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[Dragoonlordz]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Either way, all I wanted from anyone here was confirmation on whether or not the character appears - I don't care about what you think is marketing and false advertising, it's irrelevant to me.

But you brought the subject up... 

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

If I was them I'd be more concerend about the Activision situation.   If they win, that's gonna sting.

Seems like EA can't win right now.  Syndicate bombs, the investors are freaking out about ToR's massive expense and thus far fairly ho hum subscription levels, ME3 getting hit with negative publicity right before launch, the Game thing, and Activisions half billion dollar suit against them getting greenlit for trial...

I love it when a plan comes together.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

PARAGON87 wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

I figure From Ashes DLC is very essential since Commander Shepard is the only person who understands the Prothean Language.

Not entirely.  It was never said that the Prothean language is unknown, there are many sites throughout the galaxy that have been inhabited by them, and even the hanar believe that they've given them language.

Liara studied the Protheans immensely, how do you know she doesn't know the language?  Possibly she can configure the language into the universal translator everyone has, and then people can understand him.

He not going to be revealing anything we won't have already found out , because it's also said every loose end is wrapped up.That tells me  he's not that important to the core game.

[Dragoonlordz]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

myxxmasta wrote...

the prothean wont appear in the game without dlc... its in the space edition thread on the spoiler group

I thought bioware said he was suppose to appear after the end of the game.If not it's more proof he''s not that important to the core ME3 game.

No the proof they said was that most of the context and exposition about the protheans race and past brought up in previous titles is explained in the main game even without the DLC.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

If I was them I'd be more concerend about the Activision situation.   If they win, that's gonna sting.

Seems like EA can't win right now.  Syndicate bombs, the investors are freaking out about ToR's massive expense and thus far fairly ho hum subscription levels, ME3 getting hit with negative publicity right before launch, the Game thing, and Activisions half billion dollar suit against them getting greenlit for trial...

I love it when a plan comes together.

Yeah , but that's for EA to deal with.Bioware has zero control over what dlc is offered for free or what store it's sold at.EA's the one who determines all that stuff e. Bioware could say they'll release the dlc for free , EA could force them not to.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

fropas wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

We'll also see if ME3 is truly longer... or stuffed with filler (such as extended mandatory planet scanning).

You can't have it both ways though, dislike for filler content and dislike about missing out on more filler content. As they said all major plot and questions regarding Protheans is resolved in the main title, the character and what little extra exposition he might add is just filler content because of this.

I don't consider story (side or otherwise) to be "filler content" in a game.  Planet Scanning is not "story..." it's just filler.

Prothean character/mission = SIDE story.

Fixed

Fine with me.

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Yeah , but that's for EA to deal with.Bioware has zero control over what dlc is offered for free or what store it's sold at.EA's the one who determines all that stuff e. Bioware could say they'll release the dlc for free , EA could force them not to.

Agreed, and this is the problem Bioware is having.  Bioware can, and has, produced many great games, but EA is forcing all sort of policies and decrees on them, which is the same thing that happened to Mythic before them.  I'd rather not see Bioware go the same way Mythic did.

[Dragoonlordz]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

If I was them I'd be more concerend about the Activision situation.   If they win, that's gonna sting.

Seems like EA can't win right now.  Syndicate bombs, the investors are freaking out about ToR's massive expense and thus far fairly ho hum subscription levels, ME3 getting hit with negative publicity right before launch, the Game thing, and Activisions half billion dollar suit against them getting greenlit for trial...

I love it when a plan comes together.

Keep feeling that way if wish, I assume you have proof of every single thing you mentioned going against EA? Because half the claims you made earlier have been proven wrong so far.

Syndicate bombed. Show the proof?

Investors freaking out about SWTOR. Wheres the proof?

Low subscription rate on ToR. Proof?

ME3 negative publicity lasted few days and only most die hard couple dozen people still moaning. Is that your proof?

GAME thing not EA's fault, as previously mentioned Ubisoft and Nintendo also do not trust GAME anymore due to GAMES poor sales and earlier loss of credit insurance. Almost noone with common sense blames EA for GAMEs problem except those same die hards anti-EA members on here.

Your hope that Activision manages to win against EA in a lawsuit does not make it happen.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Yeah , but that's for EA to deal with.Bioware has zero control over what dlc is offered for free or what store it's sold at.EA's the one who determines all that stuff e. Bioware could say they'll release the dlc for free , EA could force them not to.

