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[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

I can see what a big deal it is, I personally find a living Prothean a big deal myself - but the only real importance he has is down to your personal opinion. He does not affect the plot, he is not integral to the story - that is how I define his importance to the story. His importance to US as fans is something different, and that's why I completely understand what you mean.

Just because the Prothean race plays a huge part in the Mass Effect lore does not mean that this individuals actions will change the game substantially. I don't doubt that the Protheans will play an important part in ME3, but this character has been stated officially that other than providing some interesting dialogue, he will not affect this whatsoever.

[avmf8]

[quote]K1LL STREAK wrote...

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Kasumi was free if you bought the game new so it's different. To me it is no different if the character is prothean or not. I don't care what the DLC is day 1 DLC is not right its a flat out money grab.

Having content for just new games is kind of BS but at least its somewhat reasonable. Having DLC only being free if you bought a special edition is 100% unreasonable.

I am upset there will be a character I won't have because I do not support day 1 DLC. When I say a DLC is BS I don't buy it. I said Oblivion horse armor was BS so I did not buy it. I am using the horse armor example because its the first time I encountered DLC BS.

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Kasumi was not free, Zaeed was. Kasumi was created alongside the main game of Mass Effect two, but not completed until months after the main game had already been released. her voice files and others were found on the discs that we were sold, but nothing complete as it was all still in production. Like kasumi, the "From Ashes" DLC started production alongside the main game - this is to provide greater interactivity between the DLC and the main game instead of it just being tacked on - hugely important for things such as squad banter and plot moments, they cannot just leave empty spaces and hope to fill them later and acheive the same result.

The main game of Mass Effect 3 was already completed and had already been certified according to Bioware, but the release date was put back for three whole months because its initial release date coincided with other games. During this time, Bioware completed the "From Ashes DLC". The content could not be added to a game already in production, and to start production again with new content would have meant waiting for the game to be re-certified.

The content had already been advertised from the start as being included in the Collectors edition, and part of what they were paying for. To provide it for free for regular editions when the collectors editions owners already paid for their content would be very unfair. It wasn't going to be day 1 DLC, but because of the release date change it was - which is why I said think of it not as a Zaeed you have to pay for(who was the free one) but a Kasumi you got early. It is not "free" if you bought the special edition - it costs £30 more for the special edition, I didnt buy it for the shiny case alone. Nothing is free, buy-one-get-one-free at a supermarket isnt really that, you still have to pay money to get one for "free" so you have already paid for it in the price of the first item(which they increase the price of)..

The DLC is comparatively cheap too. The squad outfits alone could have been sold in packs of three like in ME2 for a greater accumulative value of the entire DLC, never mind the extra character and weapon..i understand you have little money and gaming is all you do, I dont agree with day 1 DLC either, I just wanted you to know all the facts, or claimed facts at least. There are a lot of assumptions going on on here, many of which are misplaced.
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Oh really Kasumi is not free? Then why did I get Kasumi for free? I for ME2 did not pre order I simply bought it at a brick and mortar gamestop new 2 days after it came out. Put in all the codes and Kasumi did not cost me a dime.  Infact all the content availiable at release day was availiable for me to download for free. If that is not supposed to be that way then it looks like a glitch for once was in my favor. It was for the 360 version that I got it free.
The stuff foor a special edition should be just outfits and weapons skins and things like that.

Also someone else made a point of the fact its on eden prime means its a big deal since your shepard started there.

Well all my sheppards did every game save I played Me1 then would use the same sheppard in ME2. I did every varriation of choices this game series has. I played both ME1 and ME2 at least 15 times each. Actually ME1 was played 2 times more since I was working on that acheivment and the second time just missed the level 60 mark so I played again so one sheppard I played over and over 3 times.

How many people on here can say they have played the mass effect series that much? I plan on playing ME1 and ME2 again after I played ME3. So I am going to have a sheppard where I go through the first game the second game and the 3rd and bassically making all 3 into 1 big game.

