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[Zepheera]

Would you be happier if BioWare had just kept the From Ashes DLC for people who bought the CE only?

CE was advertised from the start to have an additional squad mate + missions in addition to the standard edition content. Paying $10 allows those that didn't want to, or weren't able to, purchase the CE have access to that same content.

[gigiduru]

Zepheera wrote...

Would you be happier if BioWare had just kept the From Ashes DLC for people who bought the CE only?

CE was advertised from the start to have an additional squad mate + missions in addition to the standard edition content. Paying $10 allows those that didn't want to, or weren't able to, purchase the CE have access to that same content.

I would be happier if the CE wouldn't contain parts of the game and that all content done until launch date would be available to everyone . CE should be should be just as the name implies : Colectables -> meaning art stuff , fluff items , music dvd , even making of dvd etc . 
From ashes should have been in the SE . 

[ZX12r Ninja]

gigiduru wrote...

I am basing my assumptions on characters like Shale and Zaed . While indeed Zaed wasn't much ( but his mission had some imput on criminal organizations in the mass effect universe ) , i think we all agree shale was a great char with awesome lines .

No, omega, the mecernary clans and all the different side missions based on those did. Zaeed (2 e's) was just an adition to that.

And your arguments are just being unwise . Why would there be a comp char if it didn't add smth to the lore . I do not assume that the prothean will add smth to the lore . I am 100% sure that it will ( even if its just 2 lines during a dialogue , or a private conversation you have with him or anything ) . Yes i might be assuming that what he is adding will be 5% of the lore or just 1% , we don't know that but you saying that he won't be adding smth to the lore is not a good argument .

Who are you the detirmine what's unwise? And yet again, you don't know how he's written in, you want him to add to the lore but as of yet you have absolutely no idea at all. It's all speculation.

[AshedMan]

They should have given everyone who buys a new version of the game this character, just like the way they did it with Shale in DA:O and Zaeed in ME2. If you buy it used then you need to pay the additional cost for the character. That reinforces the sale of new copies without angering loyal customers.

[gigiduru]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

gigiduru wrote...

I am basing my assumptions on characters like Shale and Zaed . While indeed Zaed wasn't much ( but his mission had some imput on criminal organizations in the mass effect universe ) , i think we all agree shale was a great char with awesome lines .

No, omega, the mecernary clans and all the different side missions based on those did. Zaeed (2 e's) was just an adition to that.

And your arguments are just being unwise . Why would there be a comp char if it didn't add smth to the lore . I do not assume that the prothean will add smth to the lore . I am 100% sure that it will ( even if its just 2 lines during a dialogue , or a private conversation you have with him or anything ) . Yes i might be assuming that what he is adding will be 5% of the lore or just 1% , we don't know that but you saying that he won't be adding smth to the lore is not a good argument .

Who are you the detirmine what's unwise? And yet again, you don't know how he's written in, you want him to add to the lore but as of yet you have absolutely no idea at all. It's all speculation.

I see Mass Effect like a big book , with acts , chapters and bottom notes . Major events could be considered Acts , certain chars and their actions / mission could be chapters and some other could be only bottom notes . When you read a book and you love it you read everything even the side notes . 

I think you don't know what lore means , bc you keep saying that he will not add to the lore . But everything that he will do and say will BECOME lore . His story , his lines and his action will add to the whole that is Mass Effect . 

[ArkkAngel007]

NeecHMonkeY wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Because he doesn't add anything to the plot of ME3 at all. 

So he probably didn't need to be removed.

From what I've read, his removal was due to him not intergrating with the story and not for any actual technical issues.

Then, on the flip side of that I read that he was always intended as DLC and if that's the case there wouldn't be a need to remove him from the main game in the first place because he wouldn't have been a part of it.

... and we know that he was actually removed from the game because he exists in the script that was leaked before the game was finished.

I appreciate your answer but it still doesn't make any kind of sense to me.

