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[Hatire]

This entire thing could have been avoided if this was treated like the CN and Zaed in ME2, as an incentive to get people to buy the game new instead of used. That I understand, as they are losing revenue from used games with it going straight to the shops. This however is just a money grab, cutting content from a game and then saying that "true fans" would get it in the CE. What does that make us who can't afford the CE, who have been saving up dollars here and there the last few weeks and months to be able to get the game? Are we now fake fans?

There is just so much wrong with this, it has totally and completely shaken my faith in BioWare.

[Bluumberry]

StElmo wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

I think some people are missing the point that certification takes a very long time. You can not make any changes to the game during certification. However if you want you to be doing something during certification you can make DLC.

So what happens is this
1) Content is designed for main game
2) Decided that some content can not be finished and still keep release date
3) Least important/most separable content is decided not to be finished for inclusion on the disc
4) The removed content is finished during the main products certification/manufacturing
5) Its released Day 1 as DLC

So it was in the game originally, but was not finished as it makes more business sense not too finish it before gold if then can finish it after gold.

Of course it could have been in the game but would have just delayed the game further. Sure the fans wouldn't have cared, but the people in charge of financials do. The game is already late.

Thats fine! But don't bloody sell it! Make it free for all paying customers. You know, like a good company.

*cough*entitlement*cough*

[fides5566]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

fides5566 wrote...

So this DLC gonna included in Digital Deluxe or not?
I don't see he mention Digital Deluxe at all, only CE.

Digital Deluxe already say you get Additional Character and mission right? Then you get it because it is the additional character and mission.

No, it isn't. At least in my region.
Both in website and Origin don't metion about it at all. 

[Paragon Auducan]

XqctaX wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

Lol, if they do this, im definatly canelling my preorder.

I wouldnt blame you but it seems to be what everyone is arguing about 

"How dare you charge me for something that was an incentive for other people to pay more, I demand it for free because I feel entitled to stuff. You obviously took it out of the game just so you could charge me more because I cant accept that I dont get everything I want in the main game for the cheapest price possible"

Best ive read sofar in this thread and it describes the complainers very well. there mad becouse they have to pay for something that we also had to pay for. when really they should be thankfull for getting it at all, oh and by the way. also for not having to wait for it, but accually beeing able to get it from day 1.

complaining cus you dont get something for free, something that others paid for!!! is just selfish and greedy.
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NO ONE should have to pay for this except used game buyers.

then we should just scrub the hole concept of CE aswell and have Only one version containing all the extra stuff as standard.( while that sounds Nice in a giving spirit. and accually i wouldnt mind getting all that extra stuff for free, all i really care about is getting as much as possible of this wonderfull thing we call mass effect franchise)
but we do live in a monetary based world, and as such a company seldom/never gives away extra stuff for free,

so a ONE version containing all that stuff  ME3 CE has in it ever happening in any game, seems highly unlikely ever taking place, EVER. besides that one version would probably cost so much it would make people not buy it.

seems to  still be a case of i was to cheap/poor to get the CE. so now im going to complain cus my SE does not include the Extra stuff. go get a raise, or get involved in taxpolitics. or just buy the damn DLC and you solved the problem. it ( prothean char) was created for those willing to support bioware a little extra monetarywise. if your not willing to chip in a bit extra. stop complaining that others accually do want to and get something valuble in return for it.
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CE's should NEVER have plot based DLC, CE's are for extra fluff like soundtracks and tshirts not important story aspects.

[DJBare]

loungeshep wrote...

I'm sure you pissranters have better things to do than whine about the cost of some gaming code.

Huh, this has nothing to do with whining about cost, at least not for me, I'm getting the CE despite this fiasco, my beef has always been the same, the fact they took a lore character and turned into something inconsequential.

Modifié par DJBare, 23 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[OdanUrr]

Please, people, it's not the end of the world!

... but you can see it from here.

[ArkkAngel007]

Bluumberry wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

The problem is, the majority of the people in opposition of it aren't backing it up with solutions or anything of the sort.  Just a lot of hate speech and attacking anyone who has any sort of differing opinion.

Deception was changed because we all agreed on the faults of it and backed up our claims with both evidence and suggestions.

That is far from the case here.  Many of us who are "fanboys" and "idiots" agree that Day 1 DLC probably shouldn't be priced ($10 is really steep, I might add, for a single hour or two mission with a character and suits).  A lot of us also agree that the Prothean is important to the fans.  But everything else, mostly by those angry, are just being ***holes without actually contributing anything.  Yes, there are quite a few who have demonstrated their point very well and professionally, but there should be more doing so then those who seem to want nothing more than to fight.