As far as I am concerned Bioware and EA should back down and appolgise to everyone for even trying this. That should be followed by a guarantee it won't happen again. If EA games wants more money that badly they can make more games to sell.

I am upset as this is another thing that makes me have less games. Take paying for x box live I hate having to pay for it. People say it's not much but still that is one less game I can buy. If this day 1 DLC becomes common that will mean with every 6 games I loose a game. I am not OK doing that because someone wants to make more money when they already make a nice big healthy profit.


Too edit in a bit more info I will add I played the games so much yes the prothean is a big deal to me even if its not really a needed character. I did nothing but hear about protheans and look for prothean artifact and all that for a while now. I bought the other DLC I will buy the other onces for this game. I do not see why they can not give the day 1 DLC for free. To me they should give the DLC for free for anyone who like me bought all the other DLC and bought the other games new.

They should do it as a thank you to anyone who supported them. So it makes it a more "you supported us so we are not going to screw you over"

Bottom line I paid them and they don't even appreciate it. They don't even think of me or any other customer as a person. Yet then they post PR messages to try and make people feel sorry for them. Well it works both ways they want me to feel sorry for there position they need to in turn feel sorry for mine. But not just for me for anyone they should understand already $60 is allot of money in  bad economy.

Oh and they need to also expect a hit to there wallet just like everyone else.

Modifié par avmf8, 05 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[Goldrock]

Really people just find reasons to cry about everything The dlc is optional if you dont wanna pay for it simply dont pay for it sure your gonna miss out on a fun little side mission but for the love of god get over it already almost every dlc is penned and done by a diffrent group of people the dlc is cheap as heck too i mean just cancel that one single fast food trip for the week and get the dlc it will last longer just saying.

And DLC's are more of a fan service too most the die hard fans me included really have no problem paying a couple extra bucks its like the pizza guy he does a good job ill slip em 10 bucks as a tip and thats how i see dlc's bioware puts out good job i tip.

Modifié par Goldrock, 05 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[avmf8]

Goldrock wrote...

Really people just find reasons to cry about everything The dlc is optional if you dont wanna pay for it simply dont pay for it sure your gonna miss out on a fun little side mission but for the love of god get over it already almost every dlc is penned and done by a diffrent group of people the dlc is cheap as heck too i mean just cancel that one single fast food trip for the week and get the dlc it will last longer just saying.

And DLC's are more of a fan service too most the die hard fans me included really have no problem paying a couple extra bucks its like the pizza guy he does a good job ill slip em 10 bucks as a tip and thats how i see dlc's bioware puts out good job i tip.

Oh and you think things will stay as they are I doupt it. It is not too far fetched that companies will see this sucess and start actually dissecting there games into peices and making you pay a premium for all the pieces. I for one do not want to buy my games in pieces and this is where this is going if its not stopped.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

avmf8, are you a PS3 user? That might explain why you think Kasumi was free. She was for you, PC players, and Xbox 360 players all had to PAY for her a year earlier. PS3 players got most of the DLC included because by the time it was released on the PS3 there was that much DLC out they thought people didn't want to buy a game that from new would require them to shell out a hell of a lot of money for all the other content - for a PS3 user it would be like 10 different day 1 DLC's all at once, so they included them. Kasumi was never intended to be free, just as Prothy was never intended to be day 1 DLC, but stuff happens. They wont sell Prothy for free now, because it was going to be an after launch expansion and it was budgeted as such and is expected to bring them some money. I really cannot blame you for trying, I myself find it annoying to buy a game, and then have to buy an add-on straight away(lets face it any big fan would want it before they started the story if they could). I may not be ill, but gaming is practically all I do when I am not looking after my family and I am very passionate about it too. On earlier posts I ranted about DLC just as much. I don't agree with day 1 DLC, or charging more for games etc - I just wanted to explain what I know so you can have a more educated insight. Its not my place to tell you your opinion or to say that it is wrong, I just want you to have enough information to form it accurately. You remind me of a close friend who is also disabled, though not so much, for whom playing games forms much of his life.

