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[Rorschachinstein]

nitsaj wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year
now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate
and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made
available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the
Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be
little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the
only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too
expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain
about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE
- which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from
day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates
that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was
working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a
different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct
contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content.
If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you
anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can
anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the
the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the
content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal
if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but
available for DL for free after finished.

Making the
DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood
from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been
cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is
suddenly free.

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

No
lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away
with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get
the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map.
If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which
you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing
that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map
pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not
even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of
content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact
that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

The books and toys don't really matter. You paid extra for them, fine, you get them. Now being told that you're only buying 90% of the game and that you'll have pay 10$ for the other 10% is a horrible buisness practice.

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

nitsaj wrote...

Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

You paid extra for those books and toys. Now people who didn't are being punished in the actual game. This is't some random re skinned weapon. This is a companion character the was purposley locked so people would be forced to pay for it to enjoy the full game.

Modifié par Rorschachinstein, 11 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

[BurnOutBrighter]

Lord Irvine wrote...
I'm usually a year late to these kind of things, but Mass Effect 3 is the first time I've bought a game around when it first comes out. Whether I'll do it again or not is up to what the game is and how much I love it/the series.

I actually just got into Mass Effect in the last 2 weeks. I had to see what all the fuss was about. I haven't played ME3 but bought the CE anyway, knowing it would have the most content. I'm currently about 1/3 through ME2, and got all the DLC upon starting, so from my perspective I get the full ME2. But buying ME3 now as a release game, I see how bad the DLC practice has gotten.

[Lord Irvine]

nitsaj wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...


I've never played BF3, nor do I ever intend to. So I have no knowledge of what happened there, or in SWTOR. I only know what I have seen in my own experience. From what I've seen, people are mad because they think that the character was removed from the game and is an integral part of the plot. However, he is not, and it's not like it's impossible to have the prothean character on the disc along with some of his dialogue. However, even though he is on it, the actual DLC made to obtain him was in the works seperately from the main game. No one considers the fact that it is easy to put a character on the game when it is finished, even though the DLC to obtain him is not. If one knows the end product, they can place it to where it is ready to be available even though the method to obtain said finished product is not finished.

Well at this point, it's not even just about the prothean, it's about the game being full of bugs, texture problems, lack of effort in creativity, and blatant lies. This goes way beyond the small things straight to your rights as a consumer, and one of your rights is to complain about the product you purchase if it doesn't WORK or is NOT what was advertised. Sure it's happene before, but at some point as a consumer you have to say, enough is enough, and unfortunately BW/EA happen to put out a product that forced this. 

And if you think this is just a ME3 problem go look at Capcom, Square Enix, Epic, InfinityWards/activistion/sludgehammer forums. We're getting ripped off all over the place. Consumers are tired of this BS.

I suppose that's true. My ME3 CE doesn't get here for a week, so i have yet to really see if it matches up to the first and second games. 

I haven't purchased a Square Enix game since Final Fantasy X. Seems like the older games go, the better they are(story wise).

[Lord Irvine]

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year
now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate
and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made
available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the
Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be
little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the
only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too
expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain
about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE
- which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from
day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates
that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was
working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a
different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct
contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content.
If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you
anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can
anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the
the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the
content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal
if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but
available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the
DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood
from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been
cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is
suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

No
lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away
with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get
the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map.
If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which
you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing
that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map
pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not
even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of
content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact
that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

[/quote]


The books and toys don't really matter. You paid extra for them, fine, you get them. Now being told that you're only buying 90% of the game and that you'll have pay 10$ for the other 10% is a horrible buisness practice.

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

[/quote]

You paid extra for those books and toys. Now people who didn't are being punished in the actual game. This is't some random re skinned weapon. This is a companion character the was purposley locked so people would be forced to pay for it to enjoy the full game.


[/quote]

As I'm pretty sure this has been stated before, the DLC isn't a major part of the game, it's OPTIONAL. And I highly doubt it amounts to 10% of the whole game. That's way blown out of proportion.

Also, I didn't even know about any books or toys. I'm only concerned about the software.

[nitsaj]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

While I do agree to this a bit, it is your responsiblity to make sure this product if for you, responsiblity rest on the company to advertise their product properly so you can make informed decisions.

As for you comment about MW3, as much as I hate to admit it, you're right. Same thing over and over and yet people purchase it. However, people have been getting up in arms because of the content they paid for for the elite is not being given to them, ie clan ops, maps pack for ps3 elite purchases, and the always present hit markers problems. However, this is another francshise, and I'm only addressing this to examplify the fact that even a franchise like that is not without it's problems when it comes to advertising a product and not delievering

[mud2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

Are you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms. Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right, or lack thereof. 