I meant to the current version of ME3.  He was major to the conceptual script...way too much focus though that the player's only reason of being there was babysitting and going through cliche after cliche.  That was why he was removed.  He never made it into the actual game until DLC work began and they had to write lines for the development script to use for VO recordings.

[moviebuff3000]

Jehovahkin wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I wouldn't be so sure. A lot of people were miffed because of the extra cost, just as much as the fact the character is a Prothean. 

The money issue I can sort of understand a bit, but even then the fact that it is an optional piece of DLC makes it excusable, where our timeless rallying cry of "if you don't want to buy it, you don't have to" comes into play.

Or as I like to call it, common sense.

Oh, so am I to understand that if Bioware decided to sell each and every companion as seperate DLC for Mass Effect 3 on day 1, you would be fine with it, since you don't HAVE to buy it. If Bioware decided to sell the multiplayer as DLC on day one, you would be fine with it since you don't HAVE to buy it. Hell, why not sell the ending as DLC as well? You don't HAVE to buy it.

Yes, we know we don't have to buy it, our point is you don't have to buy into their greed either, let alone make excuses for them. If Mcdonalds start selling you sitting locations at their branches, you can call them out on it, even if Ronald Mcdonald himself gaurantees you that if you don't want to, you don't have to buy a seat and go sit on the floor outside. Real Mcdonalds fans buy sitting locations. 

Come on be more realistic. Bioware would never do that to the game, no dev would. Dont make it sound worse than what it is and it is only one character not a whole platoon of them. Geeze, why is it called common sense when it isnt even common?

[LinksOcarina]

Jehovahkin wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Your argument is invalid for three reasons.

1) They will never make every character a DLC type of thing because it will not sell a hard copy of the game, and no one will buy it. It will also affect the development of story and content in-game heavily to do that. endings and multiplayer too.

2) Everything you said above is supposition. No company or publisher has gone so far as to sell you things like that, except Bethesda which created an ending to Fallout 3 because people ****ed about the ending so much. Bad DLC is common, but bad dlc is usually very easy to spot. Horse Armor, 2 dollar shotguns, Costume packs, 3 multiplayer maps with no perks or weapons added to the mix. That is just a few examples. 

Now look at the track record here so far. One-two extra characters to play as in-game. Extra story missions and weapons involved, upgrades to purchase and new items to collect. Usually all lumped together in a pack for 2-3 bucks. One thing I actually respect is the fact that, other than the cosume packs which served no purpose, BioWare has been putting out quality DLC for the most part. A lot of it is story-driven, and the extra bits are fun and usually reasonably prices, like 2 bucks for new weapons as an example. 

3) Your comparison to McDonalds is, well, stupid. In fact, its a false comparison because it has no purpose other than to make an argument out of what you believe. Typical straw-man stuff.

You have broadly missed the point and your shot has landed on a galaxy far far away. You claimed that if one doesn't want to buy it, one doesn't have to. I demonstrated how that is easily debunked by the fact you wouldn't use the same argument for other things, even though it's perfectally applicable for them. It's irrelevent if they wouldn't do the other things because it wouldn't be profitable for them, the question is whether your argument stands, and it doesn't. 

Also, I do look at Bioware's track record and it's abysmal. I don't think I've seen a company prostitute their own products as much as Bioware does, whether by creating NPCs asking for $ or offering DLC that then negates a part of the game such as weapons and armors that make upgrading your squad meaningless. 

And are your automated shill responses broken or something? How do you write this - 

LinksOcarina wrote... 

Bad DLC is common, but bad dlc is usually very easy to spot... 2 dollar shotguns, Costume packs, 3 multiplayer maps with no perks or weapons added to the mix. That is just a few examples.  

 

And then this? 

LinksOcarina wrote... 
BioWare has been putting out quality DLC for the most part. A lot of it is story-driven, and the extra bits are fun and usually reasonably prices, like 2 bucks for new weapons as an example.  

 

I think you might need a rest from blindly defending Bioware, to maybe get a bit of perspective on things. 

