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[mogonk]

Lethlis wrote...
Speak with your wallets and don't buy the game, I think that will send more of a message than talking about it on a message board.

I used to think that too.  Then I realized that the two are not mutually exclusive.  Amazing, right?

[ZX12r Ninja]

mogonk wrote...

I used to think that too.  Then I realized that the two are not mutually exclusive.  Amazing, right?

You used to think that, then you got an arrow to the knee.

*que dramatic music*

[Renegade133]

Zombiedude101 wrote...

I can understand why people are angry about all this.

Firstly, the fact that a Prothean character (Who is directly linked to the Mass Effect lore unlike Zaeed/Kasumi, and what some might consider essential to the storyline) is only available as DLC rather than being part of the main game leads many to believe that this is another EA influenced attempt to make more money out of people.

Combine that with the fact that it's been completed before the game's been released and it's only going to strengthen that kind of belief.

Secondly, considering this is EA we're talking about as well, people are concerned that if they stand by and allow this to happen, EA's going to take this kind of thing further in future and get bigger and bigger with the stuff they pull.
Thirdly, EA's got a very notorius reputation for upsetting people (Past instances such as this: http://www.cinemable...tion-36996.html and such) and it's public relations aren't exactly high, so people are pretty susceptible to joining the hate-bandwagon. Personally, I don't think this is fair (Even though I've got the CE pre-ordered), but I'm not going to start a flame/hatefest.

One final note, if the character wasn't a Prothean then I believe people wouldn't have as much of an issue with it due to the fact that it isn't a character that's got a lot of links to the Mass Effect lore/storyline.

This is very simple dont be a tool on any of the forums and steam has got exactly the same conditions with some of its stuff

[Zamyslianskyj]

Lethys01 wrote...

Zamyslianskyj wrote...

Does anyone know how big (Megabytes wise) From Ashes actually is? Because I don't fancy waiting all day downloading DLC (including the ones in the Collector's Edition) and then not having much time to play it that day; I'm actually going to get some sleep instead of playing it throughout the night  If anyone knows this I will be wholly and completely grateful. 

around 650Mb

Ah, thank you! God, at my Internet speeds, that's going to take around 4-6 hours, depending on how fast it decides to go on that day  Damn slow British internet!

[ArkkAngel007]

Zombiedude101 wrote...

I can understand why people are angry about all this.

Firstly, the fact that a Prothean character (Who is directly linked to the Mass Effect lore unlike Zaeed/Kasumi, and what some might consider essential to the storyline) is only available as DLC rather than being part of the main game leads many to believe that this is another EA influenced attempt to make more money out of people.

Combine that with the fact that it's been completed before the game's been released and it's only going to strengthen that kind of belief.

Secondly, considering this is EA we're talking about as well, people are concerned that if they stand by and allow this to happen, EA's going to take this kind of thing further in future and get bigger and bigger with the stuff they pull.
Thirdly, EA's got a very notorius reputation for upsetting people (Past instances such as this: http://www.cinemable...tion-36996.html and such) and it's public relations aren't exactly high, so people are pretty susceptible to joining the hate-bandwagon. Personally, I don't think this is fair (Even though I've got the CE pre-ordered), but I'm not going to start a flame/hatefest.

One final note, if the character wasn't a Prothean then I believe people wouldn't have as much of an issue with it due to the fact that it isn't a character that's got a lot of links to the Mass Effect lore/storyline.

The fact is, as you've demonstrated, is that people want to believe that the character is important to the lore, because the species is important to the lore.  He is not essential in any way.  The only thing that comes close to the term "essential" is the need that fans feel to have a Prothean with them.  And of course EA is going to take advantage of that.  That's the only reason why we are getting this character now, because EA can make money off of it.

And of course fans wouldn't have an issue if it was another human, salarian, turien, w/e. They may actually focus more on the issue of Day 1 DLC than just using it as an excuse for not getting a Prothean for free, but to each their own.

[OdanUrr]

Three words:

Time will tell.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

If they charge $10 for it, it's bound to have some kind of importance...

[ZX12r Ninja]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If they charge $10 for it, it's bound to have some kind of importance...

Just like the trims on my car are important to make my car look good.

[kriosfan]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If they charge $10 for it, it's bound to have some kind of importance...

Just like the trims on my car are important to make my car look good.

