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[Mr. Gogeta34]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Depending on how you look at it, Bioware earned the right to do things how they're doing it for Mass Effect 3. If there was one game in their current library that wouldn't hurt from milking, it'd be ME3.

That said, they'll be back at square one on their next game and will have to earn that level of milkability again... from scratch...


Heck, they may even be at square one when it comes to additional ME3 DLC.  If Shepard dies at the end (have no idea if he does or not), then I see no point in playing ME3 any further as far as content is concerned.

I believe they said won't be DLC for after end of game. All DLC will probably be before reach the end but I am not sure, just recall someone saying wasn't planned (after) end of game DLC..

I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

[obie191970]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

All of ME2's DLC were middle of the game content and were excellent.

[AlanC9]

obie191970 wrote...
  I think Bioware pulled a sneaky move by making him a Prothean.  Anyone who has spent time with the series would want that.

Almost anyone. I always saw a prothean companion as kind of cheesy, and I'm glad he's DLC so I won't have him.

Which is not an argument either for or against this DLC; it's just my personal taste.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

All of ME2's DLC were middle of the game content and were excellent.

The story wasn't completed with ME2.  and a number of those DLCs were there as "bridge into ME3" DLC.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 01 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[AlanC9]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

You're only playing once?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

You're only playing once?

Probably not... but my first playthrough is my canon run.  Once that story's done, it's done.

[BaronIveagh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I believe they said won't be DLC for after end of game. All DLC will probably be before reach the end but I am not sure, just recall someone saying wasn't planned (after) end of game DLC..

They also didn't plan on any multi-player, either.  It leaves them open to re-write the ending if the current one bombs.

[obie191970]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

All of ME2's DLC were middle of the game content and were excellent.

Arrival wasn't (at least not only)

Yeah, the story changes a little bit to make it work and you can't do it until after Horizon.  But either way, I like having the option to play them when I want and prefer them during the middle of the game.  I feel that the Collector base should be the last thing I'm doing in ME2.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

All of ME2's DLC were middle of the game content and were excellent.

Arrival wasn't (at least not only)

Yeah, the story changes a little bit to make it work and you can't do it until after Horizon.  But either way, I like having the option to play them when I want and prefer them during the middle of the game.  I feel that the Collector base should be the last thing I'm doing in ME2.

Yeah, all of ME2's DLC apparently plays a part in the trilogy's final chapter... no subsequent ME3 DLC can say the same thing... at least not in the same way.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 01 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[obie191970]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

All of ME2's DLC were middle of the game content and were excellent.

Arrival wasn't (at least not only)

Yeah, the story changes a little bit to make it work and you can't do it until after Horizon.  But either way, I like having the option to play them when I want and prefer them during the middle of the game.  I feel that the Collector base should be the last thing I'm doing in ME2.

Yeah, all of ME2's DLC apparently plays a part in the trilogy's final chapter... no subsequent ME3 DLC can say the same thing.

"Mass Effect 4 - Commander Shepard's Long Lost Sibling."  Just sayin.....

Seriously though, they have said to hold onto our ME3 saves.  We'll see what for at some point.

[AlanC9]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
I heard that too... and that's what I mean.  I could care less about additional "middle-of-the-game" content that's part of a story I've already completed.

You're only playing once?

Probably not... but my first playthrough is my canon run.  Once that story's done, it's done.

Gotcha.

This sounds like you're better off if all DLC is available day 1, so it all gets into your canon playthrough.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

obie191970 wrote...
"Mass Effect 4 - Commander Shepard's Long Lost Sibling."  Just sayin.....

Seriously though, they have said to hold onto our ME3 saves.  We'll see what for at some point.

Ah man, lol.  Even if that happened though, it'd have to tie into it and answer some questions/bridge the gap.

AlanC9 wrote...
Gotcha.

This sounds like you're better off if all DLC is available day 1, so it all gets into your canon playthrough.

That's what I prefer, if the story's not complete (has DLC made to fill it out further), then I'd rather them just spend more time developing the game before release. 

The  Expansion Packs of old (pseudo sequels) are fine (also ones like ME2's DLC that could happen after main story)... but I'm not cool with some kind of mid story "lost chapters" thing... may just be me.

[Daywalker315]

nirwin9 wrote...

kaos94 wrote...

Ar7emis wrote...

kaos94 wrote...
I can understand your frustration but do not share it.

Are you for real? The whole point of a forum is feedback, discussion and criticism. Just because you're willing to accept EA/Bioware's extortion that doesn't mean you should impose it as gospel over those of us who can see it for what it is - a cash-grab.

With that being said, I rest my case

It did come across initially as you telling people not to share their frustrations, which is obviously something you would have no real right to do. However after a re-read, it would seem that you were just saying you don't share those frustrations. Easy to see how someone could get the wrong end of that stick.

No, it absolutely did not come across that way. Especially in the full context of his post and not just one sentence plucked from it. Only people who are argumentative and raging would read it that way. His post was pretty well-written and I share his sentiments. I understand that people have mixed feelings about it but absolutely don't share those feelings (meaning I don't feel that way too).

