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[Lord Irvine]

mud2 wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Technically, he isn't in it, as obtaining him is impossible without the DLC(unless you like to cheat by hacking .ini files). So from a certain point of view, they didn't lie.

I'm sure this isn't the first game to have things in the main game that you need something else to actually get.

It isnt "hacking" ini files. Dont be a sheep. It is simply modifying one line in the ini files, something that PC gamers, myself included do all the times to adjust certain setting or parameters in the game, such as graphics or optimisation settings. 

That's my bad word usage, but really I don't care, as long as you get my meaning.

[mud2]

SneakiestNeg wrote...

I wanted the dlc, this was the fastest way to get it without going technical. Do I like the fact that I have to pay for antibiotics while it SHOULD be in my health insurance? No but what are you going to do about it. Acceptance... the corparations have won. If it was 20 dollars I would have declined, but they test these things.

Lol terrible analogy. Gaming is a luxury, health isnt. Plus what kind of attitude is that? Acceptance? So you are willingly accepting to being ripped off? "That is how it is so i might as well do it". Terrible view point. You should criticise these corporations and make a decision the best way you can; with your money.

[Farbautisonn]

SneakiestNeg wrote... Did you know that your goverment can create money at a touch of a button? Those 10 dollars wont make me starve.

-Spoken like a .... with zero insight in economy.

[joriandrake]

/facepalm

Modifying a .ini file is not "hacking", it also stretches the meaning of "cheating" to the max

if it is something in the game you own you can do whatever you want to your own vversion as long it doesn't affect other players as well

as I see it some are basically only attacking others here because they are pissed they didn't realize the ability to modify it themselves



as for money, 10 Dollars mean a lot, especially if
1. not a working adult
or
2. not from a nation that use Dollar as currency and has weaker economy

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Lord Irvine]

mud2 wrote...

SneakiestNeg wrote...

I wanted the dlc, this was the fastest way to get it without going technical. Do I like the fact that I have to pay for antibiotics while it SHOULD be in my health insurance? No but what are you going to do about it. Acceptance... the corparations have won. If it was 20 dollars I would have declined, but they test these things.

Lol terrible analogy. Gaming is a luxury, health isnt. Plus what kind of attitude is that? Acceptance? So you are willingly accepting to being ripped off? "That is how it is so i might as well do it". Terrible view point. You should criticise these corporations and make a decision the best way you can; with your money.

The thing is, even if you criticise them and complain, even if a thousand people do that, the probability of it changing anything is practically zilch. Everyone is really just barking at the moon.

[nitsaj]

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

[Lord Irvine]

joriandrake wrote...

/facepalm

Modifying a .ini file is not "hacking", it also stretches the meaning of "cheating" to the max

Again, my bad. I couldn't think of a word to put, so I put the closest one at the tip of my mind.

And it is cheating. You're putting a character in that you haven't unlocked, thus bypassing a recruitment mission(even if you don't have it). That's technically cheating.

[Lord Irvine]

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

Modifié par Lord Irvine, 11 mars 2012 - 09:26 .

[Rorschachinstein]

This. This is cancer.

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Technically, he isn't in it, as obtaining him is impossible without the DLC(unless you like to cheat by hacking .ini files). So from a certain point of view, they didn't lie.

I'm sure this isn't the first game to have things in the main game that you need something else to actually get.

[Dragoonlordz]

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the 'product on offer' which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

Of course the consumer has a choice whether or not to purchase a game. The whole point of this is criticising Bioware / EA for decieving the consumer about PAID content. That is wrong business practice, and I am free to point it out and criticise it. Just because some people are willing to be fed whatever they are given doesnt mean I dont have a right to point out issues with it. You dont like what you are reading? Dont read it. Its your choice.

Read the first paragraph again. It doesn't make any difference if was made prior or after, contained on/in or not. The product you bought was the one they said they were selling, not what you think you are entitled to. What you paid for is what they told you could have for your money, this hasn't changed no matter how many times you cry wolf or even if the content was or was not on disc itself, created before or created after.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[SneakiestNeg]

Lol you are right Farbautisonn I'm sure it takes more than one button.

[mud2]

Lord Irvine wrote...

mud2 wrote...

