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[Armass81]

http://imageshack.us...6/prothean.jpg/

from the looks of it someone has the dlc already? Prothy looks so sexy, doesnt he.

[THE LORD HERESY]

Yeah he looks pretty sick.

[moviebuff3000]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

moviebuff3000 wrote...

Ok, so your not happy with EA or BW or even the video game industry. Your not happy than stop playing and stop complaining maybe you will be happier if you dont play video games any more. Save your money that way and not buy any games and show EA and all other companies that you mean business. Dont need to come on these forums and ruin the experience for everyone else just because your disgruntled over your sad pathetic life that you need to take it out on "the money grubbing motives" of EA and such. You cant come on here and be positive than leave and take your negativity with you. No one is forcing you to stay.

Why can't someone still enjoy playing games but also feel as though certain companies are taking advantage of them? Doesn't that give someone even more reason to be upset and complain, especially when it's a company they have supported and trusted for years?

I was at a restaurant I regularly go to last weekend with my wife and was really enjoying the meal that was served but I found that some of the pork in the dish was extremely undercooked which could have made me extremely sick... was I wrong to point this out to the staff? Should I have just shut my mouth because the rest of the meal was enjoyable? Should I stop eating out at restaurants because of this experience?

In actual fact, the staff were glad that I pointed this out as it indicated that something was wrong in the kitchen and with their new knowlede of the situation could prevent it from happening again. I walked away happy because I noticed the raw meat in time and didn't get sick and because I was offered the meal for free of charge.

Pointing something out to a restuarant is one thing and they fix it. They keep messing it up and keep fixing it sooner or later you will get tire of it and take your business else where. Same thing here instead of coming on and ruining other people's experiences take your complaints and business elsewhere. Simple. Dont like BW or EA or how they do business than leave no one stops anyone from leaving unless those that arent happy are trying to indoctrinate everyone into their way of thinking. Whats makes them any different than what the reapers are doing when they try to indoctrinate their will upon others? Thats probably whats keeps the unhappy people on these forums. They try to brainwash everyone into thinking how they think.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Zepheera wrote...

I love this thread, it pops up every time a new game comes out.

Just my two cents, but if you don't actually work in the game developing industry in general, and BioWare in particular, then you don't KNOW how the process works. I do find it funny that so many people on these forums automatically call foul because of day one DLC, and then proceed to tell the people who DO know how the process for developing their game and DLC works that that they (the forumite) know how they should be doing their job better than the devs.

Working in the service industry, I'm familiar with customers who like to tell me how to do my job and how things are "supposed" to work, when they have NO clue what they are talking about.

In addition, to the folks who are complaining about "20-30 hours for 60 dollars and 1-2 hours for 10 is ridiculous", I would like to put this question to you.Since I generally finish a game in just over half the time of an "average" playthrough, under your logic, should I be complaining that I have to pay the same $85 (for CE) as someone else who takes longer to finish the game?

You pay for content (items, companions, ect), you pay for play time, you pay for the time, work, and resources that went into the making of the product. They pay writers, developers, electric bills, and a lot of other things in addition.

Everything has a price, and in this case, if you don't want to pay for the prothean companion and the other content included in that DLC, then no one is making you. 10 dollars is less than a lot of people spend on coffee in a week or cigarettes in a day... Plus you can replay your 10 dollar DLC. Once you drink your coffee or smoke your cigarettes, they're gone for good.

As a bussiness owner myself, I can so identify myself with what you are saying. People trying to tell me howto run my bussiness, where to buy stocks, howto handle things. They are not the ones responsible for turning a profit so you can pay (not only yourself) your employees at the end of the month. In the case of EA it's not just the end of the month but over period of 3 years. Invest milions into a company and into a product and hope it turns a profit 3 years down the line.

[MarchWaltz]

500+ pages in 8 days.

That has to be some sort of record

[Foxtrot_212]

Lol yes a record indeed. Are they still whining?

[mogonk]

If murder were legal, would the Disney corporation get into the contract killing business?  No, because people would stop going to see their films.  That's the ONLY reason, though.  Otherwise you'd be able to pay a guy dressed like Mickey Mouse to kill your whole family.

