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MissFish wrote...

You were all perfectly okay with the CE getting exclusive DLC, but when Bioware was kind enough to allow you to get it as well, you're all up in arms about it.

They could just as well not allow you to buy it, and keep it CE exclusive. I hope they take it down, because your all being ungrateful little idiots. This was developed for the CE, but when it can be downloaded for the SE, it's a bad marketing tactic?

Grow up. You guys are making me wish From Ashes was CE exclusive. You seemed fine with it before!

... People should be grateful for BioWare cutting content and repackaging it as ten dollar DLC?

Talk about warped. As for growing up, calling your fellow posters ungrateful little idiots and whatnot isn't exactly a sign of maturity.

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loungeshep wrote...

MissFish wrote...

You were all perfectly okay with the CE getting exclusive DLC, but when Bioware was kind enough to allow you to get it as well, you're all up in arms about it.

They could just as well not allow you to buy it, and keep it CE exclusive. I hope they take it down, because your all being ungrateful little idiots. This was developed for the CE, but when it can be downloaded for the SE, it's a bad marketing tactic?

Grow up. You guys are making me wish From Ashes was CE exclusive. You seemed fine with it before!


At this point it should've been exclusive to CE only.


No! That's a terrible idea. I don't want to miss out on the character just because BW didn't make more CEs.

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

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But they're already using that system.

You don't understand? MULTIPLAYER.


WAit wait
You are telling me that MP should be a DLC?

Damn man, got get yourself some treatment.


Maybe you need reading glasses to understand the point.

Just like we were given free day-1 DLC before, now we get free multiplayer instead.


No I got it, damn man, you are sad.


How so? I'm just stating how it is.

Would you have preferred them to make the multiplayer have an additional fee in exchange for getting the prothean dlc for free? I wouldn't.

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So this DLC gonna included in Digital Deluxe or not?
I don't see he mention Digital Deluxe at all, only CE.

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What bothers me is why is the Prothean squadmate "optional"?  The Protheans have been a huge factor (and the driving force) behind the stories of both games.  You'd think the last Prothean alive would be more important to the storyline, particularly if Prothean technology will play a part in defeating the Reapers (please no spoilers on that).  I do not deny that Mass Effect 3 is a complete, and a huge game, right out of the box.  But I can only see this $10 launch day dlc for such an important character as a petty cash grab.  



The protheans may be A driving force but they are not THE driving force, THE driving force has always been the Reapers. The protheans themselves may very well be important to the overall story and in fact definatly are because of their contributions in ME 1. Certianly there is plenty of argument that a prothean squad member could have alot of impact on the story but it does not meant that he HAS to. Suppose this Prothean was placed into stasis for some reason or another decades before the reapers even arrived, what useful information would he provide to the actual plot of the game in that regard. He would know nothing of the reapers, or the prothean's plans against them (this scenaraio is likely not the case, even less so in relation to the leaked script) but it clearly shows that he is not required to be an important character to the plot of the game.

A wasted potential perhaps, but if wasted potentials are enough reason to scream for boycotts of games and products then you might as well boycott every game ever made because they all have wasted potential in some form or another. In this case its even better because if your worried that the implementation of the prothean will be trival and wasted you dont even have to pay for it and deal with it at all.

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soon we'll be paying for demos too...

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The DLC has a living prothean character? That's a huge development for Mass Effect's story, It has to be, you can't have a prothean around without being important to the plot. This isn't like Zaeed or Kasumi, ME fans are really being screwed over.

I was looking forward to buy the game, but I won't.

Michael Gamble wrote...
-The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed for get more money from long-time fans

fix'd

Modifié par _symphony, 23 février 2012 - 02:03 .


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nitefyre410 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

*Pyramid collapse*

We can always change things - the Deception thread is proof of that.

 

that it is.. that it is.


I wholly supported the redaction of Deception. That book was an abomination to the Mass Effect lore and something needed to be done about it.

That said, I will say that I am not a BioWare fangirl. I am a Mass Effect fan through and through. I love this series for the deep, rich lore and characterization; I love it as one of the finest sci-fi franchises ever created. I have come out and criticized BioWare several times because I felt like they were not being true to this story in some way or another...my criticism of Deception being only one instance. I take these issues on a case-by-case basis, and in this case, I feel like this is a gross, gross overreaction.

