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[Shunt Mcblunt]

Well if you are a grown adult and have problems with DLC then you got off the technology bus. Do you wear plaid pants and talk about the good old days? How about yelling at kids to get off your grass?

History shows Corps want you to work harder, for less money, and longer hours. So them trying to make a profit is not a major thing. So stop crying "Omg, I must pay for day 1 DLC."

[obie191970]

Hardwired wrote...

Really man, are you new here?

Kind of a silly question with everyone's join date under their avatar.  But in the meantime, you should read Bioware's updated code of conduct.  

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

I just did.

Just in case though: http://neechart.blogspot.com/

 

Thanks.

[nirwin9]

Shunt Mcblunt wrote...

Here is a quote to all you all those complaining: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY THE GAME OR PIRATE COPY THE GAME. IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN YOUR CONVICTIONS LEAVE THE FORUMS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. CHANGE HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE MAKE STAND NOT CRY.

So please just stop your whining we are running out of cheese. Let see a cooperation like EA or Bioware is always going to find a way to get money from you because that is their job. No, the past can never be used to justify actions of consumers. Past only works in court cases. Times change, Cost change, and Society changes get over it and move on.

One day people might realise that putting a block of text in capitals tends to make a reader inclined to skip/ignore that users entire post. However, I bravely ploughed on.

We won't leave the forums because we have a different view, the point of a forum is to express ones views and hear the views of others, if this concept is not agreeable to you, you have the freedom to follow your own advice and leave the forum.

Of course EA/Bioware want our money. Of course we should give them our money if we want the goods they offer. Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on the way they present those costs and the ethics of their business model.
If they had upped the price of the game (all versions, all platforms) by £10 and included this prothean stuff "for free" I wouldn't have the slightest moral reservation. It would still be cheaper than TOR, be much better (personal opinion, never played it so loosely held opinion),  AND not involve a subscription cost.

EA/Bioware have every right to control how they want to sell their product. We as consumers have every right to say what and how we will and won't pay. We also have a lot of power in that regard, if we work in unison. It's politics, it's economics, for the devs/publishers, pricing is a balancing act.
I don't understand why some of you are so indignant about a consumer discussing with fellow consumers about where they personally draw the line. You draw it somewhere else? Fine good for you, I'll happily hear your view, you should happily hear ours and possibly be grateful that your sensibilities haven't been so offended that you won't be picking up what will undoubtedly be a great game, on release day, due to the pesky notion of making a stand on a principle.

It's like we are threatening your livelihoods or something.

End of rant.

Oh and happy 500 pages!

[Hardwired]

obie191970 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Really man, are you new here?

Kind of a silly question with everyone's join date under their avatar.  But in the meantime, you should read Bioware's updated code of conduct.  

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

I just did.

Just in case though: http://neechart.blogspot.com/

 

Thanks.

I refering to your experience of the internet as a whole. Seeing as a redirect that was blatanty apparent escaped you.

Oh, and yeah. Pot, kettle, black.

[miniy2j]

Someone pointed out earlier that bioware/EA is doing exactly what Volition did with Saints Row the third with their day one dlc actually being carved from the game. I had already pre-ordered the game and had no idea that this was the case got home and realized that there were actual components of the game, that were usually there missing.They were cheats that Volition was trying to sell at some price or another and i refused to buy them, instead using trainers and implementing their silly little "pay to become a superhero where bullets can't harm you and being blown up doesn't effect you". I have since refused to pay for any extra dlc that volition brings out for SR3, and I loved the Saints Row series. (That and they killed Gat, and if Shaundi isn't in the next game due to some silly...very stupid plot line then I'm refusing to buy the next game as it is now I'm up in the air for whether i will purchase the game (SR4) or not.)
This practice of taking core files out of the game and then trying to pass it off as extra content is unethical and deserves to boycotted.

I personally don't believe that this is something that EA/Bioware will ever do, it's a character, one of biowares extra characters with a few lines of extra dialogue. They are not forcing you to purchase extra endings, they are not making you purchase cheats, they are also not making you purchase anything that will effect your game play in anyway shape or form. One is unethical, the other one is just business and at the end of the day I can deal with just business. The moment Bioware starts carving out their games then that is the day I refuse to stop supporting them.

[Hardwired]

Shunt Mcblunt wrote...

Well if you are a grown adult and have problems with DLC then you got off the technology bus. Do you wear plaid pants and talk about the good old days? How about yelling at kids to get off your grass?

History shows Corps want you to work harder, for less money, and longer hours. So them trying to make a profit is not a major thing. So stop crying "Omg, I must pay for day 1 DLC."

I'm gonna take a wild stab here and say that your a teenager at most. At least by the way you express yourself.

But besides that.
Yes, progress is good. Things change, evolve and move on. But that doesn't mean all change is good. If someone has an opinion that a certain aspect that is being changed is not a good thing, then I damn well hope they express their opinion against it. Anything less would just make us out to be the consuming sheep that alot of people these days are.
Thats not to say that any opinion here is incorrect or not. Thats the nature of debate.
But saying that all change is progress, thats just dumb.

