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[CommanderCoffee]

gigiduru wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

I'm looking at the quote and I'm seeing them saying that they finished far ahead of schedule. Yes, they'd need it done by release for the CE, but they finished it early enough that it could be processed and sold, at release, for those without CEs.

Are you actualy reading what you write ? So 1st they say that this was done by a different team working in paralel with the original team . So this is why they charge 10 $ , so they could cover the cost of the aditional team and so they don't have to fire ppl . 
But the dlc had to be finished at launch so that the CE owners could have they char. So they were OBLIGATED to finish bf release date otherwise your precious CE wouldn't have had the dlc in it . 
They knew from begining that they were gonna finish the dlc bc it was mandatory for the CE version and you can't deny that . They are contradicting themselves because they ran out of explanations . Anyways i stoped believing what PR ppl said 10 years ago .

Hey, now, no need to be insulting. You didn't understand what I said, fine, don't imply anything about my intelligence. Let me try to clarify.

They had to get the DLC completed by launch. They put the resources to that and ended up finishing ahead of schedule - Say, if they had to be done by the 1st of the month, they complete it the 14th of the previous month. This would allow them to get it prepped for a general public/non-CE release sooner than intended. 

[gigiduru]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hey, now, no need to be insulting. You didn't understand what I said, fine, don't imply anything about my intelligence. Let me try to clarify.

They had to get the DLC completed by launch. They put the resources to that and ended up finishing ahead of schedule - Say, if they had to be done by the 1st of the month, they complete it the 14th of the previous month. This would allow them to get it prepped for a general public/non-CE release sooner than intended. 

Didn't want to insult you sry. But the way they are treating this and their conflicting statements will raise some questions . I am positive the game will be good and awesome and all without the dlc but this kind of practice will just get bigger and bigger ... 

[kohiek]

Honestly people on the internet can really ticks me off. If Bioware did not put this up for sale as dlc, the outrage would be, "aww man, I should buy the collector's edition, it's unfair the content is too good..." I am super happy that I am getting useful content with my CE.

[CommanderCoffee]

gigiduru wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Hey, now, no need to be insulting. You didn't understand what I said, fine, don't imply anything about my intelligence. Let me try to clarify.

They had to get the DLC completed by launch. They put the resources to that and ended up finishing ahead of schedule - Say, if they had to be done by the 1st of the month, they complete it the 14th of the previous month. This would allow them to get it prepped for a general public/non-CE release sooner than intended. 

Didn't want to insult you sry. But the way they are treating this and their conflicting statements will raise some questions . I am positive the game will be good and awesome and all without the dlc but this kind of practice will just get bigger and bigger ... 

I'll agree with you that much. There is just a little too much contradiction at play. Good thing I've always been one of the ones more concerned about having fun. I'd rather spend my money on something I'll know I'll like than just have it sit around and be wanting.

[CitadelDEA]

it makes me laugh what they are doing.

you have to admit that there is some funny part on it. knowing that no one can resist so risking an outrage knowing that the outrage would not effect the sales. a good satire.

Modifié par CitadelDEA, 03 mars 2012 - 06:41 .

[gigiduru]

CitadelDEA wrote...

it makes me laugh what they are doing.

you have to admit that there is some funny part on it. knowing that no one can resist so risking an outrage knowing that the outrage would not effect the sales. a good satire.

Even if this will be an awesome game , some gamers will remember . For me is the last game i will buy from BW/EA. The quality of games from BW has droped very much in the past years and i don't see it reflected in the price . 

[DnVill]

I wonder if it would have been different if Bioware sold ME3 $10 more expensive and just added the DLC as part of the actual game.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

That wouild be worse... and the new multiplayer mode would likely be blamed for it.

[CitadelDEA]

gigiduru wrote...

CitadelDEA wrote...

it makes me laugh what they are doing.

you have to admit that there is some funny part on it. knowing that no one can resist so risking an outrage knowing that the outrage would not effect the sales. a good satire.

Even if this will be an awesome game , some gamers will remember . For me is the last game i will buy from BW/EA. The quality of games from BW has droped very much in the past years and i don't see it reflected in the price . 

i was never a long time fan of any media company. bioware may was once glorious and a name for quality but it is also bound on the grip of the mainstream like every other company. it is only a matter of time until you find your favorite product sold in a happy meal of mcdonalds for commercial reasons. and it seems mass effect is no exception my friend.

[gigiduru]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

That wouild be worse... and the new multiplayer mode would likely be blamed for it.

