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H1natachan wrote...
booom!! 500 yet ?
Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 01 mars 2012 - 12:50 .
Lord Aesir wrote...
The book never says "This character will be a squadmate in the base game" does it? Your extrapolation that everything in the book without a disclaimer otherwise was in the game was wrong. That's entirely on you.
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
The book never says "This character will be a squadmate in the base game" does it? Your extrapolation that everything in the book without a disclaimer otherwise was in the game was wrong. That's entirely on you.
No it doesn't and I never said it did and that's why if the Prothean still appeared in the game I wouldn't be that upset... but he doesn't unless you pay for him.
The book makes special mention of other content that was removed from the game or not entirely developed but why not the Prothean? Why does the Prothean get 3 pages of content if he's not that important or even in the base game?
Sure, it doesn't say the exact words "The Prothean is in Mass Effect 3" but it also doesn't say the words "The Prothean is not in Mass Effect 3". The book doesn't say the exact words "Ashley Williams and Liara T'soni are in Mass Effect 3" but by reading the book, one would easily assume they are unlike the Cybernetic version of TIM which the book clearly states is not a part of the final game.
That's not on me, I'm just the customer who is expected to believe what is presented to me by the company that wants my patronage. My judgements and assumptions are based on the information given to me and the information in the book suggested that the Prothean was a part of the final game.
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
H1natachan wrote...
BaronIveagh wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
Yeah , but that's for EA to deal with.Bioware has zero control over what dlc is offered for free or what store it's sold at.EA's the one who determines all that stuff e. Bioware could say they'll release the dlc for free , EA could force them not to.
Agreed, and this is the problem Bioware is having. Bioware can, and has, produced many great games, but EA is forcing all sort of policies and decrees on them, which is the same thing that happened to Mythic before them. I'd rather not see Bioware go the same way Mythic did.
Surely Bioware must have at least some idea what they were getting into when E.A. bought the company ?
Not every marriage is perfect, if only Bioware had the nerve or financial power to remove themselves from E.A. 's clutches.
Okay, E.A. has good distribution and marketing clout and makes people aware of the product. I feel that this whole dlc debacle was enforced by E.A. themselves, so really our anger should be directed at E.A. and not Bioware.
Tell that to the people that had their orders cancelled because of Game/Gamestation.But yeah of course Bioware knew , but Bioware had taken add-on/dlc releasing steps well before EA.
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LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
There is this thing called The Chiper which only Shepard, Liara and Shaila have...
And that was for comprehending the beacons, which were neural-interface devices designed to work with Prothean brains. Learning the Prothean language was just a side-effect of acquiring the Cipher, not some ability exclusive to having it.
Yeah , I guess that's one thing to keep in mind about it.
Evercrow wrote...
LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
ZX12r Ninja wrote...
There is this thing called The Chiper which only Shepard, Liara and Shaila have...
And that was for comprehending the beacons, which were neural-interface devices designed to work with Prothean brains. Learning the Prothean language was just a side-effect of acquiring the Cipher, not some ability exclusive to having it.
Yeah , I guess that's one thing to keep in mind about it.
Wait,why do you think beacon/Cipher gave knowledge of Prothean language?Because of Vigil?But he said he monitored communications before dialogue with Shepard,he's not speaking Prothean, and all members of the squad could understand him too.
I'm actually interested, how they will play out the language barrier at first meeting with Javik.Translating device,with integrated VI or something? Or adaptating/learning period, where they have to talk through gestures and Liara?(cool,but less probable)
Evercrow wrote...
Wait,why do you think beacon/Cipher gave knowledge of Prothean language?
Modifié par didymos1120, 01 mars 2012 - 12:59 .
DaUglyHamstar wrote...
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
The book never says "This character will be a squadmate in the base game" does it? Your extrapolation that everything in the book without a disclaimer otherwise was in the game was wrong. That's entirely on you.
No it doesn't and I never said it did and that's why if the Prothean still appeared in the game I wouldn't be that upset... but he doesn't unless you pay for him.
The book makes special mention of other content that was removed from the game or not entirely developed but why not the Prothean? Why does the Prothean get 3 pages of content if he's not that important or even in the base game?
Sure, it doesn't say the exact words "The Prothean is in Mass Effect 3" but it also doesn't say the words "The Prothean is not in Mass Effect 3". The book doesn't say the exact words "Ashley Williams and Liara T'soni are in Mass Effect 3" but by reading the book, one would easily assume they are unlike the Cybernetic version of TIM which the book clearly states is not a part of the final game.