Of course corporations are motivated by profit and nothing else.  That's not a surprise to anyone.  The point is that frequently there is profit in behaving in a responsible manner, in a less-than-obviously-exploitative manner.  The profit derives from the fact that your company will face public censure if you don't conform to expectations.

If you buy ME3, if you buy the DLC, you are sending a very clear message to EA and to Bioware that this is something off of which they can make money.  Game companies are just testing the waters, folks.  You haven't yet imagined how far they will push this if it keeps working for them.  Next game they make, major characters will be in the DLC.  And if you buy that, the next game will have multiple endings accessible only through DLC.  And if you buy that, the next game they make will charge you per mission. 

Yes, it's perfectly natural for a corporation to try to squeeze its consumers for everything it can.  It's also perfectly natural for those consumers to resist attempts to exploit them...unless, like many posters here, they've somehow been persuaded that they should put the interests of a corporation ahead of their own.  This isn't some paranoid, dystopian fantasy.  You supporters of Bioware are quite correct: this is a corporation.  A business.  If it can make money by doing something it will.

It's your job to show them that they can't make money by conducting business this way.

Modifié par mogonk, 02 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[NeecHMonkeY]

moviebuff3000 wrote...

Pointing something out to a restuarant is one thing and they fix it. They keep messing it up and keep fixing it sooner or later you will get tire of it and take your business else where. Same thing here instead of coming on and ruining other people's experiences take your complaints and business elsewhere. Simple. Dont like BW or EA or how they do business than leave no one stops anyone from leaving unless those that arent happy are trying to indoctrinate everyone into their way of thinking. Whats makes them any different than what the reapers are doing when they try to indoctrinate their will upon others? Thats probably whats keeps the unhappy people on these forums. They try to brainwash everyone into thinking how they think.

No one is telling you that you have to leave because you've got an enthusiastic outlook and I would bet that you'd be pretty upset if they did so why is the reverse situation ok?

It's not, plain and simple.

What better place to voice our complaints about the things we're upset about than the Official Bioware forums?

If people here are being positive, it doesn't offend me and it's my choice whether to agree with them or not.

If people choose to follow our complaints and support them, it's their choice. No one trying to take away free will at all - that actually seems like what you're trying to do right now by telling people to leave if they aren't of the same opinion as you.

Directly from the new rules of Code of Conduct that is at the top of everyone's page right now:

"Members may continue to discuss and critique our games and products in a civil manner, but any form of discussion targeted at an individual will not be tolerated."

As no one is directly attacking you or your beliefs/opinions, they all have the right to stay. The way I see it, you're treading on very thin ice by attacking other's privelage to remain on the forums and voice their criticism.

It's your choice to be here and I respect that. I would appreciate if you show some of that same respect in return.

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 02 mars 2012 - 02:33 .

[Armass81]

Javik knows how to tell a joke.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[Jo-shee]

Look i know everyone has there opinion on this DLC and how it's bull**** or its reasonable and people are "whining" but why can't you just get over it already? by all means send me hate responses but everyone has a different opinion so there is no right or wrong........ what bioware and ea are doing isn't right but it's not wrong.........

[ediskrad327]

i hope the trailer comes soon :/

[Jo-shee]

ahhh i've been living under a rock! there making a trailer for him? i want to hear his voice

[MarchWaltz]

Jo-shee wrote...

ahhh i've been living under a rock! there making a trailer for him? i want to hear his voice

www.youtube.com/watch

[Rencor2k]

HiroVoid wrote...

If it was developed after the core game, how come there are dialogue files for the Prothean in the leaks?

Anyway, the images and video should be interesting.

Edit: Also, while I don't agree with selling a full character separately, it is certainly true that the optional character has been announced exclusive for CE for a while now.

Indeed.. this is complete BS.. they even re-wrote the scrips and put another character in the protheans place in the main story just to get some ekstra cash....

[ArkkAngel007]

THE LORD HERESY wrote...

Yes and no, friend.

Yes I mean the dog/mech and the CE alt skins.

Basically what I'm really asking is if the FROM ASHES dlc is the same as the character and mission DLC that the CE contains. If so, I can live with that. If not, how do we go about getting it?

ETA: OK, I think I may need to get my eyes checked out.

The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Ah ok, got it.  The From Ashes DLC is the same exact From Ashes content in the CE.  No difference.