The best solution would be to just return to the system that worked in Mass Effect 2, include the Day 1 DLC fro free with new copies, and have used buyers purchase an online pass.

But they're already using that system.

You don't understand? MULTIPLAYER.

Multiplayer is the online pass, yes, but that's not the point.  Yes, it works again to encourage direct sales, but it's not the same as the multiplayer (sans servers), which is included in the game, and you are just unlocking it.  The DLC is different in that it actually has to be downloaded and developed separately than what was put into production.

Yuomen: That would be a good solution, except quite a few people bought the CE to access From Ashes.  Making it free wouldn't be the smartest.  I'm already paying for a marked up product to pay for all the marketing and extra costs put into the game.  Decreasing that value that I was lead to believe my money was going towards is a bit of a kick in the bollucks.  Then again, just because it isn't a good solution doesn't mean it isn't the best one.

[KBomb]

How can anyone say that a prothean doesn't have to be important to the story? In both games protheans have taken a seat only behind the reapers. To say they would add nothing of value is ridiculous. Furthermore, if this character doesn't add any importance, then the writing of him would be shoddy. You have an opportunity to have one of the most interesting and mythical beings—a being that takes up a majority of Mass effect lore—a being that has been a staple in every section of plot of in the Mass Effect universe! And make him some squad member that points out useless and miniscule facts that doesn't have any importance to the main plot? Even if you don't care about the price or practice of DLC that alone should anger you. The fact that such an important and rare chance to interact with such an extraordinary and significant character to the universe in which most of the story of Mass Effect was built around would be reduced to a few paltry lines.

[Bluumberry]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Maybe you need reading glasses to understand the point.

Just like we were given free day-1 DLC before, now we get free multiplayer instead.

No I got it, damn man, you are sad.

How so? I'm just stating how it is.

Would you have preferred them to make the multiplayer have an additional fee in exchange for getting the prothean dlc for free? I wouldn't.

Did Call of Duty , Gears of Wars or w/e
Charge for their Multiplayers?
Nope.

You are just making yourself an idiot.

Did COD and similar games start out as singleplayer games?

I wonder which of us is starting to look like the idiot.

[rumbalumba]

Imperium Alpha wrote...



Wrong. Prothy was cut out after the leak script made a ****storm. After finishing the new script they try to put it somewhere and made this DLC for CE owner.

and you're stupid enough to believe that? either way, it is in the game. you're not going to download a 200MB mission, you will download a 500kb unlock access once you get the CE. which means, they just lock it out. simple.

[T_l_M_B_0]

This thread is 98% nerdrage over-reactions, and 2% logic.

I see nothing wrong with this. As someone who was unable to preorder the CE because everywhere is sold out, this makes me happy that they are even allowing a previously CE exclusive DLC to be obtained by someone with the SE.

No idea where all this selfentitlement is coming from. ME3 is a full game, and likely a great one, whether you purchase this DLC or not, so calm the f*ck down everyone. I would love for this to be free, so then I wouldn't have to pay for it, but Im perfectly fine with shelling out another $10 for this.

[N7Infernox]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Bioware, you have become an annoyance.

You fight against the fans, like ashes struggling against the winds. This seems of victory of you. An entire character sacrificed. But even now, your company is doomed to fall. EA will beg to serve us.

We are the vanguard of your destruction...We are legion. 

[Shatterhand1701]

 And the dramatics begin anew!

The amount of chest-thumping, fist-shaking, spittle-flecked rage from people over a $10 optional - yes, OPTIONAL - launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 could probably be heard from space (where they're planning to take copies of the game, as it so happens).

I've watched TotalBiscuit's nearly-25-minute screed on the shamefulness of Bioware about the "From Ashes" day-one DLC (http://www.youtube.c...v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM#!) which will add a Prothean character to the game.  (Oh, stop whining about spoilers; the Prothean's been old news for weeks.)  And, I won't deny that he makes some valid and logical points about good vs. bad marketing. 

HOWEVER...

TotalBiscuit's belief that the "From Ashes" DLC is vital to playing the game and that Bioware is forcing the players' hands into buying it is completely based on OPINION.  Yes, the Protheans are a mystery that is central to the Mass Effect universe.  However, whatever "spoilers" there are floating around out there aside, there is no definitive proof either way about the DLC's effect on the overall game.  Bioware itself has stated time and again that the content is OPTIONAL and that the game as boxed is complete.  Could they have just as easily put it in the final game?  Yes.  Did they HAVE to?  Absolutely not.  So, what does that mean?

