a fan resource for those who appreciate the art work put into the game, both on paper and digital.

That's a dramatic and nonsensical reasoning, sorry.

It very much is a case of false advertising if he has no appearance in the game at all because the book clearly does not state that he is content that was cut (as they do with other content in the book) and yes, the book is a form of marketing in the form of a product.

A Character and Mission were mentioned being part of the CE, no specifics. The news that it was the Prothean occured after the release of the art book.

There is no mention in the book that the character would only be part of the CE.

Either way, all I wanted from anyone here was confirmation on whether or not the character appears - I don't care about what you think is marketing and false advertising, it's irrelevant to me.

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 01 mars 2012 - 03:39 .

[Liara T]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Actually that would be due to Game/Gamestation royally screwing fans out of their CE's/SE's.The boycott has had near zero impact/effect , Game's copies of ME3 have been sent to other stores/online stores.

And you know that it's had zero effect... how?

maybe because:

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Actually that would be due to Game/Gamestation royally screwing fans out of their CE's/SE's.The boycott has had near zero impact/effect , Game's copies of ME3 have been sent to other stores/online stores.

And you know that it's had zero effect... how?

Trust me if it had as much impact as you think it would From Ashes would be announced as free dlc by EA.I say again what has happened is Game has failed to secure ME3 copies CE's/SE's.In doing so what ever shipment they were going to get is being sent to other stores , which led to 360 copies being availiable again for a short time.

http://www.gamespot....ffect-3-6360577 

[Nharia1]

Its funny how many people are complaining about something that most of them, weren't going to ever get in the first place, but the BioWare was nice enough to say, 'you know what, lets allow people who didn't get the CE, to get their hand on this character.'

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Liara T wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Actually that would be due to Game/Gamestation royally screwing fans out of their CE's/SE's.The boycott has had near zero impact/effect , Game's copies of ME3 have been sent to other stores/online stores.

And you know that it's had zero effect... how?

maybe because:

Pretty much , Hey I don't buy everthing Bioware/EA tell me to.Heck I've only bought from them because of ME3 after this , I'll be looking else where at other games.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Nharia1 wrote...

Its funny how many people are complaining about something that most of them, weren't going to ever get in the first place, but the BioWare was nice enough to say, 'you know what, lets allow people who didn't get the CE, to get their hand on this character.'

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 01 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[myxxmasta]

the prothean wont appear in the game without dlc... its in the space edition thread on the spoiler group

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

myxxmasta wrote...

the prothean wont appear in the game without dlc... its in the space edition thread on the spoiler group

I thought bioware said he was suppose to appear after the end of the game.If not it's more proof he''s not that important to the core ME3 game.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 01 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[PARAGON87]

ElementL09 wrote...

I figure From Ashes DLC is very essential since Commander Shepard is the only person who understands the Prothean Language.

Not entirely.  It was never said that the Prothean language is unknown, there are many sites throughout the galaxy that have been inhabited by them, and even the hanar believe that they've given them language.

Liara studied the Protheans immensely, how do you know she doesn't know the language?  Possibly she can configure the language into the universal translator everyone has, and then people can understand him.

EDIT:  Plus on Ilos had a hologram (aside from Vigil), that spoke Prothean.  Who's to say that there aren't more out there?  Ilos was untouched for 50,000 years before Shepard and Saren arrived, there has to be a wealth of information on the Prothean language on that planet alone.

Modifié par PARAGON87, 01 mars 2012 - 03:55 .