Why? Because this squad mate was advertised as being part of the CE since summer, and if you didn't buy the CE, you knew you weren't getting the special CE DLC squadmate. Did we know he was Prothean? No, but that's beside the point. Prothy exists to provide a unique perspective on galactic history, not a necessary or plot-vital one. I'm sure someone somewhere said, "You know what would be cool? A Prothean survivor squadmate?" and thus, he was born. It's not like he was concieved as some world/galaxy-shaking plot device that the main game couldn't have done without. He's also not "trivial" just because he's DLC: he's unique. Unique enough that we can live without him, and also unique enough that he's interesting. People weren't pitching fits over this until it was revealed he'd be the DLC squad mate.

While I will admit that I was a bit disappointed he'd be the DLC squaddie, I wasn't surprised. Nor did I think that BioWare lopped off a critical part of the game just to sell it as DLC. This is DLC that was always intended to be packaged with the CE as a perk and available for purchase for SE buyers. That's that.

In all honesty, when I first found out we had a Prothean squadmate, I didn't understand why BioWare didn't let the dead stay dead. They could have easily not written in a Prothean squadmate at all without it affecting the story of the game. Now that he's available, suddenly he is pivotal to the game? If he didn't exist, I doubt any of you would be saying, "Oh come on, BioWare, give us a Prothean because he'll be integral to the plot! The Protheans are an important race! They should be in the game!"

The Protheans have been dead for 50,000 years...50,000 years too late to be any crucial help beyond the Ilos research team. 50,000 years too late to make any real difference in this Reaper War.

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This thread is so entertaining.

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rumbalumba wrote...

i hope to god these Bioware fanboys gets charged $90 for Dragon Age 3 or Mass Effect 4. please lord.


This helps your case alot. Toss out additional insults just because you're being countered in a debate.

I am supporting the DLC scheme, because for me, at the moment, I do not see a large issue with it and I realize, the cost of this is basically not eating out for a day. I understand that there are many who have much tigher budgets. I also realize that as this is completely optional, no matter how "cool" the character is, it falls into the same category as every other DLC done by every other company ever.

Admittedly, I think they would be better served by doing the same thing they did with Shale - free to all game purchases regardless of edition. Since it's not that way, it comes down to either have the CE/DDE - or just shell out 10 to add it to your game. If you hate it, don't buy it and you lose nothing from the game since it's a standalone product.

Am I a mindless biodrone now? I appreciate that people are posting their opinions, but I do not sympathize when some of the opposition gets high and mighty and act like Bioware just slapped their mother in the face and robbed them at gunpoint. This DLC is no different then any other which most companies do. The days of standlone expansion packs are pretty much gone - DLC offers a quicker and more readily available method to add content that had to be cut or delayed into the game, whether it's day 1 or day 90.

Answer with your wallet, but don't come here and generalize me when I made a mature choice and do not fault you for yours nor lump you into some "You're a whiner just like everyone else!" category.


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Imperium Alpha wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

We got 3 type of people here:
1- People crying because it's a dlc and it's a Protheans SO IT MUST BE IMPORTANT (in their mind)
2- People crying that it should not be a DLC but in the game
3- People who lol at #1 and 2


4- People who understand why other people don't like this and think people in category three are kinda jerks.


Fair enough I'l give you a fourth category. But I'm a Renegade so I must be a jerk right? ;)

This^ Bravo 
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/ragequit if you don't like it..... Buy the game or dont.

I don't mind forking over more monies, the ME series is worth it.  

So what they want more money? everyone wants to make a dollar these days.

I am sure that raise you got doing the same work day in and day out is totally worth it to your company.  I mean you do the SAME work.  These people bend over backwards to make a NEW game for the same $60 without it feeling like the same ol' job.

BioWare *slow clap* on the amazing game some of these people don't deserve.
I wish you could cancel their pre-orders for every person that has stated that they are cancelling.  
(would love to see their faces as they stood in line for 2 hours to get their copy anyways, just to be told that it was cancelled by BioWare)

now that being said, i would gladly give you more money BioWare for a Tali/Liara/Femshep love triangle with Achievement/Trophy as DLC

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Marionetten wrote...