Edit - argh, we are going to start editing to reply to edit now, its going to be a mess :happy:

LinksOcarina wrote...  

ETA

So now, facts for you.

 


I know the company line man, here are a few facts for you - 

1) Zaeed and Shale were the same and didn't require $10.

2) Other companies, with arguablly less resources are capable of producing day 1 content for free. 

Obviously they CAN charge for it, couldn't we, as consumers, point to business practices we see in other companies which don't exploit us, but in fact, reward us and perhaps suggest we would rather Bioware acts the same?

I admit I was a bit tired when I posted that. So let me clear things up a bit. 

I would use the same argument on other things. One doesn't buy special edition DVDs or Deluxe CDs because its 5-10 dollars extra,containing a bunch of bonus features and what have you. For gaming it is really no different in that regard.  So once again, your argument is still invalid because its a false example that is illogical. 

People buy things based on price a lot if you think about it. Used Cars, Furniture, Movies, Games, Lunch, and so forth. You want to spend $55 bucks more for a chouch or $4,000 more for a Ford Escalade, its your choice. You don't have to buy it because in the end its your money, so you decide what to do with it. End of story on that.

As for the DLC bit, I should clarifty. A singular shotgun from a game like say Homefront was made day one DLC for 2 dollars. When you get a full on weapons pack, a shotgun, rifle, pistol, and missile launcher or what have you for the same price, its a lot more bang for your buck, basically. Of course, you don't have to buy the weapons pack either, its just a nice extra to begin with.

Zaeed and Shale were free, but people complained about that because a lot of people bought the game used over new. Plus, Gamestop threw a hissy fit over the whole debacle and was pissed at EA for it since it was cutting into their business. There was talk of not carrying the games at the time, but it was probably nothing serious since it was GM's bemoaning what corporate wanted them to do. So they had to change things up.

And of course we can point out the good things and plead BioWare to do that. Sad part about it is they are damned if they do anyway, since when they did that, people complained just as much as they are now back then over different issues. So really, who is at fault here? 

As for the DLC being free, I agree. I mean most triple A titles offer it at a price, smaller titles do not. Also, on the PC its all out of control anyway on price point since a lot of the overhead is not necessary, so you are right about that. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 mars 2012 - 03:41 .

[freche]

Michael Gamble wrote...
There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification. 

Such BS. It doesn't matter who developed it, what matters is that you are selling such content at launch day, instead of include it with new copies of the game just like you did with conent for other games.

You must have forseen that a negative reaction would happen to such a decision. And if you now so desperatly wanted to sell this why not just wait 2 months after release and no one would have been the wiser.

I was planning on pre-ordering, but now I guess I'll just wait for it to go on sale. I ain't paying extra for critical content that should be included with the original copy.

[ZX12r Ninja]

And now we're back at Project 10 Dollar and yet again people speculating about their own wishes and dreams. This argument is going nowhere.

gigiduru wrote...

I see Mass Effect like a big book , with
acts , chapters and bottom notes . Major events could be considered
Acts , certain chars and their actions / mission could be chapters and
some other could be only bottom notes . When you read a book and you
love it you read everything even the side notes . 

I think you
don't know what lore means , bc you keep saying that he will not add to
the lore . But everything that he will do and say will BECOME lore . His
story , his lines and his action will add to the whole that is Mass
Effect . 

http://social.biowar...705/230#9430496

What else do you need to know about the Protheans?

Yet again you ASSUME he is important and thus you draw the conclusion that he's going to add to the lore. There is no basis for you arguments other then your own assumptions. The only thing I'm hearing is"He's a Prothean and thus....", that's what you said in your last posts and nothing more then that. If you have any new arguments or wish to clarify WHY you think he's important then okey but you're just repeating yourself over and over and over again in the hope that it will become the truth but fact is that it's just your own assumptions. Him being a Prothean doesn't make him necesarily important and there is no basis for your assumptions, end of story.

