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[matt-bassist]

HiroVoid wrote...

If it was developed after the core game, how come there are dialogue files for the Prothean in the leaks?

I would love to see a Dev response to this valid question...

[LinksOcarina]

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Simple question then. What is the date on the script?

And a better question then, is the leaked script the final product of the entire game? Because things change during development that may have perpetuated such a thing to happen. 

[El Ejcovero]

DJBare wrote...

And so begins damage control, hope you guys are on the ball, I think you got a big mess to clean up.

Yep, as I said, lock the thread where all the arguments for and against the issue were discussed...

[Yuoaman]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Could it be perhaps that he's in the game for story purposes but having the DLC allows you to convince him to join your squad? As a CE pre-orderer from July and knowing I'd get a bonus character I'd be a little slighted if they made it free to everyone. $10 for something offered to the CE buyers who pay an extra $20 is acceptable to me. It's not the end of the world, guys.

His entire existence is tied into the DLC, if you don't have it installed he doesn't exist in your game.

[Farbautisonn]

I just want to know that:

a) they didnt yank the prothean out of a freezer or a cloning box. I cant stand unoriginality of that magnitude.

they have a metric ton of lore to go with him, since he is the sole survivor (or at the very least one of a few) of a race that everyone in the universe has so long aspired to undestand.

c) failing a) and that he ISNT on the CE.

[Redzhuel]

bboynexus wrote...

THERE'S A REASON WHY THE LEAKED SCRIPT CONTAINS PROTHEAN DIALOGUE.

IT'S STILL IN THE MAIN GAME.

SIMPLY NOT AS A SQUAD-MATE AND WITHOUT IT'S OWN MISSION.

So? The point is all this was well developed during the main development cycle. Thus it is part of the game that was removed and is now planned on being sold alongside the game. This is absolutley atrocious and I for one will be showing Bioware how I much I disapprove by not buying this game.

[Candidate 88766]

matt-bassist wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

If it was developed after the core game, how come there are dialogue files for the Prothean in the leaks?

I would love to see a Dev response to this valid question...

There was a fair chunk of Kasumi dialogue, and stuff from LotSB, in ME2. 

[HiroVoid]

El Ejcovero wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

I think Mike's wording is very deliberate here:

SQUAD MATE.

Not CHARACTER.

Day one DLC is still wrong, unethical. Definitely boycott
worthy. Also locking threads where the discussion where all the arguments for
and against this issue were discussed is very slimy... Many have cancelled
their preorders over this, I hope you are considering what you are doing
Bioware.

There's still plenty of arguments about it in open threads.  People just need to get organized, and put it all in one thread.

[JEMEDAOME2]

Prothoeon Squaddie a return a to Eden Prime I like the sound of that, and all you guys who are complaining. it's kinda late to moan about DLC and direction game devs are going Publishers and Devs need to recoup money from preowned sales and get people playing their games longer. compared to other dlc from people like Activision and Squeenix 800 MS is actually kinda cheap and i doubt there would be a big hole in the plot because one character wasn't recruited.
When you think it about neither Kasami or Zeed contributed much outside their own questlines so while this Protheon is a nice addition it is not a main reason for me buying the game If you grade a game on the qualtity of it's DLC rather than the game itself then somthing is wrong with you guys

[bboynexus]

You'll buy it.

[Dionkey]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

$60 - bargain
$70 - OUTRAGE

You clearly missed the part where I pointed out that you're paying for 1/6 of the price of the game for not even 1/20 of the content.

On its own, the DLC seems expensively priced.

However, given that ME3 itself is going to have great value for money content-wise, I don't get the uproar. If $60 for ME3 is a really good deal, then surely $70 for ME3 is still a pretty good deal - and you get an extra character.

$60 is not an outrage because I'm getting a significant amount of content for that price. However, the extra $10 isn't justified for the simple fact that it doesn't land anywhere close to what $10 of the original game got me.

$60 - significant amount of content
$70 - slightly more signifcant amount of content

Even if the $10 of extra content is expensive, you're still getting a lot of content for $70. Its more than $60, and there's not all that much extra, but its still probably going to be a pretty good deal. 

Think of it this way - if you think that $60 for ME3 is a pretty good deal, then $70 for ME3 is still a rather good deal surely?

You sound like the kind of guy who would get ripped off if someone was selling you something, suddenly charged more, and then you bought it anyway. Here's an example:

Me: Can I get $60 of beef, please.
Clerk: Sure, that's $10 per two pounds.
Me: That's fine, thanks.
Clerk: Oh, the final pound will cost you can extra $10.
Me: What? Why?
Clerk: That's just how it is.

Do you really embrace this kind of logic?

[Zanath]

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

It deserves to be quoted again, as it's the truth. Each step along the slippery slope we allow, is just shooting ourselves (as consumer and as people who enjoy quality games) in the foot.