[Klimy]

didymos1120 wrote...

Evercrow wrote...

Wait,why do you think beacon/Cipher gave knowledge of Prothean language?

Because the game says so when you find the Prothean recording at the security station on Ilos. Shep understands it; the squadmates don't.

Beacon didnt give knowledge of prothean language, it contained information of reaper invasion and research base on Ilios.
Cipher was given to Shep by Shiala who got it from Thorian on Feros.

Liara didnt learn the Cipher from Shep (she only helped Shep to understand the messages from beacon). So unless you killed Shiala, there are only two persons who can understand Protheans.

[obie191970]

Hardwired wrote...
I refering to your experience of the internet as a whole. Seeing as a redirect that was blatanty apparent escaped you.

On the contrary, I was letting him know it was a bad link.

Hardwired wrote...
But besides that.
Yes, progress is good. Things change, evolve and move on. But that doesn't mean all change is good. If someone has an opinion that a certain aspect that is being changed is not a good thing, then I damn well hope they express their opinion against it. Anything less would just make us out to be the consuming sheep that alot of people these days are.
Thats not to say that any opinion here is incorrect or not. Thats the nature of debate.
But saying that all change is progress, thats just dumb.

The best way  to do that is with your wallet.  But we are way past the point of changing the current DLC model.  Day 1 DLC has become more common than not.  As miniy2j points out above, companies like Volition are slicing off portions of the game and nickel and diming you to death with gun and outfit DLC's.  Gotham City Imposters had something like 200 day 1 DLC's available - And all of them were unlockable in the game.  This is the fourth game in a row that Bioware has released Day 1 DLC and only one of them was free with the standard $60 purchase.

So, as it is with every purchase, people have to decide whether or not the money is worth the product being offered.  I have no problem whatsoever with Day 1 DLC if it is handled correctly.  I think Bioware pulled a sneaky move by making him a Prothean.  Anyone who has spent time with the series would want that.  Hell, I'd even want a Batarian with hopes that I could shoot the foureyes in the face at some point.  Smart marketing, crappy fan service.

[Evercrow]

obie191970 wrote...

So, as it is with every purchase, people have to decide whether or not the money is worth the product being offered.  I have no problem whatsoever with Day 1 DLC if it is handled correctly.  I think Bioware pulled a sneaky move by making him a Prothean.  Anyone who has spent time with the series would want that.  Hell, I'd even want a Batarian with hopes that I could shoot the foureyes in the face at some point.  Smart marketing, crappy fan service.

miniy2j wrote...


This practice of taking core files out of the game and then trying to pass it off as
extra content is unethical and deserves to boycotted.

I personally don't believe that this is something that EA/Bioware will
ever do, it's a character, one of biowares extra characters with a few
lines of extra dialogue. They are not forcing you to purchase extra
endings, they are not making you purchase cheats, they are also not
making you purchase anything that will effect your game play in anyway
shape or form. One is unethical, the other one is just business and at
the end of the day I can deal with just business. The moment Bioware
starts carving out their games then that is the day I refuse to stop
supporting them.

nirwin9 wrote...


Of course EA/Bioware want our money. Of course we should give them our money if we want the goods they offer.
Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on the way they present those costs and the ethics of their business model.If they had upped the price of the game (all versions, all platforms) by £10 and included this
prothean stuff "for free" I wouldn't have the slightest moral reservation. It would still be cheaper than TOR, be much better (personal opinion, never played it so loosely held opinion),  AND not involve a subscription cost.

Quoted for truth. You guys are late for 1 page,could've been great summarizer for the thread)
After the dust is set, that's pretty much how most of us will feel.
I know I am,for one. And Hail to True Neutral camp.

PS: also kudos to Jehovahkin and fropas,nice roleplaying on 497-498 .After you make something comical, it no longer leaves bad aftertaste)

Modifié par Evercrow, 01 mars 2012 - 02:59 .

[Mike Shepard]

and we're back to fighting.

again.

Guys let's go back in time to page 400 where everyone was being nice

[kaos94]

I honestly don't give af. Day 1 DLC just sounds good to me. More content more playtime. I'm trying to acquire as much DLC as possible. I can understand your frustration but do not share it. I mean I bought the CE, but I woulda gotten it either way. And the rest are right too. Money is money to Devs and Publishers alike. S*** thats the goal make as much money as possible off your confidently strong title. But ultimately fans will b upset. Risk part of being in business

[Ar7emis]

kaos94 wrote...
I can understand your frustration but do not share it.

Are you for real? The whole point of a forum is feedback, discussion and criticism. Just because you're willing to accept EA/Bioware's extortion that doesn't mean you should impose it as gospel over those of us who can see it for what it is - a cash-grab.

[GuyIncognito21]

KylieDog wrote...

I see this DLC as two possible things:

1. Important to the story, in which case totally unacceptable you need pay extra for it, should be fre to new copy buyers or just part of the game given that it is ready day one.

2. Not important to the story, which as a Prothean makes it terrible terrible DLC, which is not good either especially given the price.