[avmf8]

K1LL STREAK wrote...

avmf8, are you a PS3 user? That might explain why you think Kasumi was free. She was for you, PC players, and Xbox 360 players all had to PAY for her a year earlier. PS3 players got most of the DLC included because by the time it was released on the PS3 there was that much DLC out they thought people didn't want to buy a game that from new would require them to shell out a hell of a lot of money for all the other content - for a PS3 user it would be like 10 different day 1 DLC's all at once, so they included them. Kasumi was never intended to be free, just as Prothy was never intended to be day 1 DLC, but stuff happens. They wont sell Prothy for free now, because it was going to be an after launch expansion and it was budgeted as such and is expected to bring them some money. I really cannot blame you for trying, I myself find it annoying to buy a game, and then have to buy an add-on straight away(lets face it any big fan would want it before they started the story if they could). I may not be ill, but gaming is practically all I do when I am not looking after my family and I am very passionate about it too. On earlier posts I ranted about DLC just as much. I don't agree with day 1 DLC, or charging more for games etc - I just wanted to explain what I know so you can have a more educated insight. Its not my place to tell you your opinion or to say that it is wrong, I just want you to have enough information to form it accurately. You remind me of a close friend who is also disabled, though not so much, for whom playing games forms much of his life.

No it was on the xbox 360 I was able to download Kasumi for free. So you are telling me she was not free? It is not so much this DLC I have a spare 10 but that is not the point.

My real problem is what this represents. This too me looks like a starting of a trend that will wreck gaming for me. Or limit it big time.

[Scorpgul]

Goldrock wrote...

Really people just find reasons to cry about everything The dlc is optional if you dont wanna pay for it simply dont pay for it sure your gonna miss out on a fun little side mission but for the love of god get over it already almost every dlc is penned and done by a diffrent group of people the dlc is cheap as heck too i mean just cancel that one single fast food trip for the week and get the dlc it will last longer just saying.

And DLC's are more of a fan service too most the die hard fans me included really have no problem paying a couple extra bucks its like the pizza guy he does a good job ill slip em 10 bucks as a tip and thats how i see dlc's bioware puts out good job i tip.

You don't mind paying for a crucial piece of the story that should be in the game to begin with, there are a lot of us that do and rightfully so. And we are posting here for Bioware not for you. So if this bothers you please don't reply. And for your information we are die hard fans too. I have bought every single game, dlc and comic so far and love Mass Effect as many here who disagree with the Prothean day 1 DLC have

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K1LL STREAK wrote...

Hey, why don't we all just buy it on day two? That'll show 'em!

From what I can gather, most people's main complaint isn't actually against day 1 DLC, which we all disagree with to an extent - but mainly because it happens to be a prothean and we all want one. Being a Prothean is such a big deal and a huge part of the mass effect lore yadayada. Hell, it makes me want him more than just some other guy.

The thing is, you can't just demand it for free because you would especially like it. One of the posts a page back says something like "I am entitled to this content and refuse to pay for it", you are entitled to sweet fanny adams I am afraid.

In my last post I pointed out the similarities between this DLC and the Kasumi release, to which someone replied that Kasumi wasn't such an important role as opposed to the Prothean character. In this case, this Prothean himself is confirmed to have almost no impact on the story. There is still a galaxy wide war raging, people dying, he is just someone you meet who helps your cause. Him being a Prothean is not worked into the plot line as something essential, he doesn't tell you anything that changes the course of the game. So apart from the odd dialogue banter on different missions and cutscenes, the fact that he is a Prothean doesn't really matter in the slightest, and he is no more useful than any other downloadable character would have been, regardless of species. The only difference here is that being a Prothean makes him a more desirable person to have because of the mystery surrounding them. Bioware probably thought to themselves, what would be really cool as an extra character - that people would really like? Would you rather James Vega instead(forget for a moment that he is an integral part of the story line and as such couldn't be DLC) - 'cos I wouldn't buy him. If they took Fenris's VA and made him play a role like Balthier(FFXII) again, but as a space pirate I would pay them twice as much(as long as they didn't make him whiny and emo).