No , that would have been better bc everyone would have known the full price of a completed game . Now its just a+b=c(omplete) .

[Evilelf007]

Inflation rates say that games should have shot past the $70 mark a long time ago... Games have managed to be immune due to the fact that dlc allows developers to keep games cheaper as they can make up the difference in bonus content later.

Everyone should be THANKFUL for dlc!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

gigiduru wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

That wouild be worse... and the new multiplayer mode would likely be blamed for it.

No , that would have been better bc everyone would have known the full price of a completed game . Now its just a+b=c(omplete) .

Adding a mode no one asked for (Multiplayer) and then charging $10 extra because it's all mandatorily included in-the-box?  No... that wouldn't be better, the outrage would be a lot more widespread than it is now.

Especially considering that the multiplayer has no offline support.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 03 mars 2012 - 07:46 .

[NeecHMonkeY]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Inflation rates say that games should have shot past the $70 mark a long time ago... Games have managed to be immune due to the fact that dlc allows developers to keep games cheaper as they can make up the difference in bonus content later.

Everyone should be THANKFUL for dlc!

You need to do a little research on that one before claiming it as fact.

Though it's true that the price of games over time has not changed much, even decreasing in price in some cases, DLC is not the reason behind it.

- The cost of the media involved (discs, etc) has decreased dramatically in those years.

- The change in the media used; Cartridge based gaming moved over to the much cheaper CD based gaming and now it's happening again with games moving completely to digital. No distribution costs should mean that games will become even cheaper (and hopefully an end to the notion of online passes, etc as there will be no 2nd hand market to compete with).

- A massive increase in the customer base and market share. Gaming used to be a very niche market and now it rivals (and in some cases topples) the film industry.

- Competition amongst developers/publishers has increased dramatically in the past 10 years and so, prices also need to remain competitive (just like you see with gas stations and supermarkets).

- Retailers have much more strict limits placed on them as to how far they can stray from the recommended retail price.

Inflation rates is a tricky subject when you're talking about products that rely heavily on leaps in technology that make developing the product faster and cheaper - look at how much you can pick up a really good digital camera nowadays.

DLC is just an extra (and cheap... remember; no disc printing, distribution or point of sale marketing costs ) way for a company to make more money.

Modifié par NeecHMonkeY, 03 mars 2012 - 10:07 .

[Trinity66]

510 pages? What a hell are you talking here?

[Westy357]

I have the game installed but I could not get the DLC, I guess that's because it said the cloud is disabled. I suppose when the game is activated which is Monday 9:00 PM for me (Pacific Time Zone) I should be able to access the Prothean.

[xxSanitysuxx]

gigiduru wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

I'm looking at the quote and I'm seeing them saying that they finished far ahead of schedule. Yes, they'd need it done by release for the CE, but they finished it early enough that it could be processed and sold, at release, for those without CEs.

Are you actualy reading what you write ? So 1st they say that this was done by a different team working in paralel with the original team . So this is why they charge 10 $ , so they could cover the cost of the aditional team and so they don't have to fire ppl . 
But the dlc had to be finished at launch so that the CE owners could have they char. So they were OBLIGATED to finish bf release date otherwise your precious CE wouldn't have had the dlc in it . 
They knew from begining that they were gonna finish the dlc bc it was mandatory for the CE version and you can't deny that . They are contradicting themselves because they ran out of explanations . Anyways i stoped believing what PR ppl said 10 years ago .

Completely agree with this. It doesnt affect me at all because ive already pre-ordered the CE, but to regular buyers,this is terribly unfair. Bioware's statement about the dlc being completed after the main game was completed is just total BS, they shot themselves in the foot

[Prent62]

Trinity66 wrote...

510 pages? What a hell are you talking here?

The same thing, over and over again.

"Bioware/EA sucks DLC RAWRRR!"

[Zamyslianskyj]

Does anyone know how big (Megabytes wise) From Ashes actually is? Because I don't fancy waiting all day downloading DLC (including the ones in the Collector's Edition) and then not having much time to play it that day; I'm actually going to get some sleep instead of playing it throughout the night  If anyone knows this I will be wholly and completely grateful. 

[NeecHMonkeY]

Prent62 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

510 pages? What a hell are you talking here?

The same thing, over and over again.

"Bioware/EA sucks DLC RAWRRR!"

DLC is awesome! Yay! It's only $10, ask your mom if you can't afford it. Complainers should stop using logic in their arguments because it's killing my enjoyment of a game I haven't played yet. 