[ArkkAngel007]

Rencor2k wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

If it was developed after the core game, how come there are dialogue files for the Prothean in the leaks?

Anyway, the images and video should be interesting.

Edit: Also, while I don't agree with selling a full character separately, it is certainly true that the optional character has been announced exclusive for CE for a while now.

Indeed.. this is complete BS.. they even re-wrote the scrips and put another character in the protheans place in the main story just to get some ekstra cash....

What character did they put in his place?  And a **it-ton more was taken out of the script.  It just didn't work.  That's why A Prothean character was taken out.  A character was revived to be DLC.

And why were Kasumi files in ME2?

I'm not happy about how it was handled, but the conspiracy theories are getting old.  Especially when they've been debunked again and again and again...

[ZX12r Ninja]

mogonk wrote...

If murder were legal, would the Disney corporation get into the contract killing business?  No, because people would stop going to see their films.  That's the ONLY reason, though.  Otherwise you'd be able to pay a guy dressed like Mickey Mouse to kill your whole family.

Of course corporations are motivated by profit and nothing else.  That's not a surprise to anyone.  The point is that frequently there is profit in behaving in a responsible manner, in a less-than-obviously-exploitative manner.  The profit derives from the fact that your company will face public censure if you don't conform to expectations.

If you buy ME3, if you buy the DLC, you are sending a very clear message to EA and to Bioware that this is something off of which they can make money.  Game companies are just testing the waters, folks.  You haven't yet imagined how far they will push this if it keeps working for them.  Next game they make, major characters will be in the DLC.  And if you buy that, the next game will have multiple endings accessible only through DLC.  And if you buy that, the next game they make will charge you per mission. 

Yes, it's perfectly natural for a corporation to try to squeeze its consumers for everything it can.  It's also perfectly natural for those consumers to resist attempts to exploit them...unless, like many posters here, they've somehow been persuaded that they should put the interests of a corporation ahead of their own.  This isn't some paranoid, dystopian fantasy.  You supporters of Bioware are quite correct: this is a corporation.  A business.  If it can make money by doing something it will.

It's your job to show them that they can't make money by conducting business this way.

Over the past 8 days we've seen many analogies and hypotheticals but this one just takes the game... If murder were legal... yeah... just pull out a society changing hypothetical and apply it to this simple issue. Buddy, if murder were legal we'd all probably not be here. Because you think you are being exploited because some idiot journalist or whoever told you, doesn't make it so. And it has been said over and over and over again, if you think you're being taken advantage, if you believe you are being scamed then keep your money in your pocket and don't buy it.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 02 mars 2012 - 05:21 .

[DnVill]

This thread is 500 pages worth of

this



It's called business. They're doing it because it sells. If you don't like it then don't buy it. If their sales decrease because of it then they'll probably stop it. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

What's next? You're gonna complain about PPV because you bought the TV and everything there is to see on it must be free? If you spent the time begging on the streets instead of whining here you could have the $10 for the DLC.


To all you whiners thanks a lot for spoiling the game because of all your whining on this DLC.
Go beg around for $10 and STHU.

[mogonk]

DnVill wrote...
It's called business. They're doing it because it sells. If you don't like it then don't buy it. If their sales decrease because of it then they'll probably stop it. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

Yeah.  We know.  That's kinda the whole point.

I don't think you understood what was said in this thread.

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
And it has been said over and over and
over again, if you think you're being taken advantage, if you believe
you are being scamed then keep your money in your pocket and don't buy
it.

I just said I wasn't going to buy it and explained why.

I seriously begin to wonder if you guys read the posts you reply to.

Modifié par mogonk, 02 mars 2012 - 05:34 .

[Donavien]

DnVill wrote...

This thread is 500 pages worth of

this



It's called business. They're doing it because it sells. If you don't like it then don't buy it. If their sales decrease because of it then they'll probably stop it. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

What's next? You're gonna complain about PPV because you bought the TV and everything there is to see on it must be free? If you spent the time begging on the streets instead of whining here you could have the $10 for the DLC.


To all you whiners thanks a lot for spoiling the game because of all your whining on this DLC.
Go beg around for $10 and STHU.

Agreed.

