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[Scorpgul]

Goddamn it Bioware I just watched TotalBiscuit's video about the ripoff that From the Ashes dlc is and I have to say he is 100% right! As a fan who has played ME1 and ME2 multiple times and read through the codecs extensively, read all the comics etc I am shocked and greatly disappointed that you have chosen to lock out what is arguably one of the most important characters in the game. Just how you can do this to your loyal fans is beyond me seriously...

For those who have not seen the video the guy is a well respected gaming commentator and speaks the truth. Check it out

[Scorpgul]

Yuoaman wrote...

So are the Reapers going to also be DLC? I mean, since they're as inconsequential as the Protheans to the lore of the universe...

+1

[CommanderCoffee]

Scorpgul wrote...

Goddamn it Bioware I just watched TotalBiscuit's video about the ripoff that From the Ashes dlc is and I have to say he is 100% right! As a fan who has played ME1 and ME2 multiple times and read through the codecs extensively, read all the comics etc I am shocked and greatly disappointed that you have chosen to lock out what is arguably one of the most important characters in the game. Just how you can do this to your loyal fans is beyond me seriously...

For those who have not seen the video the guy is a well respected gaming commentator and speaks the truth. Check it out

Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

[SAARINEN]

So, scorpgul, gonna buy it release day or a few days after? We all know you'll buy it.

[Scorpgul]

CommanderCoffee wrote...


Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

You saw it a week and a half ago, I didn't. Regardless majority of us think the same way so it is indeed a FACT

[CommanderCoffee]

Scorpgul wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...


Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

You saw it a week and a half ago, I didn't. Regardless majority of us think the same way so it is indeed a FACT

Uh, majority rule does not constitute fact. It constitutes majority opinion. Fact is based on hard evidence, studies, et cetera. Opinion is based on feelings. This is functionally an opinion piece that too many people, yourself included, are interpreting as fact because he happens to sling a few facts - Shale DLC, Zaeed, et cetera - in between his opinions. 

Here, this guy explains it. 
 

[SAARINEN]

Scorpgul wrote...

You saw it a week and a half ago, I didn't. Regardless the minority of us think the same way.

Fixed for truth.

Modifié par SAARINEN, 04 mars 2012 - 07:31 .

[LinksOcarina]

Scorpgul wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...


Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

You saw it a week and a half ago, I didn't. Regardless majority of us think the same way so it is indeed a FACT

That is the type of mentality that sheep follow, and it is a dangerous mentality to have. It is also a minority opinon, so you know. See, his video is a poorly formed opinion to clarify.

In fact, since the release of it there has been a lot of evidence against the contrary to what he believes, mostly evidence in the coding of the demo and the main game, with a few guys floating around here who know the full extant of what happens and how and why the character is not part of the main disk.

So yeah, poor opinion basically. Just keep that in mind.

[LinksOcarina]

Acidrain92 wrote...

You know...I think that Prothy would be an essential piece of DLC if he WASNT in fact the last Prothean alive.

I was thinking earlier about what made Legion essential to the story. Yes he is a Geth, and they are a big part of the ME universe. He doesn't really seem to be all that important though. You just kind of stumble upon him and he gives you some info on the Geth. You could have worked around him if you wanted. But then I realized that most likely without him...there would be no possibility of an alliance with the Geth in ME3. In fact you can just sell him as scrap in ME2, which would be a huge mistake. but you know...if Legion was just some Geth Robot you found and had no ability to help rewrite the geth heretic "DNA"...would he really be essential? He sounds more like a DLC character to me.

and then I realized...Prothy is absolutely no use at all. The rest of his race is dead. He cant help convince anybody else to help fight the Reapers. He is just an extra pair of hands and most likely will feed you some nice little info about the Protheans that we may or may not have already known.

Think about it, if any other race in our squad in ME2, purely talked about themselves, and not much about their races, would we be fuming? Would we think that was odd? Maybe the Prothean wont even really have much to say about that stuff.