He's a Prothean so he's important -> Because he's important he's going to add to the lore -> Because he's going to add to the lore he's important. Nonsense circle reasoning.

And how do you know what lines the Prothean is going to have? You don't! For all you know he was a pizzadelivery boy and starts talking about the different toppings of pizza they had back in the days. Wow, nice lore you have there.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 02 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[freche]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Zaeed and Shale were free, but people complained about that because a lot of people bought the game used over new. Plus, Gamestop threw a hissy fit over the whole debacle and was pissed at EA for it since it was cutting into their business. There was talk of not carrying the games at the time, but it was probably nothing serious since it was GM's bemoaning what corporate wanted them to do. So they had to change things up.

Buying a used game don't give EA/BW any money what so ever, so Zaeed and Shale for free on new copies is a legitimate way to promote people to buy the game in a way that supports the companies that make the actual game.

Putting a 10$ on From Ashes doesn't promote people to buy new copies at all. And if they are relying on people buying new copies because of their muliplayer feature then I think they will be disapointed.
If anything they should include it with new copies and make it avaiable for purchase to those that want to buy the game used.

[ace1221]

Just to throw my 2 cents in real quick:

as a CE owner i DGAF about from ashes being $10. However due to it containing a prothean squad mate (which i would have thought is pretty important to the game) is the wrong move.

[LinksOcarina]

freche wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Zaeed and Shale were free, but people complained about that because a lot of people bought the game used over new. Plus, Gamestop threw a hissy fit over the whole debacle and was pissed at EA for it since it was cutting into their business. There was talk of not carrying the games at the time, but it was probably nothing serious since it was GM's bemoaning what corporate wanted them to do. So they had to change things up.

Buying a used game don't give EA/BW any money what so ever, so Zaeed and Shale for free on new copies is a legitimate way to promote people to buy the game in a way that supports the companies that make the actual game.

Putting a 10$ on From Ashes doesn't promote people to buy new copies at all. And if they are relying on people buying new copies because of their muliplayer feature then I think they will be disapointed.
If anything they should include it with new copies and make it avaiable for purchase to those that want to buy the game used.

I know, but once again it cut into Gamestops business. So people complained because they had to pay $15.00 for the pass to get them for free once it was used, and Gamestop complained because it was cutting into their profits. The free DLC for new buyers was a way for EA/BioWare to make money in the end, simple business practice that pissed off a corporation and fans so they dropped it.

So I bet EA/BioWare were not allowed to do this again. Gamestop, and to a lesser extant, any company who sells used titles to customers, has a bit of pull in such things because they can refuse to stock titles in their store shelves. It would suck, but the truth of it is they can afford to do it because they will still make sales on used titles and items daily. 

[ZX12r Ninja]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I know, but once again it cut into Gamestops business. So people complained because they had to pay $15.00 for the pass to get them for free once it was used, and Gamestop complained because it was cutting into their profits. The free DLC for new buyers was a way for EA/BioWare to make money in the end, simple business practice that pissed off a corporation and fans so they dropped it.

So I bet EA/BioWare were not allowed to do this again. Gamestop, and to a lesser extant, any company who sells used titles to customers, has a bit of pull in such things because they can refuse to stock titles in their store shelves. It would suck, but the truth of it is they can afford to do it because they will still make sales on used titles and items daily. 

Gamestop has absolutely no say in the matter, as far as EA and Bioware are concerned they can eat poo and die, if that wasn't clear by now. The whole idea of the 0-day DLC is because of companies like Gamestop who try to make money of the backs of EA and Bioware. They can complain all they want but I don't think EA will pay any attention to their whining.

Project 10 Dollar, Cerberus Network Access has been replaced by the multiplayer component. If you buy used you don't get multiplayer unless you pay extra.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 02 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Squallypo]

500+ pages epic i lost all the fun around i didnt had the time for it, any new around here ?