Being a Prothean may may you want him more, but that does not make him necessarily any more important to the story - people's grasp of logic really is very poor.

Your opionion sir/madam literally makes the most sense on this entire thread.

[Mecha Tengu]

THE BONG IS OVAH HERE KOMMANDA

[miniy2j]

avmf8 wrote...

miniy2j wrote...

avmf8 wrote...

brunomalta wrote...

Oh man...you guys complain all the time. It was the same thing on Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2....

No its not the same you would get that free if you bought the game new.

Not exactly, Sebastian came with the game for free if you pre-ordered and got your edition switched to the signature edition (which at the time was free, as in that was the bonus you'd get the signature edition for the same price if you pre-ordered before a certain date) If you buy a new copy of DAII sans signature edition you have to pay 7$ price tag. If you buy the game used you have to pay the 7$ price tag. I mean bioware's already done this before. 

No offense the fact that you're poor and you spend most of your money trying to make your life on medical expenses isn't exactly a reason for bioware to cut down the price on a luxury item. It really isn't, they are trying to make a profit, it's a business. This wasn't made as CE exclusive, it was given to the CE people as a bonus, they paid more they  get more. You can argue about how that's not fair, but at the same time...why isn't it? Volition day-1 dlc was them taking core files out of the game, like actual core files and trying to force you to buy it as dlc. This isn't what bioware is doing, the Prothean is just a Prothean. It's about as important as Kasumi and Zaeed and possibly Sebastian from DAII . You don't have to purchase it to play a complete copy of the game. It's for all intensive purposes an add-on. What you do have a right to get annoyed with is the price of such dlc, which can be argued that it does come with more material than Kasumi did.

Here is the thing they do make profit even without doing stuff like that. Selling a game for $60 does make them allot of money.  To do the math selling to a million people would net them 60 million. I just used a round number as I have no clue how many peoplke will really buy the game. But I know for a fact they will sell more than a million copies. Many people from different countries pre ordered ME3 and there is over 6 billion people in this world.

I would guess ME3 would sell at least 6 million copies. That is 360 million dollars. Cant tell me they won't have a huge profit after the cost to make the game taken off of that.  The game took maybee what 10 million at most to make? To be more than fair I will say the game took 100 million to make which is more than fair since there is no way it cost that much to make.

That still leaves then with 260 million dollars.  They do not need to up the cost of gaming and ruin my and other people on a limited budgets fun for this. Day 1 DLC is not right I cant afford special editions so bioware goes and pulls this BS to try and get more money from me. Don't they get it if I had a good ammount of money to spend I would buy special editions of games.

Special editions should never get you more in game content ever. If they want to say include a special edition Mass Effect controller with the special edition that is fine. Or have say a nice trinket of a reaper destrying a section of city fine. But game content that is BS.

My point is simple if it was availiable day 1 it could be made availiable to any new purchase of the game for free end point.

Okay 260 million dollars, take away however much they have to pay for creating the game, printing the game, sending it to be bugged, advertising, paying all the developers, the voice actors, shipping those millions of copies, it adds up, especially  since I'm sure there are more costs hidden somewhere. Buying commercial time is expensive depending on when you want to advertise and during what program. And whatever's left over, they take some of that profit and invest in another game, which might be a gigantic loss for them. Especially given the fact that people are cutting into possible profits by pirating games and what not. 

No offense, I'd rather have in game content then random ass junk that I'm not going to use. I'm sorry it's true, give me something extra in game. I don't have time to play with night vision goggles, or remote control cars, or have space for figurines or models to line my desk. And it's cheaper for game companies to just add more content to a game then it is for them to have silly little boxes filled with random ass crap that will just sit in stores. Especially with digital distrubution starting to become more popular, it's a good switch over.