MissFish wrote...

You were all perfectly okay with the CE getting exclusive DLC, but when Bioware was kind enough to allow you to get it as well, you're all up in arms about it.

They could just as well not allow you to buy it, and keep it CE exclusive. I hope they take it down, because your all being ungrateful little idiots. This was developed for the CE, but when it can be downloaded for the SE, it's a bad marketing tactic?

Grow up. You guys are making me wish From Ashes was CE exclusive. You seemed fine with it before!

... People should be grateful for BioWare cutting content and repackaging it as ten dollar DLC?

Talk about warped. As for growing up, calling your fellow posters ungrateful little idiots and whatnot isn't exactly a sign of maturity.


In comparison to cutting content and then never offering it in any form at all, yes they should. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it.

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Copy of the Email I just sent to contact@bioware.com

Dear Bioware.

You seem to know who I am, you've sent me enough email over the years. I am one of your long time customers, I've bought Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and the expansions, Neverwinter Nights and the content packs for it, Dragon Age and the DLC's for it, Mass Effect one and two and the DLC's, and many other games you've developed.

As someone with a disability I am on a tight budget, if I intend to purchase new games when they first come out then I have to specifically set aside money to pay for them, they are expensive items in my budget, I had set aside the money to pay for Mass Effect 3 and I had pre-orrded the game via Amazon, in the past I have purchased Collectors Editions of games, as a writer and artist I enjoyed looking at the Art Books that came with those games and the other physical items that where included, the cosmetic content that was unlockable in the game was a bonus but not really my reason for purchasing collectors editions.

Today it came to light that you are planning to release a downloadable content pack on the day of release of Mass Effect 3, the same pack is apparently included as part of the Collectors Edition, and is seeming much more than simply the cosmetic extras that are normal practise in a Collectors Edition, and that you intend to charge extra for this already produced content that you included in the Collectors Edition.

In response to our concerns you have made this statement in your forum.

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http://social.biowar...index/9403705/1

"As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike"
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In effect you are telling us that this was late game development and developed separately, in order to justify charging money for it on the day of release. This is contradicted by the fact that this was known about almost a year ago. This can be demonstrated by this post from that time .. http://social.biowar...3/index/7551111
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"In the N7 Collector's Edition "Features" caption there's this:

Get the ultimate Mass Effect 3 experience with the N7 Collector's Edition! This exclusive and limited package includes:

• Exclusive N7 fabric patch
• Art book, 70 pages
• Dark Horse ME Series 3 issue 1, with alternate cover art

A full collection of in-game content that can’t be found anywhere else!

• N7 arsenal pack – N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol and SMG
• Squad-mate alternate appearance pack
• Normandy mechdog companion
• Shepard casual appearance– N7 hoodie
• Exclusive extended soundtrack
• Exclusive 4x6 lithograph
• Day 1 DLC – the Prothean (Adventure/Character)
• XBL Normandy Avatar
• Exclusive forum, social avatars, badges and perks

So.....
Reactions? Thoughts?"
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and the reply from you ..

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Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.

Oh wait... no I don't. smilie
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So , this was obviously not late game content that was developed separately when you had some time to spare after the Game had gone gold, this was something you had planned to be released on day one and charge extra for, with lore and storyline relevant content that your most loyal customers, who had played the previous two games, would most want, and planned for some considerable time in what seems to be a very cynical corporate decision to get extra money from your most loyal customers for something that should and could have been included in the game itself or offered as a code to those who bought the new version of the game instead of buying second hand.


I dislike companies that cynically try and milk extra cash from the cows (Before you joined up with EA I think we used to be referred to as the community, now we seem to be cows with $ signs painted on the sides), for things that could easily have been included as part of the, already very expensive, game, and I *reallly* dislike companies that blatantly lie to their customers or trick their own employees into making false statements by withholding information from them.

On reflection, despite my desire to see the conclusion of this saga, I have regrettably cancelled my order and will almost certainly no longer buy any future products from your company, entangled as you have become with the cynical Corporate practices of Electronic Arts, something you and they explicitly promised would not happen, when the merger happened we as a community where told that EA would treat Bioware differently, this has obviously not been the case.