[moviebuff3000]

I just see people making a mountain out of a mole hill. I do agree that BW or EA should have waited a month or two to release the DLC to everyone that didnt get the CE but we cant change that. As I wrote before I wanted more for my game and so I chose to buy the CE because it is not a thing I normally do because most CE's dont really do anything for me. This CE offered a bunch of DLC for free probably more than any other CE in existence. Now even if I missed out on the CE than I would still buy the DLC even for the pure fact that it is a Prothean and can be a member of your squad.
Now considering what you get with the From Ashes DLC $10 is not a bad price. So it should have been free? It is free to the CE owners and those that procrastinated the CE until the last minute loose out on it. Now is it really fair that the CE owners that paid $20 more than the SE owners for the game cant get free DLC? The $20 extra that I paid basically is for the comic book, the patch, the art book, the lithograph and the metal case. Everything else is just a bonus for me and is worth it. I wanted more I paid more and that is my choice even so I would still pay the $10 for the From Ashes DLC even if I didnt get it for free. Nobody forces me to do it and is my choice and there in lies the purpose of free will. Yeah, it would be nice to get free DLC here and there BUT the devs worked really hard at making this game and giving us this game that they deserve my money.
If the devs had just sold me a disc with the bare minimum on it and then tried to sell everything to me seperate than I would not be happy BUT they havent. The Prothean being cut from the main game or not is no different than a director or producer cutting out scenes of a movie to make the movie shorter or make more sense it doesnt always happen that way but it is a choice that the devs made to do for the Prothean.

[LinksOcarina]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I know, but once again it cut into Gamestops business. So people complained because they had to pay $15.00 for the pass to get them for free once it was used, and Gamestop complained because it was cutting into their profits. The free DLC for new buyers was a way for EA/BioWare to make money in the end, simple business practice that pissed off a corporation and fans so they dropped it.

So I bet EA/BioWare were not allowed to do this again. Gamestop, and to a lesser extant, any company who sells used titles to customers, has a bit of pull in such things because they can refuse to stock titles in their store shelves. It would suck, but the truth of it is they can afford to do it because they will still make sales on used titles and items daily. 

Gamestop has absolutely no say in the matter, as far as EA and Bioware are concerned they can eat poo and die, if that wasn't clear by now. They can complain all they want but I don't think EA will pay any attention to their whining.

Project 10 Dollar, Cerberus Network Access has been replaced by the multiplayer component. If you buy used you don't get multiplayer unless you pay extra.

Wrong. 

I can tell you they tolerate Gamestop enough because thats the primary way of recouping costs. To put games into a store, they need to pay for the overhead, essentially the "right' to put them in-store. Gamestop charges a fee for that, but new titles recoup around 70-75% of the cost. In other words, for each new title sold at a store like Gamestop, EA and BioWare get around $48 dollars in their pockets at time of release, minus DLC costs and what not. 

Gamestop gets almost  none of that, because the rest tends to go for the overhead fee. Where gamestop makes money is used sales.  Gamestop gets 100% of the profits from used titles,so a brand new title nets them $57.00 a pop. This is why they promote used over new all the time, and offer incentives to save money through used purchases like the Rewards card and the Game Informer subscription, the $3.00 protection plan, etc. It's all basically done so they can get money and keep it in-store.

Now keep this in perspective, A game like Mass Effect 2 sold 2.73 million copies on the Xbox 360, whereas the PC version had just under a million sold. These are VG Chartz numbers, so take them with a grain of salt. That said, the 360 was the most profitable platform for Mass Effect 2, meaning out of that console alone, EA and BioWare would be getting over 2 million dollars in the end. 

What is the point basically? Well, they got nothing from the used sales, so they tried to figure out ways to get something for them. It wasn't a huge success because consumers who tend to buy used complained about the price tag of $15.00 for the pass, and Gamestop complained because they were being undercut, essentially giving consumers the choice to buy new for cheaper, over used for cheaper, which is how Gamestop gets you. 