I'm going to be mean here, your argument is boo-hoo, I'm poor because I have to pay for x,y,z (your reasons are valid) but in general you're acting like they should make dlc free because you personally have a good reason is not a valid business model. EA is a company, they make money so that they can continue doing what they are doing which is creating video games and whatever else it's involved with. The fact tohat people suddenly have the urge to ****** and moan at the fact that a company has realized a new way to earn cash, is beyond silly. The CE people paid more money, a part of that price went to paying for this new dlc and other EXTRA in game content. We paid for it at a reduced rate, but we still bloody paid for it. And I'm sorry and games are starting to have an influx of in game content for for Collector's editions/limited edition versions of the game. If you play WoW they've been doing this for awhile now. Collectors/limited Edition should have content that people want and I want extra in game content, the art-book and the patch and the lithograph do nothing for me except for being shiny.

If you buy the game new I believe you get access to the multiplayer without having to buy anything extra, that's what you get. Could be wrong I don't particuarly care much for the multiplayer feature, so I haven't paid to much attention to it. 

[FredrickMcNeal]

What happened to the Cerberus network model of DLC which gave out occasional free DLC to consumers who bought new? How about Zaeed? Isn't that exactly the same situation as this?

Zaeed DLC was just another character with some added dialogue and a mission, yet he was free while this costs $10. What about Shale in Dragon Age? That was launch day DLC just like this and yet it was free.

Looks like Bioware have finally given up fighting for free DLC and given in to EA's money grabbing ways.

Something as massively important to the storyline as a Prothean deserves to be in the game as launch day DLC for free. Not $10, not $5, but free for all.

[miniy2j]

avmf8 wrote...

Goldrock wrote...

Really people just find reasons to cry about everything The dlc is optional if you dont wanna pay for it simply dont pay for it sure your gonna miss out on a fun little side mission but for the love of god get over it already almost every dlc is penned and done by a diffrent group of people the dlc is cheap as heck too i mean just cancel that one single fast food trip for the week and get the dlc it will last longer just saying.

And DLC's are more of a fan service too most the die hard fans me included really have no problem paying a couple extra bucks its like the pizza guy he does a good job ill slip em 10 bucks as a tip and thats how i see dlc's bioware puts out good job i tip.

Oh and you think things will stay as they are I doupt it. It is not too far fetched that companies will see this sucess and start actually dissecting there games into peices and making you pay a premium for all the pieces. I for one do not want to buy my games in pieces and this is where this is going if its not stopped.

Volition already started, they got slamed for it, so hard. I'm not purchasing another Saints Row game until they realize the stupidity of what they have done. They've already lost a crap ton of fans for that alone, SR  3 was a mediocore game at best, compared to the second one. The story telling was ****** poor, and they just made it uber shiny.

Hopefully bioware has learned their lesson with the debacle that was DAII, I mean they handed out free copies of ME2 to make up for it. Yes it was an apology, not a "Fan appreciation day" or however their PR department spun it. The day that companies start being cheap, and I mean cheap as sin, and not selling us full games and people begin to hear about it. Like it becomes widespread common knowledge that company is done. It is not and never will be good business sense to carve up games and sell it to people, while charging them full price for the base game.

[Chala]

Hmmm... I wonder if they'll release a trailer for this DLC.

[Goldrock]

avmf8 wrote...

Goldrock wrote...

Really people just find reasons to cry about everything The dlc is optional if you dont wanna pay for it simply dont pay for it sure your gonna miss out on a fun little side mission but for the love of god get over it already almost every dlc is penned and done by a diffrent group of people the dlc is cheap as heck too i mean just cancel that one single fast food trip for the week and get the dlc it will last longer just saying.

And DLC's are more of a fan service too most the die hard fans me included really have no problem paying a couple extra bucks its like the pizza guy he does a good job ill slip em 10 bucks as a tip and thats how i see dlc's bioware puts out good job i tip.

Oh and you think things will stay as they are I doupt it. It is not too far fetched that companies will see this sucess and start actually dissecting there games into peices and making you pay a premium for all the pieces. I for one do not want to buy my games in pieces and this is where this is going if its not stopped.

Nope never said i would stop i just dont care im not being forced to pay for the content hell im not bein forced to buy their game i choose too because i enjoy their games.