SneakiestNeg wrote...

I wanted the dlc, this was the fastest way to get it without going technical. Do I like the fact that I have to pay for antibiotics while it SHOULD be in my health insurance? No but what are you going to do about it. Acceptance... the corparations have won. If it was 20 dollars I would have declined, but they test these things.

Lol terrible analogy. Gaming is a luxury, health isnt. Plus what kind of attitude is that? Acceptance? So you are willingly accepting to being ripped off? "That is how it is so i might as well do it". Terrible view point. You should criticise these corporations and make a decision the best way you can; with your money.

The thing is, even if you criticise them and complain, even if a thousand people do that, the probability of it changing anything is practically zilch. Everyone is really just barking at the moon.

Again terrible attitude to have. People complained and critcised EA about the weapons DLC for BF3 and it became a time exclusive. Many similar situations previously occured. Its about speaking up and showing them that this is not ok, that disrespecting paying customers and cutting corners is not acceptable. People did that with SWTOR and eventually started leaving the game en masse, and now the game is failing terribly. If you think that Bioware / EA wont consider this the next game, you are sorely mistaken. You have a choice as a consumer, and that is with your money. By not purchasing this game or purchasing it at a lowered price in the future, you are showing them that these practices are not acceptable. Its about having some principals and making informed decisions. 

[Lord Irvine]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

This. This is cancer.

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Soulglow wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

What does that have to do with Bioware lying?

What exactly DID they lie about?

THAT JAVIK WASN'T IN THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE GAME. HE WAS IN IT. HE IS PLAYABLE. AND PEOPLE ARE DUKED INTO GIVING 10$ THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GAME

Technically, he isn't in it, as obtaining him is impossible without the DLC(unless you like to cheat by hacking .ini files). So from a certain point of view, they didn't lie.

I'm sure this isn't the first game to have things in the main game that you need something else to actually get.

Good job, you can read things seperately. Now try putting the entire thing together and reading it. You might just understand what was said.

[joriandrake]

Lord Irvine wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

/facepalm

Modifying a .ini file is not "hacking", it also stretches the meaning of "cheating" to the max

Again, my bad. I couldn't think of a word to put, so I put the closest one at the tip of my mind.

And it is cheating. You're putting a character in that you haven't unlocked, thus bypassing a recruitment mission(even if you don't have it). That's technically cheating.

well, as said it stretches that meaning a lot

 the more correct word would be "Modding"

you know, modding, what enables you to change character eye/hair color, stats, or amount of money, or using Dragon Age examples, allows to change affliction/influence point amount, amount of hitpoints, and similar



This issue would only matter if it would be a multiplayer game that affects everyone, a DLC can't even be called "DLC" if the content what can be unlocked with this method was already present, without additional downloaded files. It contradicts the name itself.
Bioware seemed to have made a mistake by keeping those files there (and as it seems meanwhile lying about content info) but that is not the fault of players, and I never heard of modding a singleplayer game to be illegal in any similar case. The executive (.exe) file is untouched.

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Rorschachinstein]

Lord Irvine wrote...

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[mud2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the 'product on offer' which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

Of course the consumer has a choice whether or not to purchase a game. The whole point of this is criticising Bioware / EA for decieving the consumer about PAID content. That is wrong business practice, and I am free to point it out and criticise it. Just because some people are willing to be fed whatever they are given doesnt mean I dont have a right to point out issues with it. You dont like what you are reading? Dont read it. Its your choice.

Read the first paragraph again. It doesn't make any difference if was made prior or after, contained on/in or not. The product you bought was the one they said they were selling, not what you think you are entitled to. What you paid for is what they told you could have for your money, this hasn't changed no matter how many times you cry wolf or even if the content was or was not on disc itself.

Read my statement again. I am criticisng them for such decisions and I am informing others about this, so that they know what they are purchasing themselves. EA / Bioware have already demonstrated that they will feed us lies, basically false advertising, about their game content. So I say make a decision with what counts; your money. They did this with SWTOR with the high res textures issues and I managed to get a full refund for the digital version of the game. Fortunately, I didnt purchase this one and I dont plan to.

Modifié par mud2, 11 mars 2012 - 09:31 .

