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[SneakiestNeg]

What are we talking about? 10 dollars- who cares?

[Shinannigan]

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

Modifié par Shinannigan, 11 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[Sejborg]

SneakiestNeg wrote...

What are we talking about? 10 dollars- who cares?

Bioware and EA cares. I care. If you don't care then please send me 10 dollars. That would make me happy. 

[Lord Irvine]

I think the only real reason people are exploding about how important this character is to the main story is really just because he is a Prothean. Does that mean he's actually important to the storyline? No. Does that mean he's important to the overall story of the galaxy? Kinda, considering the Protheans should have been wiped out 50,000 years ago(Heavily Modified Collectors aside).

But, as already pointed out, only Jarvik himself is on the game, not his story, just him and his dialogue. Not everything else the pack gives, like the bonus outfits. Just Jarvik.

I don't really see what the big deal all is, besides them charging money for others to have it. EA should probably have just kept it on hold for a few months unless you bought the Collector's Edition(which I did). EA said they put it up so everyone could have it from day one, and all they did was make people complain about money.

Who are the real greedy ones? EA or the fans?

[furryrage59]

SneakiestNeg wrote...

What are we talking about? 10 dollars- who cares?

A fool and his money are soon parted.

Sprang to mind reading your comment.

[GuyIncognito21]

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

I think you miss a big point though, and that's whether the content is truly "extra," or if it's cut from the main game simply to be sold as DLC for another $10.

I mean, if EA released Madden 13 with 31 teams, while the CE came with all 32, I don't think any reasonable person would say that's "extra" content being packaged with the CE.  It's core content that's "extra" only because it was excised from the game and sold separately.

Considering how many vestiges of this DLC are in the game files of the game without the DLC, it becomes extremely difficult to take seriously BW's exhortations that everything was developed separately and after the fact.

[SneakiestNeg]

Sejborg: if you are greek I already did lol. And maybe I am a fool but I refuse to spend my short and transient existence worrying about bits and zeros in a computerserver somewhere. Did you know that your goverment can create money at a touch of a button? Those 10 dollars wont make me starve.

[furryrage59]

SneakiestNeg wrote...

Sejborg: if you are greek I already did lol. And maybe I am a fool but I refuse to spend my short and transient existence worrying about bits and zeros in a computerserver somewhere. Did you know that your goverment can create money at a touch of a button? Those 10 dollars wont make me starve.

You don't need to go through life worrying about money, but blindly throwing it away is not very smart.

[Lord Irvine]

Buy the collectors edition. Problem solved. *doesn't have to worry, even though the game won't arrive for a week*

[mud2]

taine wrote...

Blarty wrote...

So you're saying they should have kept every asset, every sound bite and every possible inaction with the Prothean off the main disc and provided that in an even bigger DLC pack, even though the dialogue is likely to have been recorded at the same time as all the other dialogue was?

...no, I'm saying that this contradicts their previous statements if I'm remembering them correctly. I don't have a horse in this race, I haven't bought the game and don't intend to for unrelated reasons. It's up to Bioware how they want to proceed with the development of their games; I'm just pointing out that it looks bad.

lrrose wrote...

I just checked, and DAO's Stone Prisoner is ~200MB, or 1/3 of From Ashes. Stone Prisoner has roughly the same amount of content as From Ashes. Even if Eden Prime is much bigger than the areas in Stone Prisoner, I find it hard to believe that it is three times the size of the entire Stone Prisoner DLC. I suspect that hacked!Javik is broken or otherwise incomplete.

 

Different engine, different game. Not really relevant to compare sizes.

mud2 wrote...

This image sums up everything nicely about this game.  

Sure, if by everything you mean largely unimportant nit-picks. 

Stealing an image from an artist without paying royalties, photoshopping a stock image, using sprites in a 2012 AAA game, DLC on disc and terrible and buggy animations are nitpicks? 

A fool and his money are easily parted. 

[mud2]

furryrage59 wrote...

SneakiestNeg wrote...

Sejborg: if you are greek I already did lol. And maybe I am a fool but I refuse to spend my short and transient existence worrying about bits and zeros in a computerserver somewhere. Did you know that your goverment can create money at a touch of a button? Those 10 dollars wont make me starve.