[Goldrock]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Hmmm... I wonder if they'll release a trailer for this DLC.

They problably will.

[prsquared]

Completed Downloading the N7 Digital deluxe edition yesterday. I also just realized that I have to download From Ashes separately and for some reason the download is dead slow right now. I'll be able to start playing the game within an hour, so this sucks. Should I wait till the download is complete, or should I start playing right away?

[Kanon777]

prsquared wrote...

Completed Downloading the N7 Digital deluxe edition yesterday. I also just realized that I have to download From Ashes separately and for some reason the download is dead slow right now. I'll be able to start playing the game within an hour, so this sucks. Should I wait till the download is complete, or should I start playing right away?

How can you play the ghame already?

[Kungfu Nando]

It will be cool to learn alittle extra about the protheans..then again he could be the kal reger of protheans... just "points on shoots." Hopefully he has a cool unique power shep can steal lol.

[prsquared]

tobito113 wrote...

prsquared wrote...

Completed Downloading the N7 Digital deluxe edition yesterday. I also just realized that I have to download From Ashes separately and for some reason the download is dead slow right now. I'll be able to start playing the game within an hour, so this sucks. Should I wait till the download is complete, or should I start playing right away?

How can you play the ghame already?

Cause I'm Asian 

[fetissimies]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

THE BONG IS OVAH HERE KOMMANDA

Bomboclaat! I now understand where the name "From Ashes" comes from. That n-gga Prothean gonna fill the entire Normandy with his sess smoke.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

avmf8 wrote...

K1LL STREAK wrote...

SNIP.

No it was on the xbox 360 I was able to download Kasumi for free. So you are telling me she was not free? It is not so much this DLC I have a spare 10 but that is not the point.

My real problem is what this represents. This too me looks like a starting of a trend that will wreck gaming for me. Or limit it big time.

It was paid DLC for sure, Zaeed was free. Here is some copy pasta from googling it;

BioWare posted an update on their Mass Effect 2 site yesterday, stating that "tomorrow"--which if my math is correct should at this point mean "today"--you'll be seeing the availability of Stolen Memory, the first substantive paid DLC for the game so far. The pack is out on the same platforms as the original game, 360 and PC.
 
Near as I can tell, the 560 MS points ($7) asking price gets you the shady con artist/cat burglar Kasumi Goto for your squad, as well as a new custom mission to play through in order to ensure her loyalty.

Source: Giant bomb.

From the wiki:

The pack is avaliable for 560 Microsoft or 560 BioWare points. [1]. The pack can be downloaded either viaCerberus Network or from Xbox Live for 360 users. For PC users, it can be downloaded from BioWare's Social Network.


It was never free.

I agree that the current trend in games is getting worse. COD for instance requires a £30 subscription for a service that was available on day 1, on top of the full game price which was £44. It gives you all the stat tracking we got for free in the previous installment of COD, plus a lot of fluff - videos that tell you what you should already know, clan stuff etc. Only subscribers to the Elite application receive the DLC on release, otherwise you cannot play against others with those maps - they are not available yet to those without a subscription, and when they are they will cost more. That is dearer than the ME3 special edition but without anything good at all.

Soulcalibur V is selling customisation equipment, Marvel vs Capcom 3 is selling new characters and costumes that were already on the discs etc.

I dont see a problem with this DLC if Bioware is telling the truth.

[squee913]

This DLC was cut from the core game for no other reson than to make money!

Prove it.

It is important to the plot!

Prove it.

Until you provide one once of evidence for these, you are simply throwing baseless accusations. Just because you feel something SHOULD be important does not make it so. You guys complain that Prothy is essentail because it is so lore heavy... So was the shadow broker, but I don't see anyone complaining about that DLC. The prothean race was important, but just one person from that race is no more important to the overall story than any other DLC character. Bioware stated that this was developed after the game was done and that it is not vital to the story. You want to scream BS then prove it. Would you like someone to call you a lier without a shred of evidence to back it up?