Agreed, and this is the problem Bioware is having.  Bioware can, and has, produced many great games, but EA is forcing all sort of policies and decrees on them, which is the same thing that happened to Mythic before them.  I'd rather not see Bioware go the same way Mythic did.

Neither would I , but I'm just saying Bioware at present has zero choice in the matter.I was just saying Bioware can't come out and say a different message than EA because that would send a bad message.

[ArkkAngel007]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...


It very much is a case of false advertising if he has no appearance in the game at all because the book clearly does not state that he is content that was cut (as they do with other content in the book) and yes, the book is a form of marketing in the form of a product.

A Character and Mission were mentioned being part of the CE, no specifics. The news that it was the Prothean occured after the release of the art book.

There is no mention in the book that the character would only be part of the CE.

Either way, all I wanted from anyone here was confirmation on whether or not the character appears - I don't care about what you think is marketing and false advertising, it's irrelevant to me.

Then why bring up the marketing and false advertisement argument if you are just going to shut out everyone else's opinions?  This is a discussion board.  If you didn't want anyone to post about it, then why post it in the first place?

And fyi, the Prothean was advertised initially when information on the CE was first posted.  That's how the majority of the forum knew of its existance.  A Prothean was in the original, conceptual phase script, though little of that plot really carried over.  The concept was always around for ME3, and part of the reason why they chose to revive a Prothean character as DLC, as it would take less additional resources.

But in case you missed it, no, he is not in the main game to our knowledge at this point.

[NeecHMonkeY]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Either way, all I wanted from anyone here was confirmation on whether or not the character appears - I don't care about what you think is marketing and false advertising, it's irrelevant to me.

But you brought the subject up... 

I brought the question up to see if there was an answer - I gave an explaination as to why I was asking the question and why it was important to me.

Outside of an answer to that question though, I don't actually care what anyone here has to say anymore - I will be voicing this concern directly to Bioware and EA now.

[LinksOcarina]

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

If I was them I'd be more concerend about the Activision situation.   If they win, that's gonna sting.

Seems like EA can't win right now.  Syndicate bombs, the investors are freaking out about ToR's massive expense and thus far fairly ho hum subscription levels, ME3 getting hit with negative publicity right before launch, the Game thing, and Activisions half billion dollar suit against them getting greenlit for trial...

I love it when a plan comes together.

The lawsuit is likely going to favor EA, because Activision has no ground to really sit on since they have no proof the guys from Infinity Ward were involved with EA contacts other than heresay information. Chances are they shall settle out of court in the end and EA will get a tidy sum for legal fees to be paid.

Syndicate sadly bombed because its coming out at a time where its too crowded, especially with EA releasing SSX and Mass Effect 3 in the coming weeks. Both of those games will outsell it easily just because of the time period. Kingdoms of Amalur for example was a success because it was back in the beginning of February, right after the Christmas Rush. If they delayed Syndicate to the summer where it was not as crowded, I think it would have sold better 

Granted, the old corridor shooter mechanics are not helping much, but from what I understand the game is damn adequate at what it does.

As for the bad publicity Mass Effect is getting, its moreso a knee jerk reaction over anything substantial. Sadly it may cut into profits a bit, but so far early reviews have been praise-worthy, the same may be seen after launch when we get more reviews.

And lets be honest, the game will still sell, maybe it shall push the series over the 10 million mark. 

As for GAME, I thought it was the company saying they are barring EA titles because they are trying to protect themselves from closing down in the end. But how they handled the whole thing is a big mistake on their part, since the company was already floundering to begin with and is just alienating customers by cancelling preorders on them. So that is GAME shooting themselves in the foot I believe. 

Is TOR really doing badly though, friends of mine on it are saying its pretty good?

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 01 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

If I was them I'd be more concerend about the Activision situation.   If they win, that's gonna sting.

Seems like EA can't win right now.  Syndicate bombs, the investors are freaking out about ToR's massive expense and thus far fairly ho hum subscription levels, ME3 getting hit with negative publicity right before launch, the Game thing, and Activisions half billion dollar suit against them getting greenlit for trial...

I love it when a plan comes together.

Keep feeling that way if wish, I assume you have proof of every single thing you mentioned going against EA? Because half the claims you made earlier have been proven wrong so far.

Syndicate bombed. Show the proof?

Investors freaking out about SWTOR. Wheres the proof?

Low subscription rate on ToR. Proof?

ME3 negative publicity lasted few days and only most die hard couple dozen people still moaning. Is that your proof?