Modifié par Daywalker315, 01 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[nirwin9]

In all fairness, I think you'd be hard pressed to describe my conduct as raging, and I certainly read it that way at first. So....

[AlanC9]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That's what I prefer, if the story's not complete (has DLC made to fill it out further), then I'd rather them just spend more time developing the game before release.

Thing is, there's a revenue cap on a game; even if they spend more time, I don't think they can get more than $60 for an SE release in 2012. Or rather, going higher than $60 would hurt SE sales enough so they'd lose revenue even with the higher price. It might work if more content let them sell more copies, but I don't think that would actually happen.

I don't know how many CEs and DDs they're selling relative to the SEs, but my impression is that it isn't a huge percentage.

Modifié par AlanC9, 01 mars 2012 - 07:50 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AlanC9 wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
That's what I prefer, if the story's not complete (has DLC made to fill it out further), then I'd rather them just spend more time developing the game before release.

Thing is, there's a revenue cap on a game; even if they spend more time, I don't think they can get more than $60 for an SE release in 2012. Or rather, going higher thatn $60 would hurt SE sales enough so they'd lose revenue even with the higher price

I don't know how many CEs and DDs they're selling relative to the SEs, but my impression is that it isn't a huge percentage.

They'd have to really pick and choose which feature to introduce and which to withhold for another time...  Personally, I want to finish out the trilogy as priority 1 (the story of the Mass Effect series).  The rest in my mind are secondary considerations.

If a mode like Multiplayer was added later, I'd prefer that over story elements being added later. 

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 01 mars 2012 - 07:52 .

[ediskrad327]

so...no trailer yet?

[ArkkAngel007]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Concept artist in the game industry are you?  Somehow I find that odd to believe in the way you think game development operates.

And there was nothing miraculous about how it was developed.  There were assets available to them prior, and it wasn't just made after the entire game was completed and off to certification.  There was development staff allocated during the debugging crunch period that was no longer needed.

You want to have your opinion on here, fine.  But don't get offended when you get a reply that exposes suddenly that it isn't the brilliant argument you thought it would be, and make uneducated assumptions about what the situation is.

My concept art blog is right down there in my signature for all to see and visit - v

Haven't you heard the news? The script that was leaked states pretty clearly that the character was in the game as a selectable squad member as late as November last year. He was actually a finished part of the game...

... and now he's DLC.

Thanks for pointing the link out.  

And no, he wasn't a part of the finished game, even in the script.  They were just lines for VO work.   No missions, descriptions, not even listed with the rest of the squad npcs and powers...

You can't believe all you hear.  You have to look for yourself at times.

[moviebuff3000]

Lol. No trailer yet. With as much complaining as everyone has been doing do you honestly think we deserve one?

Modifié par moviebuff3000, 01 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[NoxJuked]

[GuyIncognito21]

moviebuff3000 wrote...

Lol. No trailer yet. With as much complaining as everyone has been doing do you honestly think we deserve one?

Is it really a question of desert?  I think it's more an issue that they're concerned they'll stoke the flames by releasing more information.

If the trailer is too awesome, it bolsters the argument that this content shouldn't be separate from the game in the first place.

If the trailer is crap, it bolsters the argument that they made this crappy character a prothean just so they could charge $10 for the crap and people would buy it.

It's quite a conundrum from a PR perspective.  Or, as one poster put it hundreds of pages ago, maybe they haven't released the trailer because they can't agree on how much to charge for it.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 01 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

OMG you guys did it... I thought to myself that this thread was going to die out at 450 but magic 500 has been reach. Congratulations, you all deserve a medal!

[Zepheera]

I love this thread, it pops up every time a new game comes out.

Just my two cents, but if you don't actually work in the game developing industry in general, and BioWare in particular, then you don't KNOW how the process works. I do find it funny that so many people on these forums automatically call foul because of day one DLC, and then proceed to tell the people who DO know how the process for developing their game and DLC works that that they (the forumite) know how they should be doing their job better than the devs.

Working in the service industry, I'm familiar with customers who like to tell me how to do my job and how things are "supposed" to work, when they have NO clue what they are talking about.

In addition, to the folks who are complaining about "20-30 hours for 60 dollars and 1-2 hours for 10 is ridiculous", I would like to put this question to you.Since I generally finish a game in just over half the time of an "average" playthrough, under your logic, should I be complaining that I have to pay the same $85 (for CE) as someone else who takes longer to finish the game?

You pay for content (items, companions, ect), you pay for play time, you pay for the time, work, and resources that went into the making of the product. They pay writers, developers, electric bills, and a lot of other things in addition.

Everything has a price, and in this case, if you don't want to pay for the prothean companion and the other content included in that DLC, then no one is making you. 10 dollars is less than a lot of people spend on coffee in a week or cigarettes in a day... Plus you can replay your 10 dollar DLC. Once you drink your coffee or smoke your cigarettes, they're gone for good.

[NovemEnuma]

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Modifié par NovemEnuma, 01 mars 2012 - 11:46 .

[didymos1120]

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.