This. It's irritating that people don't understand that it's not necessary. If it were "essential" to the plot, it would be in the game. 

[Westy357]

ME3 is now installed on my hard drive with an activation of Monday March 5 at 9:00PM PST. I want my Prothean !

[avmf8]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Zombiedude101 wrote...

I can understand why people are angry about all this.

Firstly, the fact that a Prothean character (Who is directly linked to the Mass Effect lore unlike Zaeed/Kasumi, and what some might consider essential to the storyline) is only available as DLC rather than being part of the main game leads many to believe that this is another EA influenced attempt to make more money out of people.

Combine that with the fact that it's been completed before the game's been released and it's only going to strengthen that kind of belief.

Secondly, considering this is EA we're talking about as well, people are concerned that if they stand by and allow this to happen, EA's going to take this kind of thing further in future and get bigger and bigger with the stuff they pull.
Thirdly, EA's got a very notorius reputation for upsetting people (Past instances such as this: http://www.cinemable...tion-36996.html and such) and it's public relations aren't exactly high, so people are pretty susceptible to joining the hate-bandwagon. Personally, I don't think this is fair (Even though I've got the CE pre-ordered), but I'm not going to start a flame/hatefest.

One final note, if the character wasn't a Prothean then I believe people wouldn't have as much of an issue with it due to the fact that it isn't a character that's got a lot of links to the Mass Effect lore/storyline.

The fact is, as you've demonstrated, is that people want to believe that the character is important to the lore, because the species is important to the lore.  He is not essential in any way.  The only thing that comes close to the term "essential" is the need that fans feel to have a Prothean with them.  And of course EA is going to take advantage of that.  That's the only reason why we are getting this character now, because EA can make money off of it.

And of course fans wouldn't have an issue if it was another human, salarian, turien, w/e. They may actually focus more on the issue of Day 1 DLC than just using it as an excuse for not getting a Prothean for free, but to each their own.

Actually even a human character I would not be impressed about having that day 1 DLC . I am never impressed with day 1 DLC. It seems companies that use day 1 DLC are so arrogant that they don't even try to hide they are doing a money grab. Day one DLC is always a money grab.

If DLC is availiable day 1 it  should be on the disk. You should also not have to pay extra for a game buying the Collectors Edition. The collector edition should never have more in game content then the regular version does. A collectors edition means its supposed to come with phisical object you can collect. Hence its called collectors edition.

Oh and as far as I am concerned if I paid $60 for a game all DLC even later after the fact should be free. I and everyone else who pre ordered the game should get all DLC that comes out for the game for free. You should also get the game earlier by as much as possible. They should do this to give people a perk.

I should not have to pay more money because I did not want the collectors edition. It is like that Normany model somone bought me. Don't know why but people think if you want a game you must want trinkets. Long story short I put it togehter and now it sits on a shelf with so much dust on it you can barely even see the letters spelling Normady on the side.

I could not beleive Bioware being so arrogant to say any fan surely must have bought the Collectors Editon. This is really about people trying to up the cost of games all the time. I can barely afford paying $60 a game. It seems games developers and publishers wont be happy till they make games way out of my price range. They seem to want to make gaming solely for rich people.

[OdanUrr]

kriosfan wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If they charge $10 for it, it's bound to have some kind of importance...

Just like the trims on my car are important to make my car look good.

This. It's irritating that people don't understand that it's not necessary. If it were "essential" to the plot, it would be in the game. 

I beg to differ, especially since none of us have actually played the DLC. Consider "The Arrival" DLC. One would say it's pretty much insignificant (sure, the Reapers are coming, we knew that already) but for one little fact: Shepard ends up killing 300,000 batarians. Worse, it's canon, meaning it happened whether you played it or not. In fact, it plays a key role in explaining why Shepard is on Earth at the beginning of ME3. So, someone who only bought ME2 and didn't pay for any extra DLC will have a hard time dealing with the fact that, somewhere between the aftermath of the Suicide Mission and the beginning of ME3, his/her Shepard decided to go on a killing spree that resulted in the Council revoking (if it hadn't already) Shepard's Spectre status, and the Alliance grounding and taking the Normandy away from him. And you, the player, couldn't do anything about it, not a thing.