Game companies work with the stores within reason, if Gamestop complains to them about something, Gamestop can refuse to carry the product if its not fixed. We saw something similar with GAME in the U.K, they were floundering as a company and it was decided they would not carry any EA title for the month of March, along with Mario Party 9 for some reason and other games. Whats worse is they cancelled pre-orders, but the big difference here is that GAME did it because they are close to bankruptcy, and were likely asking to charge more for overhead. In the long run they will be hit more because it was too close to release for Mass Effect 3 and people will be pissed about that one, along with the loss of FIFA. But thats not here nor there. Point is, its a symbiotic buisness relationship Game companies and retailers have.

As for the multiplayer component, if its true, then we shall see the same thing happen in the end. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[AlanC9]

freche wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...
There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification. 

Such BS. It doesn't matter who developed it, what matters is that you are selling such content at launch day, instead of include it with new copies of the game just like you did with conent for other games.

You must have forseen that a negative reaction would happen to such a decision.

Sure, they did. Bio's never been scared to do things that might get a negative reaction from some part of the fanbase. Every game they've published since BG1 had some sort of furious negative reaction from some faction.

And if you now so desperatly wanted to sell this why not just wait 2 months after release and no one would have been the wiser.

So they need to make everybody else wait for the content to placate the whiners? You can have From Ashes two months from now without making everyone else wait for it.

Moreover, you're actually asking for corporate dishonesty. You really want that?

Modifié par AlanC9, 02 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[AlanC9]

@ LinksOcarina: pretty good analysis. It's kind of similar to book publishing. While theoretically book publishing could be done without bookstores or even physical books, in practice publishers think that the demise of bookstores will ruin the industry by putting books out of sight. So they overcharge for e-books to keep the print segment viable, and so forth.

EA wants to make money, but they don't dare kill the retailers while doing it. They'll probably kill PC retail editions in a couple of years, though,since the retailers aren't doing anything with PC games anyway.

[Jehovahkin]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Zaeed and Shale were free, but people complained about that because a lot of people bought the game used over new. Plus, Gamestop threw a hissy fit over the whole debacle and was pissed at EA for it since it was cutting into their business. There was talk of not carrying the games at the time, but it was probably nothing serious since it was GM's bemoaning what corporate wanted them to do. So they had to change things up.

And of course we can point out the good things and plead BioWare to do that. Sad part about it is they are damned if they do anyway, since when they did that, people complained just as much as they are now back then over different issues. So really, who is at fault here? 

While I understand that some people had dndeed raised a stink over Zaeed and Shale, I can perfectally see where Bioware is coming on that one. Buying a used copy of software, is not only identical to the new version, but it also nets the developers 0 profit. So that would be Bioware, still allowing you to get 90% of the product, and allowing you to buy the 10% that's left directly from them if you want to. If you are not their costumer you are not really entitled to anything. It makes sense to me. 

That was just a war between publishers and brick & mortar stores, the most important thing was that the fans remained unaffected. If you bought the game from EA you got 100% of the product.

With Mass Effect 3 they have crossed a line. If you are a fan, if you buy the game from EA, you get 90% of the product. If you wan't it all, pay 116%. And the most disgusting part, way more disturbing than the actual price, is that they made DAMN SURE that you will want it. We can talk all day about how the Prothean just didn't fit the script (interesting how he suddenly fits after a month of extra development and is ready to go on day 1, or day -14 judging by the leak on xbox live), or that it was done entirely on different development cycle if indeed it was, you and I know that the guys at Bioware are fairly intelligent, and that they knew that every single one of their fans is going to be foaming at the mouth at the chance to run into a living breathing Prothean, and had they wanted to, they would have cut 2-3, hell make it 20, less important side quests, to make sure they can put him in the main game, for every single one of their, paying, loyal fans, and it would be worth it, just not as worth as screwing over their fans, financially.

Modifié par Jehovahkin, 02 mars 2012 - 05:15 .

[obie191970]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Wrong. 