That's not on me, I'm just the customer who is expected to believe what is presented to me by the company that wants my patronage. My judgements and assumptions are based on the information given to me and the information in the book suggested that the Prothean was a part of the final game.
Do you have any idea how much artwork and content is usualy rejected during development?
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
But that's not the case here and you all damn well know it - you just won't admit to it because you just want everyone to shut up so you can play your game in peace.
Yeah, i forgot that moment,haven't played ME1 for quite some time.I remember it being scrambled hologram or something,similar to beacon vision.Did squadmates at least seen it or it was like individual hallucination for Shepard? But still,leaves language barrier between Javik and other crewmates.Can be fun.didymos1120 wrote...
Evercrow wrote...
Wait,why do you think beacon/Cipher gave knowledge of Prothean language?
Because the game says so when you find the Prothean recording at the security station on Ilos. Shep understands it, the squadmates don't.
Shunt Mcblunt wrote...
Here is a quote to all you all those complaining: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY THE GAME OR PIRATE COPY THE GAME. IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOUR CONVICTIONS LEAVE THE FORUMS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. CHANGE HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE MAKE STAND NOT CRY.
So please just stop your whining we are running out of cheese. Let see a cooperation like EA or Bioware is always going to find a way to get money from you because that is their job. No, the past can never be used to justify actions of consumers. Past only works in court cases. Times change, Cost change, and Society changes get over it and move on.
This is a Rant so it can be ignored: You kids do not how good you got it compared to me growing up. Not till I was 12 did a color game system come out. We played that thing till the one button on the controller broke. Now a days you kids have been offered everything and you cry about not getting it for free. Sorry but I do not feel your pain and will not shed a tear for you.
Modifié par Hardwired, 01 mars 2012 - 01:06 .
didymos1120 wrote...
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
But that's not the case here and you all damn well know it - you just won't admit to it because you just want everyone to shut up so you can play your game in peace.
Um, yeah, that imputed motive makes zero sense. Anyone can play the game in peace by just, you know, not coming here.
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
As a concept artist in the games industry... yes, yes I do. And it's heartbreaking sometimes to see hard work not going into the final game.
But that's not the case here and you all damn well know it - you just won't admit to it because you just want everyone to shut up so you can play your game in peace. The fact that the Prothean exists as DLC now tells you that he was fully developed for the game.
The main reason you guys are disagreeing with me is because it's now after the fact and your swallowing the info that Bioware/EA is giving you. That he was always intended as DLC and somehow miraculously developed in the month between the game finishing development and the DLC leak on Xbox Live.
Ironic, because it was swallowing the information that Bioware/EA was giving prior to the DLC announcement that led me to believe that the Prothean was a part of the final game.
Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 01 mars 2012 - 01:09 .
Evercrow wrote...
Yeah, i forgot that moment,haven't played ME1 for quite some time.I remember it being scrambled hologram or something,similar to beacon vision.Did squadmates at least seen it or it was like individual hallucination for Shepard? But still,leaves language barrier between Javik and other crewmates.Can be fun.didymos1120 wrote...
Evercrow wrote...
Wait,why do you think beacon/Cipher gave knowledge of Prothean language?
Because the game says so when you find the Prothean recording at the security station on Ilos. Shep understands it, the squadmates don't.
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Concept artist in the game industry are you? Somehow I find that odd to believe in the way you think game development operates.
And there was nothing miraculous about how it was developed. There were assets available to them prior, and it wasn't just made after the entire game was completed and off to certification. There was development staff allocated during the debugging crunch period that was no longer needed.
You want to have your opinion on here, fine. But don't get offended when you get a reply that exposes suddenly that it isn't the brilliant argument you thought it would be, and make uneducated assumptions about what the situation is.
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
My concept art blog is right down there in my signature for all to see and visit - v
obie191970 wrote...
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
My concept art blog is right down there in my signature for all to see and visit - v
Page does not exist.
"FROM ASHES" THREAD IN STEEP DECLINE!!!
There is redirect there to the actual blog.But,Neech,you should update your signatureobie191970 wrote...
NeecHMonkeY wrote...
My concept art blog is right down there in my signature for all to see and visit - v
Page does not exist.
"FROM ASHES" THREAD IN STEEP DECLINE!!!
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