Modifié par mud2, 11 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[Lord Irvine]

BurnOutBrighter wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...
I'm usually a year late to these kind of things, but Mass Effect 3 is the first time I've bought a game around when it first comes out. Whether I'll do it again or not is up to what the game is and how much I love it/the series.

I actually just got into Mass Effect in the last 2 weeks. I had to see what all the fuss was about. I haven't played ME3 but bought the CE anyway, knowing it would have the most content. I'm currently about 1/3 through ME2, and got all the DLC upon starting, so from my perspective I get the full ME2. But buying ME3 now as a release game, I see how bad the DLC practice has gotten.

I've never liked the DLC practice, especially when Bethesda basically screwed over us Playstation users with Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion. All we playstation users could get were Shivering Isles and Knights of the Nine, which had to be bought WITH the actual game, while Xbox and PC users could download nearly a dozen other add-ons, some of which were pretty awesome looking.

[Rorschachinstein]

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year
now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate
and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made
available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the
Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be
little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the
only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too
expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain
about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE
- which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from
day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates
that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was
working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a
different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct
contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content.
If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you
anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can
anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the
the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the
content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal
if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but
available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the
DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood
from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been
cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is
suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

No
lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away
with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get
the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map.
If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which
you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing
that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map
pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not
even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of
content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact
that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

[/quote]


The books and toys don't really matter. You paid extra for them, fine, you get them. Now being told that you're only buying 90% of the game and that you'll have pay 10$ for the other 10% is a horrible buisness practice.

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

[/quote]

You paid extra for those books and toys. Now people who didn't are being punished in the actual game. This is't some random re skinned weapon. This is a companion character the was purposley locked so people would be forced to pay for it to enjoy the full game.


[/quote]

As I'm pretty sure this has been stated before, the DLC isn't a major part of the game, it's OPTIONAL. And I highly doubt it amounts to 10% of the whole game. That's way blown out of proportion.

Also, I didn't even know about any books or toys. I'm only concerned about the software.
[/quote]
Trying to treat your customers like walking money tree's and then
becoming hostile dicks when they're actually intelligent about their
purchase is going full retard on such a level somewhere in the universe a
entire galaxy dies.

And so is EVERY other person that is raging.

[Dragoonlordz]

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

Are you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms. Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right, or lack thereof. 

Love the way you show your true colours with regard to insults and name calling revealing the level of maturity you approach responding to others. If your not interested in what Bioware makes and as you have stated do not intend to buy their game while also prefer CDPR or Obsidian then why are you here spouting nonsense about something you have no intention of buying in first place. Feel free to hang out on CDPR forums (I do too sometimes) if they make what you like and Bioware do not. There are multiple developers doing multiple things, if this one is not to your liking why do you spend you time here bashing them while could be doing something you enjoy more on a developer site you do intend to buy from and like unless your here to bait and troll which given your tone and response in your last reply I would be inclined to believe that being the case.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Rorschachinstein]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

Are you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms. Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right, or lack thereof. 

Love the way you show your true colours with regard to insults and name calling revealing the level of maturity you approach responding to others. If your not interested in what Bioware makes and as you have stated do not intend to buy their game while also prefer CDPR or Obsidian then why are you here spouting nonsense about something you have no intention of buying in first place on here. Feel free to hang out on CDPR forums (I do too sometimes) if they make what you like and Bioware do not. There are multiple developers doing multiple things, if this one is not to your liking why do you spend you time here bashing them while could be doing something you enjoy more on a developer site you do intend to buy from and like unless your here to bait and troll which given your tone and response in your last reply I would be inclined to believe that being the case.

Are you supporting that Bioware lose a whole chunk of it's fanbase and consumers. That's just bad business.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

Are you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms. Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right, or lack thereof. 

Love the way you show your true colours with regard to insults and name calling revealing the level of maturity you approach responding to others. If your not interested in what Bioware makes and as you have stated do not intend to buy their game while also prefer CDPR or Obsidian then why are you here spouting nonsense about something you have no intention of buying in first place on here. Feel free to hang out on CDPR forums (I do too sometimes) if they make what you like and Bioware do not. There are multiple developers doing multiple things, if this one is not to your liking why do you spend you time here bashing them while could be doing something you enjoy more on a developer site you do intend to buy from and like unless your here to bait and troll which given your tone and response in your last reply I would be inclined to believe that being the case.