I dont know. I think a lot of you are seriously jumping the gun with all of this. Prothean is basically Legion without the loyalty mission is what im thinking. Is that really justifiable within a full purchase?

Pretty much sums up what I thought when I first heard it. Its a cool side mission and yes, it is indeed a cool character. But in actuality, what can this prothean know about the reapers that we don't know already? 

Plus, we got to remember he is a soldier, not a scientist or anything like that. This already makes him kind of out of the loop because he would be more apt at coordinating attacks rather than solving the riddle of the Reapers. If anything, The Prothean will be another fellow that shall hold the line until his last breath, then live out the rest of his days if he survives this telling stories and meeting with scientists about what was left of his race.

Hell, the pathos in that can be immenseful. Imagine being the last living human on earth? How would this not be a personal struggle in the midst of an intergalactic war? 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

There's no way around it... the full story in all its facets (ie. Side Stories or otherwise)... on launch day... means purchasing From Ashes.

Atleast they didn't keep it exclusive to CE owners... imagine the crap storm Bioware would've been in then..

[kingsims]

Well its confirmed prothy is not even in the game according to a fan who has the retail game from amazon. So it seems he doesn't exist for players who don't buy him just like zaeed.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

TBH, if the DLC was something people were not that bothered about, no-one would really give a monkeys about this company's "shameful business practices". If anything, 800 ms points is a steal for a mission, a weapon, and a set of costumes for every character - which I may add were sold in packs of three at a time separately in ME2 for a much greater accumulative value. Then you get a character you can potentially spend hundreds of hours playing with, across multiple playthroughs.

Day 1 DLC is irritating to most, I don't want my games to be pre-dissected into chunks to sell, I don't want to be charged extra to play as a bunch of stuff already on game discs - especially simple things like gun-skins or character outfit changes.Don't get me wrong, I want DLC, I love more content, extra stuff, increased longevity and the like. People automatically assume that any content available on day one should have been on the disc because it was already made - even if this isn't the case it is their assumption.

The grey area is where companies specifically have people employed for the production and planning of the DLC, and they run alongside the games production - for areas such as a new character, this is almost essential to the process for proper integration into the storyline. They cant just leave a lot of open spaces and fill them later on and achieve the same level of interactivity. In the case of the "From Ashes" DLC, it was intended for the collectors edition from its initial announcement, and before it was even finished. They say originally it wasn't going to be available at launch for regular editions, but they decided that people would prefer that it was, and offered it on release. In many cases, the DLC is not completed till after the games release, but people still moan about audio files being on the disc etc - like Kasumi. In this case, is it not perfectly acceptable?

In Mass Effect 3's case, the game had an earlier release date initially, but they purposely delayed the release until after the christmas period and away from other games launch dates to decrease competition . The DLC apparently wouldn't have been ready for release then, according to Bioware, but instead was completed after the main game had gone into certification, during the three months the game had been put back for. So then surely, it would have been the same as the Kasumi DLC, and we would have all been happy? After all, Mass Effect 2 was sold without Kasumi in it, and people didnt moan that it wasnt a full game did they - even though they found out about her from files on the disc well in advance? There is nothing wrong with how this was done if so.

Cynics may say, that it was intended to get more people to buy the collectors edition and increase profit by charging much more, and then by releasing it anyway AFTER the collectors ed has sold out everywhere, they pull the DLC out of no-where and instantly make even more money from those who wouldn't or couldn't buy the collectors edition - bear in mind we only found out because of a leak, we wouldn't have known until release day otherwise. Also, wasn't the DLC supposed to be already completed for the collectors editions at launch, which means it was always going to be ready before the original launch date anyway, and NOT like the Kasumi DLC (unless of course they were behind schedule by three whole months).

Either way, for 800 points, its not much at all - I can get the game for £32.99 from Tesco, which means the DLC is basically free if you look at the price of the other retailers selling it for on average £38.99. I got the collectors and would have got it anyway without the extra character DLC because I love the series. I personally love Bioware as a developer, and am quite happy to give them more money for a better experience, as their games are usually a cut above most other developers out there. Try not to think of it as a Zaeed you have to pay for, but instead a Kasumi you got early.