And for everyone that keeps saying CE should only have cosmetic or unimportant things is just silly. It sounds more like you are saying that it should not have anything important just so you don't feel like you missed out on not paying another $20. Heaven forbid that people who paid extra actually get something worth paying extra for! By this logic, people who pay extra for fast food should get a fancier cup, but should not get any extra soda.

[GuyIncognito21]

squee913 wrote...

 Just because you feel something SHOULD be important does not make it so.

That's very true, but the problem is that it just gives rise to another problem.  Let's say the Prothean wasn't cut content and isn't the least bit relevant to the plot.  Deal?  We're assuming your implications are correct.

NOW we have even more questions: 

1) If the character isn't important, why did they make it a prothean?  Shouldn't that be interpreted as an attempt to trick people into thinking the DLC was important when it wasn't?  What's the point in bringing back the protheans just to have him run around and talk with an accent?

2)  If the DLC isn't substantial, why are they demanding 17% of the game price for it? 

3) Isn't it just absurdly bad storytelling to resurrect a race central to the galaxy narrative after thousands of years just to do nothing with it?


So, yeah, if it turns out that Javik is more eye candy than anything else, it does solve the "cut content" problem, but it gives rise to another problem that has pretty much the same implication.

[OdanUrr]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

squee913 wrote...

 Just because you feel something SHOULD be important does not make it so.

That's very true, but the problem is that it just gives rise to another problem.  Let's say the Prothean wasn't cut content and isn't the least bit relevant to the plot.  Deal?  We're assuming your implications are correct.

NOW we have even more questions: 

1) If the character isn't important, why did they make it a prothean?  Shouldn't that be interpreted as an attempt to trick people into thinking the DLC was important when it wasn't?  What's the point in bringing back the protheans just to have him run around and talk with an accent?

2)  If the DLC isn't substantial, why are they demanding 17% of the game price for it? 

3) Isn't it just absurdly bad storytelling to resurrect a race central to the galaxy narrative after thousands of years just to do nothing with it?


So, yeah, if it turns out that Javik is more eye candy than anything else, it does solve the "cut content" problem, but it gives rise to another problem that has pretty much the same implication.

Agree with all of your points, in fact, I believe I argued some of then somewhere around the 200+ mark. If he's important, people get angry. If he's not, people get angry over having to fork over 1/6 of the game's price. Making him a prothean wasn't a very smart move all around. He should've been offered as free DLC for owners of ME1 and ME2, as a "thank you" from Bioware to fans.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 05 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[Kungfu Nando]

doesn't the price also include a alternative appearance pack which were 160 mp each for 3 characters in ME2? Doesn't that kinda help explain the price difference between the two? Fair enough kasumi gave you a new weapon too but it didn't include costume packs. Even if i wasn't getting the CE (and because of game i almost didnt'!!!!) i would have still downloaded it... it extends my favorite game and gives me add-ons.

As for the prothean's importance, i think people forget that in ME2 there were 2 characters that were optional as part of the core game and while they did impact the story were obviously NOT essential, these characters being legion and grunt. Also the fact that any character can die proves that no single character bar shepard, anderson, udina, joker, vega, ashley or kaiden is essential to the main plot and story of the ME universe, they simply add to its narrative. People also harp on that Kasumi's mission is not important, but to be honest until we play the game we can't judge that. Her mission had information that could cripple the alliance, and if you look carefully at the images, the reapers appear in keji's graybox. Seeing as the alliance is practically begging for help from the other species this could make an impact on the game if you kept it.

Anyways it seems we have all made our opinions,I have already bought all of the dlc thus far (except for the appearance packs) and as I said before my friends and I are getting it because regardless of the "controversy" we all really enjoy bioware dlc and think not only is it worth the price, its some of the best dlc out there. What other company allows you to carry over DLC purchased from its previous game (I am of course talking about the weapon and armor dlc), let alone give out quite abit of free dlc lik e zaeed that even give you achievements?

Modifié par Kungfu Nando, 05 mars 2012 - 05:07 .