[Daywalker315]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

$60 - bargain
$70 - OUTRAGE

You clearly missed the part where I pointed out that you're paying for 1/6 of the price of the game for not even 1/20 of the content.

On its own, the DLC seems expensively priced.

However, given that ME3 itself is going to have great value for money content-wise, I don't get the uproar. If $60 for ME3 is a really good deal, then surely $70 for ME3 is still a pretty good deal - and you get an extra character.

$60 is not an outrage because I'm getting a significant amount of content for that price. However, the extra $10 isn't justified for the simple fact that it doesn't land anywhere close to what $10 of the original game got me.

$60 - significant amount of content
$70 - slightly more signifcant amount of content

Even if the $10 of extra content is expensive, you're still getting a lot of content for $70. Its more than $60, and there's not all that much extra, but its still probably going to be a pretty good deal. 

Think of it this way - if you think that $60 for ME3 is a pretty good deal, then $70 for ME3 is still a rather good deal surely?

If you can't justify the extra $10, then don't get it. But it's not worth not buying the game at all over this. People are so worked up. If Prothy is in the game for story purposes anyway (just guessing) and the DLC just allows you to recruit him to your squad, the non-buyers won't miss THAT much anyway. Also remember it has a new gun and squad armor pack, as well as some kind of special mission for/with the Prothean, so $10 isn't a terrible deal.

Either way, if $10 is too much, you don't have to buy it. It will still be a stellar experience for $60.

[essplode]

I'll be paying close attention to this issue for a while. I am definitely considering cancelling my pre-order.

I would be willing to ignore this (though I still wouldn't like it) if it wasn't a PROTHEAN being cut from the game!

[ironcreed2]

Leaser Resael wrote...

The prothean and eden prime was in the leaked script which bioware said many times that was really "old". It wasn't completed until after the main game? Yeah right...

All the evidence I need.

[JosephCurwen]

Yuoaman wrote...

I still don't understand what was wrong with how ME2 was released, you got a lot of extra stuff for buying the game new, but you could also get it all for $10 by buying the Cerberus Network code if you bought the game used. This is just a silly business practice as things stand.

They think they will make more money this way.

They may well do so.

[Leaser Resael]

Atakuma wrote...

If nothing else, I admire the nerve you guys must have to lie in our faces like this.

Exactly, I can't understand how people can defend this, the Prothean and Eden Prime were already in the "very old script"  so it wasn't made by a separate team (at least the writing).
People, you need to understand that if you let this kind of things happen, they will keep doing them and every time will only get worse.

[Amikae]

Draconis6666 wrote...

JosephCurwen wrote...

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

Very well put.

Then be prepared to pay $70 to $80 for the standard version of the game, Games take a tremendous amount of money to develop now days and their sale price has stayed remarkably low when you take inflation and the increasing price of other luxury goods as a comparison.

You seem to forget, that gaming has the largest growing and most profitable market out there. It's not like 10 years ago. They sell millions of copies. So your argument is completely invalid. They will sell millions of copies of ME3, that will make them hundrets of millions of dollars in profits. And that's without counting all the DLC's they will flood us with for 5-10$ each. Poor EA/BioWare.

[Strephon Gentry]

If I wasn't already getting the CE, I'd buy it anyway.

My money, my choice.

[Iyerbeth]

JEMEDAOME2 wrote...

Prothoeon Squaddie a return a to Eden Prime I like the sound of that, and all you guys who are complaining. it's kinda late to moan about DLC and direction game devs are going Publishers and Devs need to recoup money from preowned sales and get people playing their games longer.

I don't think there'd be almost any complaints if it was added as a one time code to help create more new sales, and money from used as with ME2.

[Redzhuel]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Simple question then. What is the date on the script?

And a better question then, is the leaked script the final product of the entire game? Because things change during development that may have perpetuated such a thing to happen. 

When confronted with some of the bad aspects of the dialouge in the leaked scripts the Bioware devs quickly came forward and said that the leaked script was from an earlier version of the game and did not constitute the release product. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the Prothean and all of his dialouge was created during the development cycle and NOT after.

[DJBare]

EA/Bioware, what you have done is confused a lot of people, we learn that Prothy is in game just not as a squad member, people learned back some time ago he was going to be in, then your marketing tells us he is going to be DLC, naturally people assume he is not in the actual game unless they get the DLC, it's extremely poor marketing.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[janeway11]

This is a Spoiler Thread. I know yet this DLC is about Eden Prime.

[El Ejcovero]

Zanath wrote...

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

It deserves to be quoted again, as it's the truth. Each step along the slippery slope we allow, is just shooting ourselves (as consumer and as people who enjoy quality games) in the foot.

And all this was discussed until slimy mods decided to lock the topic, damage control! The fire is out of control! 

[PaulSX]

I really do not like how EA/Bioware handles business. Why develop a character so sensitive in the lore and make it optional.