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[NovemEnuma]

didymos1120 wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.

To BioDrones it isn't. To a person with freewill, like myself, it's somewhat amusing; because it's true.

[didymos1120]

NovemEnuma wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.

To BioDrones it isn't. To a person with freewill, like myself, it's somewhat amusing; because it's true.

I see.  So "person with freewill" means "must agree with NovemEnuma that this crappy Youtube video is amusing".

[NeecHMonkeY]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You can't believe all you hear.  You have to look for yourself at times.

That is excellent advice that I think we can all agree on.

I see a lot of people here taking everything that is being fed to them at face value.

[Fenton]

I'm going to be very unpopular here but I am going to say this. I am so getting this DLC even on Day 1. I've felt some of the Mass Effect 2 ones I've experenced on the PS3 was not only fun but I had a blast doing a few of the assignments and missions for. People going to attack this because it's popular thing to do. So when this comes out on Day 1 I am not only buying it but recommending it to my buddies who's also getting this game too.

[OMGOSHNESS]

Any word on when this will be available for download? I'd like to have it downloaded by the time I come home with the game.

[GuyIncognito21]

Zepheera wrote...

Just my two cents, but if you don't actually work in the game developing industry in general, and BioWare in particular, then you don't KNOW how the process works.

Well the funny part is that it doesn't really matter to us how the process works.  Why?  Because it's our money, and we can do with it as we please.  EA can give us some sob story from their $5 billion net worth company about how they really need our $10 and how if we only "understood the industry" we'd gladly hand them everything in our wallets, but it doesn't really matter in the end.

CD Projekt has a process too, and yet they not only didn't charge for cut content DLC, they gave away free what nobody in their right mind could expect for free.   Does the industry work any different for them?

To me, it's a misunderstanding of "the industry" to contilually use these conventional supply and demand models that no longer really apply to the digital entertainment industry.

In the olden days, if you were the only supplier of a good you could gank your customers for all they were worth.  That's not the case anymore.  Piracy is a gamechanger (at least it would be if companies had a little foresight).  Reputation matters now, because if people don't like the way you treat them they can just get your game for free (whereas in the past they'd have had to go without).

In that way, I would submit that companies like CD Projekt are ahead of the curve as far as "understanding the process," and companies like EA are maliciously clinging to a model whose time has largely passed.

[GuyIncognito21]

didymos1120 wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.

Oh c'mon, it's pretty funny.   Since I'm not "in the loop" on this, has Bioware even tried to explain why they decided to go all JarJar on Javik?

[didymos1120]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.

Oh c'mon, it's pretty funny.   Since I'm not "in the loop" on this, has Bioware even tried to explain why they decided to go all JarJar on Javik?

You know, what I was actually referring to was the whole "Ooooh, lookee: I think rickrolling is still amusing" thing.  That said, no I don't find the video itself that amusing either. And Jar Jar?  Really?  You think he sounds like Jar Jar?

[moviebuff3000]

Zepheera wrote...

I love this thread, it pops up every time a new game comes out.

Just my two cents, but if you don't actually work in the game developing industry in general, and BioWare in particular, then you don't KNOW how the process works. I do find it funny that so many people on these forums automatically call foul because of day one DLC, and then proceed to tell the people who DO know how the process for developing their game and DLC works that that they (the forumite) know how they should be doing their job better than the devs.

Working in the service industry, I'm familiar with customers who like to tell me how to do my job and how things are "supposed" to work, when they have NO clue what they are talking about.

In addition, to the folks who are complaining about "20-30 hours for 60 dollars and 1-2 hours for 10 is ridiculous", I would like to put this question to you.Since I generally finish a game in just over half the time of an "average" playthrough, under your logic, should I be complaining that I have to pay the same $85 (for CE) as someone else who takes longer to finish the game?

You pay for content (items, companions, ect), you pay for play time, you pay for the time, work, and resources that went into the making of the product. They pay writers, developers, electric bills, and a lot of other things in addition.

Everything has a price, and in this case, if you don't want to pay for the prothean companion and the other content included in that DLC, then no one is making you. 10 dollars is less than a lot of people spend on coffee in a week or cigarettes in a day... Plus you can replay your 10 dollar DLC. Once you drink your coffee or smoke your cigarettes, they're gone for good.

QFT! No one gets it these days. Just because you got something for free for a previous game in the series doesnt mean the next game stuff will be free. Now I wouldnt put it past BW to give out some free DLC for everyone to make up for the From Ashes DLC but it probably wont be for awhile after the game comes out for that. I dont think it is EA  or BW that are the greedy ones, it is the ones that complain about having to part with their precious money that are the greedy ones. Now if EA and BW were the greedy ones than they would be forcing people to buy their products because they want money. Now I have not read anywhere where EA or BW said to buy their products or else. Now because people seem to jump to their own conclusions about the DLC should have been part of the story, you dont know the real story about why it wasnt added in the first place instead you all scream foul and extortion and then people that are new to this game listen to your arguments and cancel their pre-order and thus losing money for the dev for future games. Besides when you point a finger at someone you still have three more pointing back at you. So the DLC is not free, deal with it, grow up and stop acting like children that feel like they deserve everything extra for free.