It means that the game, without ANY additional DLC, is completely playable, just as Mass Effect 2 was completely playable without Zaeed, Kasumi, the Firewalker mission, and Arrival, to name but a few.   Sure, adding that content enriches the game and adds new dimensions and possibilities, but it is by no means REQUIRED that you buy and install them.  The very same goes for all of the tie-in items, like the book "The Art of the Mass Effect Universe", or the action figures, or the iOS apps, etc.  All of the downloads featured with those items are OPTIONAL weapon or appearance add-ons, mostly for the multiplayer portion of the game, and are absolutely NOT REQUIRED to play and complete Mass Effect 3.  True, some of the weapons or armor do modify someone's abilities in multiplayer, but that is in no way whatsoever a new or shocking concept for ANY game manufacturer, least of all Bioware, and for anyone to take exception to that now reeks of "too much, too little, too late".

Before you start singing a song about how I'm just a Bioware fanboy trolling everyone's "righteous indignation", I've got nothing to gain from kissing Bioware's ass about anything they say or do, nor do I care too terribly whether anyone agrees with me or not.  I certainly won't be wringing my hands with worry over what people say in response to my post or hoping that Bioware says a special thank you to me in their evening prayers or some such nonsense.  They're a business first and foremost, and that people are actually stunned and shocked at a business trying to make money from a profitable franchise is naivete writ large.

That people would actually go so far as to cancel pre-orders and blatantly stop showing any support for the franchise they claim to love so dearly because they're being told they have to choose to pay money for optional material is unrelentingly sad, and I daresay pretty disgraceful.  If you want to boycott the DLC, then that's easy enough.  Don't buy it.  But at least buy the game and show due support to the people who worked hard to bring the game to you.  

To those who'd prefer to "make a statement" and walk away from it all,  I have only this to say:



That's right.  See ya.  Don't buy it.  Don't buy the game, don't buy any of the material, don't have anything to do with it.  Let the rest of us enjoy the final chapter in the Mass Effect trilogy, the product of hundreds of man-hours from Bioware, voice talent, animators, artists, modelers and more.  Stay far away from this rich, well-developed, fascinating universe for its final story.

Over $10.

Good for you.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 23 février 2012 - 02:14 .

[Farbautisonn]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

So you are saying anyone keep in their brain a thousand location for caches and such? I mean yes even as a Soldier/Civilian he could still have info but it will not allow us to defeat the Reapers since to defeat the Repears BioWare decided you need to bring lots of fleets and units to fight them back.

-Its very simple. Name the 10 biggest population centers in your civillization. Then name 10 planets your race colonized. Do you remember any talk of special weapons centers (Area 51 for instance)? A halfarsed professional interrogater can get sinificantly more from you than you can possibly imagine even without putting you through torture.

Then send archeological teams out to search them along with army weapons recovery teams. The protheans could have vital reserch centers akin to ilos that was either abandoned or not completely destroyed. There could even be places where you could find protheans in cryogenic stasis. You apparently have zero idea what impact a living breathing prothean could have on the universe.

[TK EL_]

V1per7 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

If they made it free, I think I would be entitled to get $10 back from my CE or more stuff instead

no you're not. you pre order the CE without knowing of this "DLC"...

this was leaked and that is why you see this outcry. 

you are not entitled to anything you dont even know....they could give you happy CE boys some extra costume.

a ****** shooting DLC gun perhaps? 

Nope I knew about this DLC since they announced the CE. Only an infant would have been fooled by Chris' claims that it was a mistake

[CerberusSoldier]

Its Microsoft's fault not EA

[Marionetten]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Wrong. Prothy was cut out after the leak script made a ****storm. After finishing the new script they try to put it somewhere and made this DLC for CE owner.

His voice files were in the demo. He was obviously implemented into the game before it went gold.

[Draconis6666]

Sargerus wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

In comparison to cutting content and then never offering it in any form at all, yes they should. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it.

How about delivering the complete product. Is that too much to expect from the game industry these days?

Fixed.

Considering I bet you would be hard pressed to find any game that has ever released without cutting parts of its content at some phase to meet deadlines yes it is. Before DLC that content simply disapeared forever and in best cases might manage to be pieced together from leftover parts years later by dedicated Modders.