[CommanderCoffee]

DnVill wrote...

This thread is 500 pages worth of

this

I was thinking more of this: 
 

[Jo-shee]

MarchWaltz wrote...

Jo-shee wrote...

ahhh i've been living under a rock! there making a trailer for him? i want to hear his voice

www.youtube.com/watch

OMG I WANT HIM 10x MORE NOW HAHAHA xD

Modifié par Jo-shee, 02 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[NeecHMonkeY]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And a **it-ton more was taken out of the script.  It just didn't work.  That's why A Prothean character was taken out.  A character was revived to be DLC.

I'm actually a lttile confused by this particular topic and would like to hear your (and others) thoughts on it;

Many people are talking about how the Prothean was removed from the game because he didn't work for the story... ok, I get that. That happens often with a lot of content in games.

Now he's available as Day One DLC and can be intergrated back into the story.

Those 2 points don't add up to me. If the character had to be removed because he wasn't working with the story, why is he now DLC that intergrates with the story? Doesn't it potentially ruin the game's story if we add the Prothean back into it through the DLC?

If the character does actually work as part of the story, why was there a need to remove him completely in the first place? Was there no way to save him at the time with rewrites or whatever? It must have been a pretty big reason to have him removed but then suddenly in the remaining few months before release they were able to fix the problem without causing problems to the rest of the game (which was finished by this stage)?

What do you guys think?

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 02 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[mogonk]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

Now, I'm not trying to start another argument with you or anyone else on this one but I'm actually a lttile confused by this particular topic and would like to hear your (and others) thoughts on it;

Many people are talking about how the Prothean was removed from the game because he didn't work for the story... ok, I get that. That happens often with a lot of content in games.

Now he's available as Day One DLC and can be intergrated back into the story.

Those 2 points don't add up to me. If the character had to be removed because he wasn't working with the story, why is he now DLC that intergrates with the story? Doesn't it potentially ruin the game's story if we add the Prothean back into it through the DLC?

If the character does actually work as part of the story, why was there a need to remove him completely in the first place? Was there no way to save him at the time with rewrites or whatever? It must have been a pretty big reason to have him removed but then suddenly in the remaining few months before release they were able to fix the problem?

What do you guys think?

What is this, critical thinking?

Next you'll be asking why the last surviving Prothean wouldn't be a major plot point, the absolute LAST thing you would cut from the story, given the role they play in the lore.

And I will not stand for that.  Cut it out.  Immediately.

Modifié par mogonk, 02 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[ArkkAngel007]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And a **it-ton more was taken out of the script.  It just didn't work.  That's why A Prothean character was taken out.  A character was revived to be DLC.

Now, I'm not trying to start another argument with you or anyone else on this one but I'm actually a lttile confused by this particular topic and would like to hear your (and others) thoughts on it;

Many people are talking about how the Prothean was removed from the game because he didn't work for the story... ok, I get that. That happens often with a lot of content in games.

Now he's available as Day One DLC and can be intergrated back into the story.

Those 2 points don't add up to me. If the character had to be removed because he wasn't working with the story, why is he now DLC that intergrates with the story? Doesn't it potentially ruin the game's story if we add the Prothean back into it through the DLC?

If the character does actually work as part of the story, why was there a need to remove him completely in the first place? Was there no way to save him at the time with rewrites or whatever? It must have been a pretty big reason to have him removed but then suddenly in the remaining few months before release they were able to fix the problem?

What do you guys think?

Because he doesn't add anything to the plot of ME3 at all.  He provides some lore that you get on Thessia and from Liara in the retail, but he gives a more personal take on it.  It's just exploitive fan service.  

It's also, which you should know, much easier to reallocate dropped concepts to be used in future products, whether that is a full game, other mediums, or DLC.  Basically, it was a win-win on the business side when DLC pre-production went underway.

Honestly, I didn't like a Prothean being involved in the first place.  I'm not saying they couldn't have rewritten him in someway to appease those who believe a Prothean should come in saving the day, but I can only assume the writers felt the same way, though that's my assumption, not a fact.  There were plenty of things dropped I loved, but were completely changed.  The Thessia choice event was amazing.  But for some reason it was completely cut, and no one can say why except BioWare.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 02 mars 2012 - 05:59 .