This is really what it boils down to for me.  If it's awesome and integral to the story then it should be packaged with the game.

If they resurrected the protheans only to give them something tangential and irrelevant to do, then it shouldn't exist at all, and they certainly shouldn't be asking 17% of the entire game price for it.

[BaronIveagh]

Oh well, I missed 500 while I was at work.

And, again, the relevance of any character is a rather personal perspective.

[kaos94]

Ar7emis wrote...

kaos94 wrote...
I can understand your frustration but do not share it.

Are you for real? The whole point of a forum is feedback, discussion and criticism. Just because you're willing to accept EA/Bioware's extortion that doesn't mean you should impose it as gospel over those of us who can see it for what it is - a cash-grab.

With that being said, I rest my case

[nirwin9]

kaos94 wrote...

Ar7emis wrote...

kaos94 wrote...
I can understand your frustration but do not share it.

Are you for real? The whole point of a forum is feedback, discussion and criticism. Just because you're willing to accept EA/Bioware's extortion that doesn't mean you should impose it as gospel over those of us who can see it for what it is - a cash-grab.

With that being said, I rest my case

It did come across initially as you telling people not to share their frustrations, which is obviously something you would have no real right to do. However after a re-read, it would seem that you were just saying you don't share those frustrations. Easy to see how someone could get the wrong end of that stick.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Depending on how you look at it, Bioware earned the right to do things how they're doing it for Mass Effect 3. If there was one game in their current library that wouldn't hurt from milking, it'd be ME3.

That said, they'll be back at square one on their next game and will have to earn that level of milkability again... from scratch...


Heck, they may even be at square one when it comes to additional ME3 DLC.  If Shepard dies at the end (have no idea if he does or not), then I see no point in playing ME3 any further as far as content is concerned.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 01 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[scoobadude]

Hooray we made it! And now, you can all continue fighting amongst yourselves ^.^

[moviebuff3000]

Ok. First off Bioware is not extorting because you have the choice to buy or not to buy. To be extorted is if you are told one price that is cheaper and end up paying a price that is more than what you are told than that is extortion. Do people think that it is fair that they buy the SE that they should get free dlc when other people that pay more for the CE shouldnt get the DLC for free? The people that get the CE were promised this DLC and we shall get it for free only because we paid more for the CE. Now ungrateful people are complaining that $10 is too expensive for the DLC. Now IF it was only the Prothean and the mission than I could see complaints but there is other stuff in the pack that you can use or not which is your choice. People need to understand that devs are under a time constraint when it comes to making games they most likely cut stuff that they didnt have time to test or finish just like a movie. Maybe something didnt make sense or something did make sense but time restraints told them to cut it and add it later if needs be.

Now it was promised for the CE that there will be a squadmate and mission added to it and BW ran out of time to finish it so they gave it to another group to work on and so the reason there are pieces of the Prothean in the game and not him actually. People learn of things and jump to their own conclusions without really thinking about it and start to rant and rave and yell conspiracy or extortion. I am sure that the people that worked hard on the DLC want to get paid also so they charge for it. I am sure you would want to get paid if you worked hard on something only to find out that it maybe given out as free to everyone. If you wrote a book or painted a picture and had the publisher or art gallery start giving out all of your copies for free, how would that make you feel?

Now if you paid the extra $20 for the VIP pass they throw in extras to compensate for that and even throw in a copy of your book or painting for free than you know that only some people would get a free copy as others would have to pay so that you can make money from it. Now you would also have to give a cut to the publisher or the art gallery for them to make a profit also.

Do you work for free? No. Neither does Bioware or any other game dev either for that matter. Do you want to be paid? Yes. So does Bioware and any other game dev also. Would you like your boss to tell you that you wont get a paycheck this week because they didnt make a profit this month so not everyone will be getting paid? Think about this before you yell extortion or conspiracy for the next games.

[Dragoonlordz]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Depending on how you look at it, Bioware earned the right to do things how they're doing it for Mass Effect 3. If there was one game in their current library that wouldn't hurt from milking, it'd be ME3.

That said, they'll be back at square one on their next game and will have to earn that level of milkability again... from scratch...


Heck, they may even be at square one when it comes to additional ME3 DLC.  If Shepard dies at the end (have no idea if he does or not), then I see no point in playing ME3 any further as far as content is concerned.

I believe they said won't be DLC for after end of game. All DLC will probably be before reach the end but I am not sure, just recall someone saying wasn't planned (after) end of game DLC..

[wrdnshprd]

ive already said my peace on this.. i just wish chris preasly would have stated/restated their position on the gamespot podcast.. unfortunately the DLC was never brought up.

[rogueryan]

Can someone clarify for me if this dlc comes with the origin digital deluxe edition?

[Hokochu]

Since people have apparently already beaten the game (space edition I guess), can anyone confirm whether or not the Prothean appears/plays a role in the game WITHOUT the DLC? This is a very large point of concern for me.

[satros-13]

rogueryan wrote...

Can someone clarify for me if this dlc comes with the origin digital deluxe edition?

Yes it does.