Of course, you could argue something along the lines of, "that's not essential to defeat the Reapers, it just provides backstory." Oh, slippery slope, here we go, because if we start taking away everything that is not necessary to "defeat the Reapers" and that merely "provides backstory" we will end up with one short and shallow game. Those DLC might have worked in ME2 since they weren't a must in order to defeat the Collectors, but they did provide backstory and, Arrival at least, plays a key part in explaining the beginning of ME3.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 03 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Solmanian]

Yuoaman wrote...

So are the Reapers going to also be DLC? I mean, since they're as inconsequential as the Protheans to the lore of the universe...

A reaper companion will be a dream come true. it'll be like legionX1000! I support this.

[Zombiedude101]

OdanUrr wrote...

kriosfan wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

If they charge $10 for it, it's bound to have some kind of importance...

Just like the trims on my car are important to make my car look good.

This. It's irritating that people don't understand that it's not necessary. If it were "essential" to the plot, it would be in the game. 

I beg to differ, especially since none of us have actually played the DLC. Consider "The Arrival" DLC. One would say it's pretty much insignificant (sure, the Reapers are coming, we knew that already) but for one little fact: Shepard ends up killing 300,000 batarians. Worse, it's canon, meaning it happened whether you played it or not. In fact, it plays a key role in explaining why Shepard is on Earth at the beginning of ME3. So, someone who only bought ME2 and didn't pay for any extra DLC will have a hard time dealing with the fact that, somewhere between the aftermath of the Suicide Mission and the beginning of ME3, his/her Shepard decided to go on a killing spree that resulted in the Council revoking (if it hadn't already) Shepard's Spectre status, and the Alliance grounding and taking the Normandy away from him. And you, the player, couldn't do anything about it, not a thing.

Of course, you could argue something along the lines of, "that's not essential to defeat the Reapers, it just provides backstory." Oh, slippery slope, here we go, because if we start taking away everything that is not necessary to "defeat the Reapers" and that merely "provides backstory" we will end up with one short and shallow game. Those DLC might have worked in ME2 since they weren't a must in order to defeat the Collectors, but they did provide backstory and, Arrival at least, plays a key part in explaining the beginning of ME3.

Indeed, Arrival was an important part of the Mass Effect 2/3 storyline but it was released about a year after ME2's release, whilst with From Ashes it's a Day One DLC that's already completed and available from the moment Mass Effect 3 is released. If it was a minor thing, then it wouldn't be as much of a big deal but the main factors are that it's quite heavily linked to the storyline AND the fact that it's available from day one.

One second to last thing, IDK why but I have a very very small feeling that there might be a Prothean character in the "vanilla" version of Mass Effect 3 (No DLCs) who just won't be a squadmate, but will be able to answer questions. Who knows?

Finally, there's this to lighten the mood: www.youtube.com/watchG4-rNbvGuS

Modifié par Zombiedude101, 03 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Falcon509]

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

Why are people so up-in-arms about the DLC? It's pretty clear from the OP... It was meant as a Collector's Edition exclusive DLC. They made it available to everyone because they felt that there weren't enough CE copies made. So in essence, the SE owners can now own something that would otherwise not be available to them.

Yes, it's costs $9.99 USD but there's a $20.00 USD price difference between the CE and the SE. People who pre-ordered the CE get it for free because it was originally intended that way.

[Joker1117]

To add insult to injury, the EA support site lists it as only being 35 minutes long. Kasumi, Overlord and Arrival were all much longer and were cheaper.

[Dom1da]

so basicaly all SE owners are mad becouse they made a bad decision and are complaning about it

[OMGOSHNESS]

Joker1117 wrote...

To add insult to injury, the EA support site lists it as only being 35 minutes long. Kasumi, Overlord and Arrival were all much longer and were cheaper.

Oh damn, really? I was fine with this DLC till I found this out. I loved how Kasumi, Overlord, and Arrival were all 1.5 hours+ and only 560 msp. Half an hour for 800 msp is bull****.

[avmf8]

Falcon509 wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

Why are people so up-in-arms about the DLC? It's pretty clear from the OP... It was meant as a Collector's Edition exclusive DLC. They made it available to everyone because they felt that there weren't enough CE copies made. So in essence, the SE owners can now own something that would otherwise not be available to them.

Yes, it's costs $9.99 USD but there's a $20.00 USD price difference between the CE and the SE. People who pre-ordered the CE get it for free because it was originally intended that way.