[didymos1120]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CD Projekt has a process too, and yet they not only didn't charge for cut content DLC, they gave away free what nobody in their right mind could expect for free.   Does the industry work any different for them?

Actually, yeah, it does: CDPR is a privately-held corporation.  EA is publicly traded.  Makes a bit of a difference.

[GuyIncognito21]

didymos1120 wrote...

You know, what I was actually referring to was the whole "Ooooh, lookee: I think rickrolling is still amusing" thing.  That said, no I don't find the video itself that amusing either. And Jar Jar?  Really?  You think he sounds like Jar Jar?

I don't think the voices are similar, but the decision to inexplicably go ethnic/regional on a nonhuman character in complete contravention of the rules that seem to apply to everyone else is the same impulse.

I'm curious both about why that decision was made in the real world and how they go about justifying it in-game.

It just seems unnecessary and distracting to me.  If they had made a human character from Ghana who spoke with that voice, I'd say cheers.  But why a Prothean?  It's utterly cringe-worthy.

[GuyIncognito21]

didymos1120 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CD Projekt has a process too, and yet they not only didn't charge for cut content DLC, they gave away free what nobody in their right mind could expect for free.   Does the industry work any different for them?

Actually, yeah, it does: CDPR is a privately-held corporation.  EA is publicly traded.  Makes a bit of a difference.

It makes a difference in terms of explaining EA's money-grubbing motives, but it doesn't make any difference at all in terms of explaining why we should have any sympathy for them (e.g. "if only you people understood the industry you wouldn't be complaining").

"EA has to appease its shareholders" is not a very persuasive argument for why I should open my wallet, and it's also not an argument I've heard out of BW thus far.  So do THEY not understand the industry either, or are they just deceiving us?

[Troller79]

i dont like poor ppl

[didymos1120]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...


It makes a difference in terms of explaining EA's money-grubbing motives, but it doesn't make any difference at all in terms of explaining why we should have any sympathy for them (e.g. "if only you people understood the industry you wouldn't be complaining").

"EA has to appease its shareholders" is not a very persuasive argument for why I should open my wallet, and it's also not an argument I've heard out of BW thus far.  So do THEY not understand the industry either, or are they just deceiving us?

You didn't ask about whether or not we should have sympathy for them.  You asked if things worked differently for EA as opposed to CDPR. 

[moviebuff3000]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CD Projekt has a process too, and yet they not only didn't charge for cut content DLC, they gave away free what nobody in their right mind could expect for free.   Does the industry work any different for them?

Actually, yeah, it does: CDPR is a privately-held corporation.  EA is publicly traded.  Makes a bit of a difference.

It makes a difference in terms of explaining EA's money-grubbing motives, but it doesn't make any difference at all in terms of explaining why we should have any sympathy for them (e.g. "if only you people understood the industry you wouldn't be complaining").

"EA has to appease its shareholders" is not a very persuasive argument for why I should open my wallet, and it's also not an argument I've heard out of BW thus far.  So do THEY not understand the industry either, or are they just deceiving us?

Ok, so your not happy with EA or BW or even the video game industry. Your not happy than stop playing and stop complaining maybe you will be happier if you dont play video games any more. Save your money that way and not buy any games and show EA and all other companies that you mean business. Dont need to come on these forums and ruin the experience for everyone else just because your disgruntled over your sad pathetic life that you need to take it out on "the money grubbing motives" of EA and such. You cant come on here and be positive than leave and take your negativity with you. No one is forcing you to stay.

[GuyIncognito21]

didymos1120 wrote...

You didn't ask about whether or not we should have sympathy for them.  You asked if things worked differently for EA as opposed to CDPR. 

I asked that in response to (and in the context of) a post suggesting that if we understood how things worked, we wouldn't be complaining.  I do understand how things work.  I do understand where EA's, and therefore BW's, loyalties ultimately lie.

And yet here I am.

 Just because I understand why they're trying to leverage their company's hard-earned reputation for a quick buck doesn't mean I like it or support it, and it's got nothing to do with my lack of understanding of the industry or economics in general.

In fact, as I suggested earlier, I think if these companies had a little more foresight on behalf of their shareholders, they might think twice about nuking their reputations in the age of the free flow of information (among many other
things).

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 02 mars 2012 - 01:06 .