You don't need to go through life worrying about money, but blindly throwing it away is not very smart.

Exactly. If we are to spend $10, I would rather not be treated like a cash cow and decieved aabout the actual content.

[Rorschachinstein]

I felt like a complete idiot for buying the ashes DLC. just ot get Javik only to discover he was already in the disc. Now I go online and I'm being told I am and idiot, but I should've bought the DLC anyways. God damn<_<

[SneakiestNeg]

I dont blindly throw it around- no worries. I dont go to starbucks or buy cocktails when I go out. Videogames are a hobby and I have a budget. Nothing else coming out that I have time for anyway.

[Rorschachinstein]

SneakiestNeg wrote...

I dont blindly throw it around- no worries. I dont go to starbucks or buy cocktails when I go out. Videogames are a hobby and I have a budget. Nothing else coming out that I have time for anyway.

But blindly supporting the practice makes you better?

[Soulglow]

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

[mud2]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

I felt like a complete idiot for buying the ashes DLC. just ot get Javik only to discover he was already in the disc. Now I go online and I'm being told I am and idiot, but I should've bought the DLC anyways. God damn<_<

You are not an idiot, you were simply decieved. No one is saying you should buy the content. This is about EA / Bioware not being transparent about the DLC, among other things. If after this you sill make an informed decision, so be it. The issue here is that the more profits EA and other publishers see for this kind of DLC, the further along they will push it. They will keep pushing it untill they hit a ceiling and customers refuse to purchase this kind of DLC. But by then it will become the standard.

[Lord Irvine]

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

[taine]

mud2 wrote...

Stealing an image from an artist without paying royalties, photoshopping a stock image, using sprites in a 2012 AAA game, DLC on disc and terrible and buggy animations are nitpicks? 

A fool and his money are easily parted. 

If they did deliberately steal it then that is bad. Other than that, yes they are nitpicks. 

And I didn't buy the game and don't intend to, so yeah... you whiffed on the snark there a bit.

[Rorschachinstein]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Modifié par Rorschachinstein, 11 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Dragoonlordz]

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the product on offer which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

[mud2]

taine wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Stealing an image from an artist without paying royalties, photoshopping a stock image, using sprites in a 2012 AAA game, DLC on disc and terrible and buggy animations are nitpicks? 

A fool and his money are easily parted. 

If they did deliberately steal it then that is bad. Other than that, yes they are nitpicks. 

And I didn't buy the game and don't intend to, so yeah... you whiffed on the snark there a bit.

They did. I did not mean to snark, but merely wrote a quote. As for the nitpicks, buggy animations that dont work as intended or not nitpicks, they are bugs and issues with the game. The same issues SWTOR had. They detract from the experience and remove immersion. 

[SneakiestNeg]

I wanted the dlc, this was the fastest way to get it without going technical. Do I like the fact that I have to pay for antibiotics while it SHOULD be in my health insurance? No but what are you going to do about it. Acceptance... the corparations have won. If it was 20 dollars I would have declined, but they test these things.

[Lord Irvine]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Technically, he isn't in it, as obtaining him is impossible without the DLC(unless you like to cheat by hacking .ini files). So from a certain point of view, they didn't lie.

I'm sure this isn't the first game to have things in the main game that you need something else to actually get.

[mud2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the product on offer which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

Of course the consumer has a choice whether or not to purchase a game. The whole point of this is criticising Bioware / EA for decieving the consumer about PAID content. That is wrong business practice, and I am free to point it out and criticise it. Just because some people are willing to be fed whatever they are given doesnt mean I dont have a right to point out issues with it. You dont like what you are reading? Dont read it. Its your choice.

[mud2]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Technically, he isn't in it, as obtaining him is impossible without the DLC(unless you like to cheat by hacking .ini files). So from a certain point of view, they didn't lie.

I'm sure this isn't the first game to have things in the main game that you need something else to actually get.

It isnt "hacking" ini files. Dont be a sheep. It is simply modifying one line in the ini files, something that PC gamers, myself included do all the times to adjust certain setting or parameters in the game, such as graphics or optimisation settings.