If you are wondering if there is anything that can be done to retain my business, I would consider purchasing the game if you release the DLC freely, as something that should have been in the game already, this is the only way you can regain my custom and go slightly towards regaining my trust in you as a company separate from EA.

Yours Regretfully.

A customer since the beginning of your Company.

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Paragon Auducan wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

Lol, if they do this, im definatly canelling my preorder.


I wouldnt blame you but it seems to be what everyone is arguing about 

"How dare you charge me for something that was an incentive for other people to pay more, I demand it for free because I feel entitled to stuff. You obviously took it out of the game just so you could charge me more because I cant accept that I dont get everything I want in the main game for the cheapest price possible"


Best ive read sofar in this thread and it describes the complainers very well. there mad becouse they have to pay for something that we also had to pay for. when really they should be thankfull for getting it at all, oh and by the way. also for not having to wait for it, but accually beeing able to get it from day 1.

complaining cus you dont get something for free, something that others paid for!!! is just selfish and greedy.
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NO ONE should have to pay for this except used game buyers.


then we should just scrub the hole concept of CE aswell and have Only one version containing all the extra stuff as standard.( while that sounds Nice in a giving spirit. and accually i wouldnt mind getting all that extra stuff for free, all i really care about is getting as much as possible of this wonderfull thing we call mass effect franchise)
but we do live in a monetary based world, and as such a company seldom/never gives away extra stuff for free,

so a ONE version containing all that stuff  ME3 CE has in it ever happening in any game, seems highly unlikely ever taking place, EVER. besides that one version would probably cost so much it would make people not buy it.

seems to  still be a case of i was to cheap/poor to get the CE. so now im going to complain cus my SE does not include the Extra stuff. go get a raise, or get involved in taxpolitics. or just buy the damn DLC and you solved the problem. it ( prothean char) was created for those willing to support bioware a little extra monetarywise. if your not willing to chip in a bit extra. stop complaining that others accually do want to and get something valuble in return for it.
://social.bioware.com/include/fcke

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crackseed wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

i hope to god these Bioware fanboys gets charged $90 for Dragon Age 3 or Mass Effect 4. please lord.


This helps your case alot. Toss out additional insults just because you're being countered in a debate.

I am supporting the DLC scheme, because for me, at the moment, I do not see a large issue with it and I realize, the cost of this is basically not eating out for a day. I understand that there are many who have much tigher budgets. I also realize that as this is completely optional, no matter how "cool" the character is, it falls into the same category as every other DLC done by every other company ever.

Admittedly, I think they would be better served by doing the same thing they did with Shale - free to all game purchases regardless of edition. Since it's not that way, it comes down to either have the CE/DDE - or just shell out 10 to add it to your game. If you hate it, don't buy it and you lose nothing from the game since it's a standalone product.

Am I a mindless biodrone now? I appreciate that people are posting their opinions, but I do not sympathize when some of the opposition gets high and mighty and act like Bioware just slapped their mother in the face and robbed them at gunpoint. This DLC is no different then any other which most companies do. The days of standlone expansion packs are pretty much gone - DLC offers a quicker and more readily available method to add content that had to be cut or delayed into the game, whether it's day 1 or day 90.

Answer with your wallet, but don't come here and generalize me when I made a mature choice and do not fault you for yours nor lump you into some "You're a whiner just like everyone else!" category.


wrong. it was in the game but they cut it out, put it in the CE to entice people like you to pay them $20 more, or to make people who want to have the COMPLETE experiece shell out $10 more on top of the $60.

with that, they lose nothing and we lose something. is that so hard to understand. either way, Bioware gets to charge you more.

Modifié par rumbalumba, 23 février 2012 - 02:06 .


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So this DLC gonna included in Digital Deluxe or not?
I don't see he mention Digital Deluxe at all, only CE.


Digital Deluxe already say you get Additional Character and mission right? Then you get it because it is the additional character and mission.

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Draconis6666 wrote...

In comparison to cutting content and then never offering it in any form at all, yes they should. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it.

How about delivering the complete product. Is that too much to expect from BioWare these days?

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Monochrome Wench wrote...

I think some people are missing the point that certification takes a very long time. You can not make any changes to the game during certification. However if you want you to be doing something during certification you can make DLC.