Or moan endlessly, most of you enjoy the moaning anyway.

[AlanC9]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Scorpgul wrote...
For those who have not seen the video the guy is a well respected gaming commentator and speaks the truth. Check it out

Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

Well, I didn't see it. I can't imagine any worse waste of time that watching a commentator on YouTube. At least when someone posts nonsense here you can engage him.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Personally, I'm not mad at them. They've earned the right to exploit (after 2 phenominal games). I plan to buy From Ashes immediately (I get it for free anyway because of Microsoft)...

To this day, I've never payed for DLC out of pocket (all through Bing searches)... and likely never will.. but I sympathize with those who have to spend hard-earned money on it.

Bioware won't feel any substantial monetary backlash with ME3 and From Ashes... their backlash (if any) will come from their next game/IP.

[AlanC9]

kingsims wrote...

Well its confirmed prothy is not even in the game according to a fan who has the retail game from amazon. So it seems he doesn't exist for players who don't buy him just like zaeed.

OK, I'm happy now. I never wanted him, and now I don't have to have him.

[CommanderCoffee]

AlanC9 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Scorpgul wrote...
For those who have not seen the video the guy is a well respected gaming commentator and speaks the truth. Check it out

Thanks for posting that video of opinion misconstrued as fact for the hundredth time. We saw it when it came out a week and a half ago.

Well, I didn't see it. I can't imagine any worse waste of time that watching a commentator on YouTube. At least when someone posts nonsense here you can engage him.

Problem is he prefaces it as if it were the Bible, handed down directly from The Heavenly Father and intended to guide us to The Promised Land.

[SAARINEN]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Problem is he prefaces it as if it were the Bible, handed down directly from The Heavenly Father and intended to guide us to The Promised Land.

Thats what his fans seem to think of him, I used to like him but he went too far with his rant. Now ill never watch him again.  I want to see his boycotts against COD on equal grounds to his boycott on ME3. Sorry you just dont trash the best series out there, and leave other mega titles alone despite the fact that they suck harder.  I'll stick to zero punctuation aka yahtzee, at least he doesnt think hes a huge mega tool on the internet.

Modifié par SAARINEN, 04 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Yuoaman]

SAARINEN wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Problem is he prefaces it as if it were the Bible, handed down directly from The Heavenly Father and intended to guide us to The Promised Land.

Thats what his fans seem to think of him, I used to like him but he went too far with his rant. Now ill never watch him again.  I want to see his boycotts against COD on equal grounds to his boycott on ME3. Sorry you just dont trash the best series out there, and leave other mega titles alone despite the fact that they suck harder.  I'll stick to zero punctuation aka yahtzee, at least he doesnt think hes a huge mega tool on the internet.

How dare he have strong beliefs that run counter to your own, how dare he.

[Stealth3]

I have never payed for any first day DLCs ever so Bioware can go screw themselves.

[SAARINEN]

Yuoaman wrote...


How dare he have strong beliefs that run counter to your own, how dare he.

Just playing a page out of your groups handbook.  Sorry to have disrespected your messiah. Gomenasai. <3

[JaHawk]

When will this be available to buy on Xbox Live? If I click the link on the ME3 DLC page it takes me to marketplace homepage...

Modifié par JaHawk, 04 mars 2012 - 08:57 .

[CommanderCoffee]

Yuoaman wrote...

SAARINEN wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Problem is he prefaces it as if it were the Bible, handed down directly from The Heavenly Father and intended to guide us to The Promised Land.

Thats what his fans seem to think of him, I used to like him but he went too far with his rant. Now ill never watch him again.  I want to see his boycotts against COD on equal grounds to his boycott on ME3. Sorry you just dont trash the best series out there, and leave other mega titles alone despite the fact that they suck harder.  I'll stick to zero punctuation aka yahtzee, at least he doesnt think hes a huge mega tool on the internet.