[GuyIncognito21]

moviebuff3000 wrote...
Ok, so your not happy with EA or BW or even the video game industry. Your not happy than stop playing and stop complaining maybe you will be happier if you dont play video games any more. Save your money that way and not buy any games and show EA and all other companies that you mean business. Dont need to come on these forums and ruin the experience for everyone else just because your disgruntled over your sad pathetic life that you need to take it out on "the money grubbing motives" of EA and such. You cant come on here and be positive than leave and take your negativity with you. No one is forcing you to stay.

If this thread is "ruining your experience," you're quite free to stop reading it.  It's 500 pages long, what did you expect to find?

As for the rest, perhaps my biggest point is that people don't have to stop playing if they're not happy.  They can still be angry at the company, refuse to give the company their money, and play the game anyway.  Companies have to adapt to that new market reality.  Whether they adapt to it because of their own economic interests or because of their commitment to their customers is of little relevance, the end result is the same.

That's why I think it's so important these days for companies not to do things that put them on the wrong side of the court of public opinion.  Sure they can make a few million more dollars with this scheme, but at what cost?  I have to believe (and their shareholders certainly hope) that the integrity of the brand is worth more than that.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 02 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[Troller79]

i still dont like poor ppl

[GuyIncognito21]

I lol'd

"Feel the rhythm! Feel the rhyme! Get on up, it's Eden Prime!"

[THE LORD HERESY]

OK, so I made a post in another thread and I'd be thankful if someone could answer it. It seems like the question can go in this thread or the DLC thread so mods, if I'm wrong for posting this twice my apologies. I just want the best ME experience I can have now, not trolling or anything.

I'm confused after reading another thread and hopefully one of the more knowledgable members can clear this up for me.

1. The FROM ASHES DLC is not the same as the CE DLC correct?

2. If number 1 is correct, how do we go about getting the CE DLC when they stopped taking preorders a while ago?

Modifié par THE LORD HERESY, 02 mars 2012 - 01:26 .

[ArkkAngel007]

THE LORD HERESY wrote...

OK, so I made a post in another thread and I'd be thankful if someone could answer it. It seems like the question can go in this thread or the DLC thread so mods, if I'm wrong for posting this twice my apologies. I just want the best ME experience I can have now, not trolling or anything.

I'm confused after reading another thread and hopefully one of the more knowledgable members can clear this up for me.

1. The FROM ASHES DLC is not the same as the CE DLC correct?

2. If number 1 is correct, how do we go about getting the CE DLC when they stopped taking preorders a while ago?

You mean the FENRIS dog/mech, the CE alt. skins, and the N7 weapons?  Then correct.  I'm not sure if those will be sold separately or not.  Wouldn't expect to hear anything until a couple of weeks after launch, and that's being optimistic.

[NeecHMonkeY]

moviebuff3000 wrote...

Ok, so your not happy with EA or BW or even the video game industry. Your not happy than stop playing and stop complaining maybe you will be happier if you dont play video games any more. Save your money that way and not buy any games and show EA and all other companies that you mean business. Dont need to come on these forums and ruin the experience for everyone else just because your disgruntled over your sad pathetic life that you need to take it out on "the money grubbing motives" of EA and such. You cant come on here and be positive than leave and take your negativity with you. No one is forcing you to stay.

Why can't someone still enjoy playing games but also feel as though certain companies are taking advantage of them? Doesn't that give someone even more reason to be upset and complain, especially when it's a company they have supported and trusted for years?

I was at a restaurant I regularly go to last weekend with my wife and was really enjoying the meal that was served but I found that some of the pork in the dish was extremely undercooked which could have made me extremely sick... was I wrong to point this out to the staff? Should I have just shut my mouth because the rest of the meal was enjoyable? Should I stop eating out at restaurants because of this experience?

In actual fact, the staff were glad that I pointed this out as it indicated that something was wrong in the kitchen and with their new knowlede of the situation could prevent it from happening again. I walked away happy because I noticed the raw meat in time and didn't get sick and because I was offered the meal for free of charge.

[kriosfan]

I'm going to rush through the game (15 hours) and take my time on the Prothean DLC (8 hours)
I'm getting AN AMAZING DEAL. 4 DOLLARS AN HOUR FOR THE MAIN GAME AND ONLY 1.25 AN HOUR FOR THE DLC!!!!! YOU GUYS CAN DO IT TOO!!!!!

[THE LORD HERESY]

Yes and no, friend.

Yes I mean the dog/mech and the CE alt skins.

Basically what I'm really asking is if the FROM ASHES dlc is the same as the character and mission DLC that the CE contains. If so, I can live with that. If not, how do we go about getting it?

ETA: OK, I think I may need to get my eyes checked out.

The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Modifié par THE LORD HERESY, 02 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[Changonauta]

NovemEnuma wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

NovemEnuma wrote...

Mass Effect 3: From Ashes trailer! 

Still not funny.

To BioDrones it isn't. To a person with freewill, like myself, it's somewhat amusing; because it's true.

yeah yeah whatever you say, the video is still boring