Now with DLC companies have the ability to complete content that was not ready to be put on the disc at the time of certification and offer it to you. Its easy to say "just delay the game and put it on the disc" but every month of production a game runs costs money, again these are corporations who are in the business to make money and to make money for their shareholders, they are not in the business to continuiously push back products that cost milions even tens of millions of dollars in development costs repeatedly just because people think they are entitlted to things.

[Takamori The Templar]

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Maybe you need reading glasses to understand the point.

Just like we were given free day-1 DLC before, now we get free multiplayer instead.

No I got it, damn man, you are sad.

How so? I'm just stating how it is.

Would you have preferred them to make the multiplayer have an additional fee in exchange for getting the prothean dlc for free? I wouldn't.

Did Call of Duty , Gears of Wars or w/e
Charge for their Multiplayers?
Nope.

You are just making yourself an idiot.

Did COD and similar games start out as singleplayer games?

I wonder which of us is starting to look like the idiot.

Give you an example, Bioshock didn't had MP, they added on 2.
Guess what? Same price.

A more recent example, CDK projekt, The Witcher 2, they added **** ton of content arena mode etc etc and +4 hours of gameplay in the main story.
Guess what?For free.

Modifié par Takamori The Templar, 23 février 2012 - 02:11 .

[OdanUrr]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Yuomen: That would be a good solution, except quite a few people bought the CE to access From Ashes.  Making it free wouldn't be the smartest.  I'm already paying for a marked up product to pay for all the marketing and extra costs put into the game.  Decreasing that value that I was lead to believe my money was going towards is a bit of a kick in the bollucks.  Then again, just because it isn't a good solution doesn't mean it isn't the best one.

I've suggested earlier making it free DLC for owners of ME1 and ME2 (aka "long-time" fans) and design new bonus content to make up for owners of the ME3 CE. Would that be acceptable, I wonder?

[N7Infernox]

OdanUrr wrote...

Please, people, it's not the end of the world!

... but you can see it from here.

Funny, this tread reminds me of that extended DeusEx:HR trailer with all of those riots.

[V1per7]

sordurar wrote...

day 1 pay dlc? oke day 1 pirate

easy solution hahaha 

[MegaSovereign]

N7Infernox wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Bioware, you have become an annoyance.

You fight against the fans, like ashes struggling against the winds. This seems of victory of you. An entire character sacrificed. But even now, your company is doomed to fall. EA will beg to serve us.

We are the vanguard of your destruction...We are legion. 

Bioware, know this as you die in vein. Your time will come. Your company will fall.

Prepare yourselves for the ****storm.

[Crackseed]

rumbalumba wrote...

crackseed wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

i hope to god these Bioware fanboys gets charged $90 for Dragon Age 3 or Mass Effect 4. please lord.

This helps your case alot. Toss out additional insults just because you're being countered in a debate.

I am supporting the DLC scheme, because for me, at the moment, I do not see a large issue with it and I realize, the cost of this is basically not eating out for a day. I understand that there are many who have much tigher budgets. I also realize that as this is completely optional, no matter how "cool" the character is, it falls into the same category as every other DLC done by every other company ever.

Admittedly, I think they would be better served by doing the same thing they did with Shale - free to all game purchases regardless of edition. Since it's not that way, it comes down to either have the CE/DDE - or just shell out 10 to add it to your game. If you hate it, don't buy it and you lose nothing from the game since it's a standalone product.

Am I a mindless biodrone now? I appreciate that people are posting their opinions, but I do not sympathize when some of the opposition gets high and mighty and act like Bioware just slapped their mother in the face and robbed them at gunpoint. This DLC is no different then any other which most companies do. The days of standlone expansion packs are pretty much gone - DLC offers a quicker and more readily available method to add content that had to be cut or delayed into the game, whether it's day 1 or day 90.

Answer with your wallet, but don't come here and generalize me when I made a mature choice and do not fault you for yours nor lump you into some "You're a whiner just like everyone else!" category.

wrong. it was in the game but they cut it out, put it in the CE to entice people like you to pay them $20 more, or to make people who want to have the COMPLETE experiece shell out $10 more on top of the $60.

with that, they lose nothing and we lose something. is that so hard to understand. either way, Bioware gets to charge you more.

Please, you have no more proof of that then those claiming it was delayed content/held back for later. You are reaching, and in reaching you are eroding any semblance of a good point you're making.

Just because some info about him was in the spoiled plot doesn't mean he was created and finished for months. We saw this with ME2 where LotSB and Kasumi had preliminary VA/lines in the game code but it was pulled till they could finish it later.

Case in point - you have 0 means of backing up that claim just as much as I have 0 means of backing up that he was legitimately finished after the game hit certification. Please try again