How dare he have strong beliefs that run counter to your own, how dare he.

It should be illegal! It's not like most Western countries have some type of Freedom of Speech clause! [joking]

[AlanC9]

Stealth3 wrote...

I have never payed for any first day DLCs ever so Bioware can go screw themselves.

Neither have I. The difference is, I don't care if Bioware makes them or not.

[Il Divo]

AlanC9 wrote...

Stealth3 wrote...

I have never payed for any first day DLCs ever so Bioware can go screw themselves.

Neither have I. The difference is, I don't care if Bioware makes them or not.

Not even Shale?

[DaJe]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

TBH, if the DLC was something people were not that bothered about, no-one would really give a monkeys about this company's "shameful business practices". If anything, 800 ms points is a steal for a mission, a weapon, and a set of costumes for every character - which I may add were sold in packs of three at a time separately in ME2 for a much greater accumulative value. Then you get a character you can potentially spend hundreds of hours playing with, across multiple playthroughs.

Day 1 DLC is irritating to most, I don't want my games to be pre-dissected into chunks to sell, I don't want to be charged extra to play as a bunch of stuff already on game discs - especially simple things like gun-skins or character outfit changes.Don't get me wrong, I want DLC, I love more content, extra stuff, increased longevity and the like. People automatically assume that any content available on day one should have been on the disc because it was already made - even if this isn't the case it is their assumption.

The grey area is where companies specifically have people employed for the production and planning of the DLC, and they run alongside the games production - for areas such as a new character, this is almost essential to the process for proper integration into the storyline. They cant just leave a lot of open spaces and fill them later on and achieve the same level of interactivity. In the case of the "From Ashes" DLC, it was intended for the collectors edition from its initial announcement, and before it was even finished. They say originally it wasn't going to be available at launch for regular editions, but they decided that people would prefer that it was, and offered it on release. In many cases, the DLC is not completed till after the games release, but people still moan about audio files being on the disc etc - like Kasumi. In this case, is it not perfectly acceptable?

In Mass Effect 3's case, the game had an earlier release date initially, but they purposely delayed the release until after the christmas period and away from other games launch dates to decrease competition . The DLC apparently wouldn't have been ready for release then, according to Bioware, but instead was completed after the main game had gone into certification, during the three months the game had been put back for. So then surely, it would have been the same as the Kasumi DLC, and we would have all been happy? After all, Mass Effect 2 was sold without Kasumi in it, and people didnt moan that it wasnt a full game did they - even though they found out about her from files on the disc well in advance? There is nothing wrong with how this was done if so.

Cynics may say, that it was intended to get more people to buy the collectors edition and increase profit by charging much more, and then by releasing it anyway AFTER the collectors ed has sold out everywhere, they pull the DLC out of no-where and instantly make even more money from those who wouldn't or couldn't buy the collectors edition - bear in mind we only found out because of a leak, we wouldn't have known until release day otherwise. Also, wasn't the DLC supposed to be already completed for the collectors editions at launch, which means it was always going to be ready before the original launch date anyway, and NOT like the Kasumi DLC (unless of course they were behind schedule by three whole months).

Either way, for 800 points, its not much at all - I can get the game for £32.99 from Tesco, which means the DLC is basically free if you look at the price of the other retailers selling it for on average £38.99. I got the collectors and would have got it anyway without the extra character DLC because I love the series. I personally love Bioware as a developer, and am quite happy to give them more money for a better experience, as their games are usually a cut above most other developers out there. Try not to think of it as a Zaeed you have to pay for, but instead a Kasumi you got early.

Or moan endlessly, most of you enjoy the moaning anyway.

Kasumi is completely optional to the story and lore since we don't have any previous knowledge of her.

Protheans play a drasticly different role. Meeting a living fossil of such an important race to the Mass Effect universe alone would be a key moment in the story, no matter if it changes the ending or not.

Making Vega Day 1 DLC would have been a far smaller issue.