[Lord Irvine]

mud2 wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

mud2 wrote...

SneakiestNeg wrote...

I wanted the dlc, this was the fastest way to get it without going technical. Do I like the fact that I have to pay for antibiotics while it SHOULD be in my health insurance? No but what are you going to do about it. Acceptance... the corparations have won. If it was 20 dollars I would have declined, but they test these things.

Lol terrible analogy. Gaming is a luxury, health isnt. Plus what kind of attitude is that? Acceptance? So you are willingly accepting to being ripped off? "That is how it is so i might as well do it". Terrible view point. You should criticise these corporations and make a decision the best way you can; with your money.

The thing is, even if you criticise them and complain, even if a thousand people do that, the probability of it changing anything is practically zilch. Everyone is really just barking at the moon.

Again terrible attitude to have. People complained and critcised EA about the weapons DLC for BF3 and it became a time exclusive. Many similar situations previously occured. Its about speaking up and showing them that this is not ok, that disrespecting paying customers and cutting corners is not acceptable. People did that with SWTOR and eventually started leaving the game en masse, and now the game is failing terribly. If you think that Bioware / EA wont consider this the next game, you are sorely mistaken. You have a choice as a consumer, and that is with your money. By not purchasing this game or purchasing it at a lowered price in the future, you are showing them that these practices are not acceptable. Its about having some principals and making informed decisions. 

I've never played BF3, nor do I ever intend to. So I have no knowledge of what happened there, or in SWTOR. I only know what I have seen in my own experience. From what I've seen, people are mad because they think that the character was removed from the game and is an integral part of the plot. However, he is not, and it's not like it's impossible to have the prothean character on the disc along with some of his dialogue. However, even though he is on it, the actual DLC made to obtain him was in the works seperately from the main game. No one considers the fact that it is easy to put a character on the game when it is finished, even though the DLC to obtain him is not. If one knows the end product, they can place it to where it is ready to be available even though the method to obtain said finished product is not finished.

[nitsaj]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

No lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map. If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

[Lord Irvine]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

[BurnOutBrighter]

Yes, I bought the CE so I guess I'm guilty of supporting this practice. Fans will go to the greatest lengths to ensure they have the most complete version of the game, including paying for on-disc DLC, which many have actually embraced. If it didn't make them money, it would have stopped happening.

However, what gets me is that BioWare openly lied about the content. By saying it was completely optional and not integral to the story, when it's actually one of the most important story developments. By saying it was worked on by a separate team and separate content developed after the main production, when it's clear that it was made as part of the game, then cut out and sold as DLC.

I don't mind paying more for the complete experience. But a developer, publisher, ANY company that deliberately lies to me is unacceptable.

I'm sure I will enjoy Mass Effect 3. But BioWare have lost my trust and the trust of many loyal gamers and I can no longer support buying their games on release day. I hope they learn that reputation can be more important that revenue.

[SneakiestNeg]

Will there be a game of the year edition at some point?

[Dragoonlordz]

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the 'product on offer' which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

Of course the consumer has a choice whether or not to purchase a game. The whole point of this is criticising Bioware / EA for decieving the consumer about PAID content. That is wrong business practice, and I am free to point it out and criticise it. Just because some people are willing to be fed whatever they are given doesnt mean I dont have a right to point out issues with it. You dont like what you are reading? Dont read it. Its your choice.

Read the first paragraph again. It doesn't make any difference if was made prior or after, contained on/in or not. The product you bought was the one they said they were selling, not what you think you are entitled to. What you paid for is what they told you could have for your money, this hasn't changed no matter how many times you cry wolf or even if the content was or was not on disc itself.

Read my statement again. I am criticisng them for such decisions and I am informing others about this, so that they know what they are purchasing themselves. EA / Bioware have already demonstrated that they will feed us lies, basically false advertising, about their game content. So I say make a decision with what counts; your money. They did this with SWTOR with the high res textures issues and I managed to get a full refund for the digital version of the game. Fortunately, I didnt purchase this one and I dont plan to.

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is. So your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Lord Irvine]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

Yes, I bought the CE so I guess I'm guilty of supporting this practice. Fans will go to the greatest lengths to ensure they have the most complete version of the game, including paying for on-disc DLC, which many have actually embraced. If it didn't make them money, it would have stopped happening.