GAME thing not EA's fault, as previously mentioned Ubisoft and Nintendo also do not trust GAME anymore due to GAMES poor sales and earlier loss of credit insurance. Almost noone with common sense blames EA for GAMEs problem except those same die hards anti-EA members on here.

Your hope that Activision manages to win against EA in a lawsuit does not make it happen.

No , after looking at other evidence EA isn't off the the hook either.Game screwed people on one of the dragon Age games , they knew this retailer could have a problem with getting ME3 CE's/SE's.Yet they didn't choose to act earlier and avoid the whole mess that has screwed people out of the version of the game they wanted.

(Store(Game)/Publisher(EA) are at fault for this situation ,however (Developer)Bioware is innocent of the current situation.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 01 mars 2012 - 04:14 .

[Nharia1]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

That's the way I view the whole thing.They never came out and said anyone paying for SE was going to be getting Prothean dlc or free dlc.But if people want to boycott fine , it's just Bioware/EA are far more concerned with the Game/Gamstation situation. 

I know what you mean about letting others do whatever they want, but it is really sad to see a company that can't live up to it's promise of providing its customers... This is one of the few times I'm glad my parents moved to America from England when I was 5.

[Renegade133]

This is why i always pre order with Eb games

[fropas]

Renegade133 wrote...

This is why i always pre order with Eb games

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

[Nharia1]

fropas wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

 

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

Really? I've always had great costumer service whenever I've been into any Gamestop.

[Dragoonlordz]

fropas wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

This is why i always pre order with Eb games

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

I always buy from Amazon when can, they always seem to be the cheapest.

Then again us lot buying from elsewhere due to GAME charging more is what led to the poor christmas sales (14% drop that period I heard) for them, which led to the cancelled credit insurance and that led on to this whole mess with changing their credit agreements with publishers and this caused many to lose what faith they had in their ability to fulfill their orders on credit. Final result is switching to retailers that do not pose a risk of defaulting on credit or shutting down with the publishers stock unpaid.

Within a day however all those new retail outlets ran out of most stock that was originally supposed to be filled by GAME especially with regard to the CE's while SE's will never run out as they will be reproduced for lifetime of the product.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 mars 2012 - 05:55 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Nharia1 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

 

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

Really? I've always had great costumer service whenever I've been into any Gamestop.

I've noticed in the past couple of years, GameStop customer interactions are much better.  I don't know if they lightened up the quotas enforced by regional supervisors or are attempting to hire more people interested in games than just workers, but whatever the case, I'm thankful for it.  That or I just live in a decent gamer community.

[fropas]

Nharia1 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

 

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

Really? I've always had great costumer service whenever I've been into any Gamestop.

 Eh, I could take it or leave it. I do a lot of my own research on games, so I never really talk to the cashiers.
 
I buy most my games used on Amazon now, so I'm totally spoiled by on-line prices and the sinful luxury of having my games delivered to me .

[Renegade133]

i donno i like stuff delivered i just like eb

[Nharia1]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Nharia1 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Renegade133 wrote...

 

They call Eb "Gamestop" where I live, but yeah it's nice to know I can at least trust them to not **** up my pre-order. . . I never thought I'd have something positive to say about Gamestop.

Really? I've always had great costumer service whenever I've been into any Gamestop.

I've noticed in the past couple of years, GameStop customer interactions are much better.  I don't know if they lightened up the quotas enforced by regional supervisors or are attempting to hire more people interested in games than just workers, but whatever the case, I'm thankful for it.  That or I just live in a decent gamer community.

Maybe all of them combined? I'm trying to get a job at a Gamestop in my area, and they tell me to try back during the summer, so I'm just going to keep pestering them, see if I can't get myself that job, cause I really like games, and helping people, and Gamestop is the only place I could really do that.

[Jaws_Victim]

I want to state again how unhappy I am with the ashes DLC announcement. I did not purchase TOR thanks to Dragon Age II, and I will not be purchasing ME3. I really liked Bioware before...recent events. But they seem hell bent on shoving me out the door in the favor of some other kind of customer.

[Dragoonlordz]

Jaws_Victim wrote...

I want to state again how unhappy I am with the ashes DLC announcement. I did not purchase TOR thanks to Dragon Age II, and I will not be purchasing ME3. I really liked Bioware before...recent events. But they seem hell bent on shoving me out the door in the favor of some other kind of customer.

Duly noted, hope you enjoy what other game buy instead. Have a nice day. 

[Renegade133]

lets see if we can get 500 pages before the launch !