I can tell you they tolerate Gamestop enough because thats the primary way of recouping costs. To put games into a store, they need to pay for the overhead, essentially the "right' to put them in-store. Gamestop charges a fee for that, but new titles recoup around 70-75% of the cost. In other words, for each new title sold at a store like Gamestop, EA and BioWare get around $48 dollars in their pockets at time of release, minus DLC costs and what not. 

Gamestop gets almost  none of that, because the rest tends to go for the overhead fee. Where gamestop makes money is used sales.  Gamestop gets 100% of the profits from used titles,so a brand new title nets them $57.00 a pop. This is why they promote used over new all the time, and offer incentives to save money through used purchases like the Rewards card and the Game Informer subscription, the $3.00 protection plan, etc. It's all basically done so they can get money and keep it in-store.

Now keep this in perspective, A game like Mass Effect 2 sold 2.73 million copies on the Xbox 360, whereas the PC version had just under a million sold. These are VG Chartz numbers, so take them with a grain of salt. That said, the 360 was the most profitable platform for Mass Effect 2, meaning out of that console alone, EA and BioWare would be getting over 2 million dollars in the end. 

What is the point basically? Well, they got nothing from the used sales, so they tried to figure out ways to get something for them. It wasn't a huge success because consumers who tend to buy used complained about the price tag of $15.00 for the pass, and Gamestop complained because they were being undercut, essentially giving consumers the choice to buy new for cheaper, over used for cheaper, which is how Gamestop gets you. 

Game companies work with the stores within reason, if Gamestop complains to them about something, Gamestop can refuse to carry the product if its not fixed. We saw something similar with GAME in the U.K, they were floundering as a company and it was decided they would not carry any EA title for the month of March, along with Mario Party 9 for some reason and other games. Whats worse is they cancelled pre-orders, but the big difference here is that GAME did it because they are close to bankruptcy, and were likely asking to charge more for overhead. In the long run they will be hit more because it was too close to release for Mass Effect 3 and people will be pissed about that one, along with the loss of FIFA. But thats not here nor there. Point is, its a symbiotic buisness relationship Game companies and retailers have.

As for the multiplayer component, if its true, then we shall see the same thing happen in the end. 

While I agree with your underlying argument, your numbers are way off.

Anatomy of a $60 Video Game

[LinksOcarina]

obie191970 wrote...

While I agree with your underlying argument, your numbers are way off.

Anatomy of a $60 Video Game

I was going on the basics of what they told us, which was mainly the average of the Retailer Margin. That at face value is pretty much what I was referring too, I will admit I should have put in liscence fees at the top,  so my bad on that part.

[moviebuff3000]

AshedMan wrote...

They should have given everyone who buys a new version of the game this character, just like the way they did it with Shale in DA:O and Zaeed in ME2. If you buy it used then you need to pay the additional cost for the character. That reinforces the sale of new copies without angering loyal customers.

This is a different game than DAO and ME2 and a few years later also than those games. Things change. Why should people think that DLC that was free for one game should be free for another game? Common sense should tell you that maybe this sequel is more expensive to make than the previous ones and therefore they probably spent more money on the game than what they were given in the first place. Movies, games, projects, etc. many times go over budget and so the producer has to find ways to compensate for going over budget and cut something from the main script, something that didnt matter too much but they needed to do it. So they charge for this extra part and to make extra money to make up for going over budget. Now this is a possibility and we dont know the whole truth BUT that doesnt mean that people have to jump to conclusions about the DLC when they dont know what the truth of the matter is.

[obie191970]

Seems all you have to do is release a two minute launch trailer and Bioware is back in everyone's good graces. I stopped counting the "I cancelled my-order and just ordered it again!"

[addiction21]

obie191970 wrote...

Seems all you have to do is release a two minute launch trailer and Bioware is back in everyone's good graces. I stopped counting the "I cancelled my-order and just ordered it again!"

One does not simple re-order a cancelled pre-order.