However, what gets me is that BioWare openly lied about the content. By saying it was completely optional and not integral to the story, when it's actually one of the most important story developments. By saying it was worked on by a separate team and separate content developed after the main production, when it's clear that it was made as part of the game, then cut out and sold as DLC.

I don't mind paying more for the complete experience. But a developer, publisher, ANY company that deliberately lies to me is unacceptable.

I'm sure I will enjoy Mass Effect 3. But BioWare have lost my trust and the trust of many loyal gamers and I can no longer support buying their games on release day. I hope they learn that reputation can be more important that revenue.

I'm usually a year late to these kind of things, but Mass Effect 3 is the first time I've bought a game around when it first comes out. Whether I'll do it again or not is up to what the game is and how much I love it/the series.

[nitsaj]

Lord Irvine wrote...


I've never played BF3, nor do I ever intend to. So I have no knowledge of what happened there, or in SWTOR. I only know what I have seen in my own experience. From what I've seen, people are mad because they think that the character was removed from the game and is an integral part of the plot. However, he is not, and it's not like it's impossible to have the prothean character on the disc along with some of his dialogue. However, even though he is on it, the actual DLC made to obtain him was in the works seperately from the main game. No one considers the fact that it is easy to put a character on the game when it is finished, even though the DLC to obtain him is not. If one knows the end product, they can place it to where it is ready to be available even though the method to obtain said finished product is not finished.

Well at this point, it's not even just about the prothean, it's about the game being full of bugs, texture problems, lack of effort in creativity, and blatant lies. This goes way beyond the small things straight to your rights as a consumer, and one of your rights is to complain about the product you purchase if it doesn't WORK or is NOT what was advertised. Sure it's happene before, but at some point as a consumer you have to say, enough is enough, and unfortunately BW/EA happen to put out a product that forced this. 

And if you think this is just a ME3 problem go look at Capcom, Square Enix, Epic, InfinityWards/activistion/sludgehammer forums. We're getting ripped off all over the place. Consumers are tired of this BS.

[mud2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

As stated in the other thread which will probably be locked due to covering the same elements as this one...

Makes no difference whether the DLC is on the disc, released day one or 2 months down the line as in all situations is was not part of the 'product on offer' which is what you make your purchase based on. If you don't like how games are being made or distributed then the games are clearly not being made for "you". Others who have no problem with such things are who the products are made for. I grew up and realised this long ago, I think others need to do the same.

I find some peoples lack of common sense annoying with regard to making a simple choice of either buying what is "offered" as a product or not buying it instead of the moaning about it like they have a right to what is "not offered". If you don't like how games are made or distributed, either buy a different game or take up knitting as an alternative hobby to gaming. There are other developers and games out there you can latch onto like they owe you something if what Bioware creates and sell is not what you wish or like to buy.

Feedback and criticism of the game content is fair and reasonable but you do not get to decide how they do business or how/what products they offer. If you want to assume direct control of what is made and how it is distributed then make your own games and see how well you do. Seriously find a new hobby or another developer to moan at 24/7 if what this one makes is not to your liking.

Of course the consumer has a choice whether or not to purchase a game. The whole point of this is criticising Bioware / EA for decieving the consumer about PAID content. That is wrong business practice, and I am free to point it out and criticise it. Just because some people are willing to be fed whatever they are given doesnt mean I dont have a right to point out issues with it. You dont like what you are reading? Dont read it. Its your choice.

Read the first paragraph again. It doesn't make any difference if was made prior or after, contained on/in or not. The product you bought was the one they said they were selling, not what you think you are entitled to. What you paid for is what they told you could have for your money, this hasn't changed no matter how many times you cry wolf or even if the content was or was not on disc itself.

Read my statement again. I am criticisng them for such decisions and I am informing others about this, so that they know what they are purchasing themselves. EA / Bioware have already demonstrated that they will feed us lies, basically false advertising, about their game content. So I say make a decision with what counts; your money. They did this with SWTOR with the high res textures issues and I managed to get a full refund for the digital version of the game. Fortunately, I didnt purchase this one and I dont plan to.

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".