So what happens is this
1) Content is designed for main game
2) Decided that some content can not be finished and still keep release date
3) Least important/most separable content is decided not to be finished for inclusion on the disc
4) The removed content is finished during the main products certification/manufacturing
5) Its released Day 1 as DLC

So it was in the game originally, but was not finished as it makes more business sense not too finish it before gold if then can finish it after gold.

Of course it could have been in the game but would have just delayed the game further. Sure the fans wouldn't have cared, but the people in charge of financials do. The game is already late.


Thats fine! But don't bloody sell it! Make it free for all paying customers. You know, like a good company.

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Bioware, you have become an annoyance.

You fight against the fans, like ashes struggling against the winds. This seems of victory of you. An entire character sacrificed. But even now, your company is doomed to fall. EA will beg to serve us.

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Rip504 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Akaranz wrote...

I'm sorry but 10$ is too much... I know it's optional but it's still a Prothean squadmate, that has to have some kind of an effect on the story.


Cry some more. I feel better each time :lol:


It makes me feel sick that I have to share oxygen with such stupid creature.

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day 1 pay dlc? oke day 1 pirate :)

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Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

But they're already using that system.

You don't understand? MULTIPLAYER.


WAit wait
You are telling me that MP should be a DLC?

Damn man, got get yourself some treatment.


Maybe you need reading glasses to understand the point.

Just like we were given free day-1 DLC before, now we get free multiplayer instead.


No I got it, damn man, you are sad.


How so? I'm just stating how it is.

Would you have preferred them to make the multiplayer have an additional fee in exchange for getting the prothean dlc for free? I wouldn't.


Did Call of Duty , Gears of Wars or w/e
Charge for their Multiplayers?
Nope.

You are just making yourself an idiot.

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Marionetten wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

In comparison to cutting content and then never offering it in any form at all, yes they should. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it.

How about delivering the complete product. Is that too much to expect from the game industry these days?


Fixed.

Modifié par Sargerus, 23 février 2012 - 02:06 .


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_symphony wrote...

The DLC has a living prothean character? That's a huge development for Mass Effect's story, It has to be, you can't have a prothean around without being important to the plot. This isn't like Zaeed or Kasumi, ME fans are really being screwed over.

I was looking forward to buy the game, but I won't.

Michael Gamble wrote...
-The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed for get more money from long-time fans

fix'd


No it doesnt HAVE to be you simply think that it SHOULD be and perhaps it should but that doesnt mean it HAS to be or that it IS thats a rediculous argument from its inception.

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rumbalumba wrote...

crackseed wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

i hope to god these Bioware fanboys gets charged $90 for Dragon Age 3 or Mass Effect 4. please lord.


This helps your case alot. Toss out additional insults just because you're being countered in a debate.

I am supporting the DLC scheme, because for me, at the moment, I do not see a large issue with it and I realize, the cost of this is basically not eating out for a day. I understand that there are many who have much tigher budgets. I also realize that as this is completely optional, no matter how "cool" the character is, it falls into the same category as every other DLC done by every other company ever.

Admittedly, I think they would be better served by doing the same thing they did with Shale - free to all game purchases regardless of edition. Since it's not that way, it comes down to either have the CE/DDE - or just shell out 10 to add it to your game. If you hate it, don't buy it and you lose nothing from the game since it's a standalone product.

Am I a mindless biodrone now? I appreciate that people are posting their opinions, but I do not sympathize when some of the opposition gets high and mighty and act like Bioware just slapped their mother in the face and robbed them at gunpoint. This DLC is no different then any other which most companies do. The days of standlone expansion packs are pretty much gone - DLC offers a quicker and more readily available method to add content that had to be cut or delayed into the game, whether it's day 1 or day 90.

Answer with your wallet, but don't come here and generalize me when I made a mature choice and do not fault you for yours nor lump you into some "You're a whiner just like everyone else!" category.


wrong. it was in the game but they cut it out, put it in the CE to entice people like you to pay them $20 more, or to make people who want to have the COMPLETE experiece shell out $10 more on top of the $60.


Wrong. Prothy was cut out after the leak script made a ****storm. After finishing the new script they try to put it somewhere and made this DLC for CE owner.