[Lethys01]

Zamyslianskyj wrote...

Does anyone know how big (Megabytes wise) From Ashes actually is? Because I don't fancy waiting all day downloading DLC (including the ones in the Collector's Edition) and then not having much time to play it that day; I'm actually going to get some sleep instead of playing it throughout the night  If anyone knows this I will be wholly and completely grateful. 

around 650Mb

[Doommarine23]

Zamyslianskyj wrote...

Does anyone know how big (Megabytes wise) From Ashes actually is? Because I don't fancy waiting all day downloading DLC (including the ones in the Collector's Edition) and then not having much time to play it that day; I'm actually going to get some sleep instead of playing it throughout the night  If anyone knows this I will be wholly and completely grateful. 

Around 500MB

[Evercrow]

Prent62 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

510 pages? What a hell are you talking here?

The same thing, over and over again.

"Bioware/EA sucks DLC RAWRRR!"

I don't know,i like this thread, if you ignore people,who don't bother to read more than 2 pages of it,and post anyway.
Yelling about boycott and cancelling pre-order is long gone(watch out,Tez incoming! ). And my opinion have been swaying a bit from side to side with new points of view and facts brought in.Basically,people discussing, if "From Ashes" were bad move from Bioware or it's the best they could do at the moment.Main game is stil awesome.

I think, ME3 with 70$ tag would still sell pretty good(DLC included,of course), but CE in that case will cost a bit too much(90$),they would have no other char for CE at release,and other 60$ AAA title owners would be against it.So they tried to compromise, but it backfired,mostly because of a bad announcements.

Modifié par Evercrow, 03 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[Lethlis]

I am just curious, who actually does not think that Mass Effect is worth 70 bucks to play? Hell I bought the collectors edition without even seeing what was in it(and yes it was my own money that I earn working a job from 2 to 7am while going to school full time and yes I pay my own bills thank you)

So is most of the argument because they don't think they are going to get their value out of it? I don't remember my marketing very well but the value for me is well above whatever I paid. after DLCs I paid about 100 for ME2 and if they said 100 on lauch day(see Gears of War 3) I would have gladly done it because I am getting my value out of it.

Then again I am also the kind of person who buys DVDs and pays for music. So maybe I just dont have a problem paying for something that I believe is worth the value.

Or is it the principle? That it took something from the game? Well how is it any different than if they made it, never announced it and then released it 2 months or 6 months later? All that changed is that we did not get to enjoy it for 6 months and paid the same amount. I would rather have the DLC now and get to enjoy it for the longest amount of time possible than wait it out. But I guess it is all open to how you view it.

*steps on soapbox*

If you dont believe it is worth the value, why are you even talking about it. Speak with your wallets and don't buy the game, I think that will send more of a message than talking about it on a message board. It feels like you are stressing yourselves out and causes some level of personal grief for next to no impact. Remember games are supposed to be fun and if you are causing yourself some bad stress over a game that is not even out yet, kinda killing the point

*steps down off soap box*

Have a good day everyone. I hope that once it comes out if you decide to buy it you will find that it was worth it after all. If not I am sorry that you will have felt you wasted your money.

Modifié par Lethlis, 03 mars 2012 - 12:45 .

[Zombiedude101]

I can understand why people are angry about all this.

Firstly, the fact that a Prothean character (Who is directly linked to the Mass Effect lore unlike Zaeed/Kasumi, and what some might consider essential to the storyline) is only available as DLC rather than being part of the main game leads many to believe that this is another EA influenced attempt to make more money out of people.

Combine that with the fact that it's been completed before the game's been released and it's only going to strengthen that kind of belief.

Secondly, considering this is EA we're talking about as well, people are concerned that if they stand by and allow this to happen, EA's going to take this kind of thing further in future and get bigger and bigger with the stuff they pull.
Thirdly, EA's got a very notorius reputation for upsetting people (Past instances such as this: http://www.cinemable...tion-36996.html and such) and it's public relations aren't exactly high, so people are pretty susceptible to joining the hate-bandwagon. Personally, I don't think this is fair (Even though I've got the CE pre-ordered), but I'm not going to start a flame/hatefest.

One final note, if the character wasn't a Prothean then I believe people wouldn't have as much of an issue with it due to the fact that it isn't a character that's got a lot of links to the Mass Effect lore/storyline.

Modifié par Zombiedude101, 03 mars 2012 - 02:47 .