I do not care how it was intended I don't buy CE editions of games. I don't want comic books or novels or trinkets or fabric patches or anything like that. So the devs decide they want to milk me for another 10 dollars because I did not want all that extra phisial stuff?

Only time I have ever had a phisical collectoirs edition collector stuff is once when a game store put that stuff in the box with my order. I think they wanted to get rid of it and unloaded it on me. IO literally recieved  abag of different fabric patches from various games including mass effect. I saw them and though "WTF am I going to do with these" They are now all covering the outside of my CD binder where I keep my games.

I do not want ectra things I just dont. I just want  a game. I don't want it and its wrong to withold game content from me and expect me to pay for it on day 1 because I don't want phisical extras.

I don't like peoplke trying to manipulate me into buying stuff I don't want. That is all it is they are trying to manipulate me and others into buying a special edition.

Sorry I pre ordered the game all DLC should be free for me. All the DLC should be free. Peple who did not pre order should still get the day 1 DLC for free if the game was bought new.


Bolded to be seen better I pay $60 for a game when I could have waited and this is the thanks I get.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Is From Ashes the only "Day 1" DLC coming out?

If it is and its the same one from the CE then I'm good, but if not then I'll have to wait before I spend points on the new Alan Wake dlc. xP (speaking of which, anyone played it?)

Modifié par NOD-INFORMER37, 03 mars 2012 - 11:11 .

[Falcon509]

avmf8 wrote...

Falcon509 wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

Why are people so up-in-arms about the DLC? It's pretty clear from the OP... It was meant as a Collector's Edition exclusive DLC. They made it available to everyone because they felt that there weren't enough CE copies made. So in essence, the SE owners can now own something that would otherwise not be available to them.

Yes, it's costs $9.99 USD but there's a $20.00 USD price difference between the CE and the SE. People who pre-ordered the CE get it for free because it was originally intended that way.

I do not care how it was intended I don't buy CE editions of games. I don't want comic books or novels or trinkets or fabric patches or anything like that. So the devs decide they want to milk me for another 10 dollars because I did not want all that extra phisial stuff?

Only time I have ever had a phisical collectoirs edition collector stuff is once when a game store put that stuff in the box with my order. I think they wanted to get rid of it and unloaded it on me. IO literally recieved  abag of different fabric patches from various games including mass effect. I saw them and though "WTF am I going to do with these" They are now all covering the outside of my CD binder where I keep my games.

I do not want ectra things I just dont. I just want  a game. I don't want it and its wrong to withold game content from me and expect me to pay for it on day 1 because I don't want phisical extras.

I don't like peoplke trying to manipulate me into buying stuff I don't want. That is all it is they are trying to manipulate me and others into buying a special edition.

Sorry I pre ordered the game all DLC should be free for me. All the DLC should be free. Peple who did not pre order should still get the day 1 DLC for free if the game was bought new.


Bolded to be seen better I pay $60 for a game when I could have waited and this is the thanks I get.

Like it or not, the game is a product of years of work courtesy of the work of many individuals. Even small DLC would take months to design and test. To assume that they should be free is, to be perfectly honest, childish. They worked to make the DLC and I personally think that they have to right to be reimbursed for their efforts.

[shep82]

Falcon509 wrote...


Like it or not, the game is a product of years of work courtesy of the work of many individuals. Even small DLC would take months to design and test. To assume that they should be free is, to be perfectly honest, childish. They worked to make the DLC and I personally think that they have to right to be reimbursed for their efforts.

Agreed.

[AntenDS]

avmf8 wrote...
Sorry I pre ordered the game all DLC should be free for me. All the DLC should be free. Peple who did not pre order should still get the day 1 DLC for free if the game was bought new.

Entitle meant much?

Why should you get all DLC free just because you preordered a game?

[Vasparian]

When bioware started the "Only real ME fans buy the CE" I just decided to buy it used.

[Someone With Mass]

Joker1117 wrote...

To add insult to injury, the EA support site lists it as only being 35 minutes long. Kasumi, Overlord and Arrival were all much longer and were cheaper.

You get a new weapon, a new squadmate and alternative appearances for all the other squadmates, though.

Not to mention that our Prothean friend has a lot more dialogues and interactions with the other squadmates and NPCs than Kasumi did in ME2. His backstory is rather interesting too.