Are you supporting that Bioware lose a whole chunk of it's fanbase and consumers. That's just bad business.

Chunk? These forums represent less than 1% of their actual fanbase and sales and it is only a smaller percent of that complaining. He said he does not intend to buy the product therefore he is not a customer but a potential one. With regard to potential ones, you will never please everyone all of the time and they do not make games for 'you' or 'me' but everyone who 'likes' what they make. If you do not like what they make it is more beneficial for you to buy something else you do enjoy instead.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Lord Irvine]

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year
now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate
and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made
available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the
Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be
little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the
only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too
expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain
about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE
- which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from
day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates
that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was
working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a
different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct
contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content.
If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you
anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can
anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the
the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the
content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal
if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but
available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the
DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood
from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been
cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is
suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

No
lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away
with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get
the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map.
If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which
you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing
that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map
pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not
even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of
content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact
that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

[/quote]


The books and toys don't really matter. You paid extra for them, fine, you get them. Now being told that you're only buying 90% of the game and that you'll have pay 10$ for the other 10% is a horrible buisness practice.

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

[/quote]

You paid extra for those books and toys. Now people who didn't are being punished in the actual game. This is't some random re skinned weapon. This is a companion character the was purposley locked so people would be forced to pay for it to enjoy the full game.


[/quote]

As I'm pretty sure this has been stated before, the DLC isn't a major part of the game, it's OPTIONAL. And I highly doubt it amounts to 10% of the whole game. That's way blown out of proportion.

Also, I didn't even know about any books or toys. I'm only concerned about the software.
[/quote]
Trying to treat your customers like walking money tree's and then
becoming hostile dicks when they're actually intelligent about their
purchase is going full retard on such a level somewhere in the universe a
entire galaxy dies.

And so is EVERY other person that is raging.

[/quote]

I never said it was right, but you have the option to say no. Me, if it's something I like enough, I'll pay a little extra to get the most out of it.

I don't have a job, am usually busy with college, and what little I have in my bank account isn't moving, but when it comes to my free time, if I want it bad enough, I'll pay for it.

[mud2]

Modifié par mud2, 11 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[Rorschachinstein]

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]mud2 wrote...

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]mud2 wrote...

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

What
they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as
what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling
aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid
with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on
what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as
it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or
think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people
who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything
as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are
willing to pay for it.

[/quote]

Hence the further downfall
of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers,
and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill
they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by
then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I
previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

[/quote]

Then
make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to
hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to
buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source
of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and
willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for
example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people
are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this
hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going
to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

[/quote]

Are
you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the
issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers
who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and
dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise
them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms.
Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud
agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain
aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually
reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right,
or lack thereof. 

[/quote]

Love the way you show your
true colours with regard to insults and name calling revealing the level
of maturity you approach responding to others. If your not interested
in what Bioware makes and as you have stated do not intend to buy their
game while also prefer CDPR or Obsidian then why are you here spouting
nonsense about something you have no intention of buying in first place
on here. Feel free to hang out on CDPR forums (I do too sometimes) if
they make what you like and Bioware do not. There are multiple
developers doing multiple things, if this one is not to your liking why
do you spend you time here bashing them while could be doing something
you enjoy more on a developer site you do intend to buy from and like
unless your here to bait and troll which given your tone and response in
your last reply I would be inclined to believe that being the case.

[/quote]

Are you supporting that Bioware lose a whole chunk of it's fanbase and consumers. That's just bad business.

[/quote]

Chunk?
These forums represent less than 1% of their actual fanbase and sales
and it is only a smaller percent of that complaining. He said he does
not intend to buy the product therefore he is not a customer but a
potential one. With regard to potential ones, you will never please
everyone all of the time and they do not make games for 'you' or 'me'
but everyone who 'likes' what they make. If you do not like what they
make it is more beneficial for you to buy something else you do enjoy
instead.

[/quote]

http://boards.4chan....v/res/132301605












[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year
now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate
and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made
available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the
Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be
little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the
only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too
expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain
about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE
- which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from
day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates
that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was
working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a
different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct
contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content.
If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you
anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can
anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the
the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the
content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal
if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but
available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the
DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood
from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been
cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is
suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

No
lord makes sense. When you purchase CE and LE things, you come away
with the belief that only those how also purchased those CE and LE get
the content, it doesn't matter if it's a book, new appearance or a map.
If you see someone get the same or even a portion of the content, which
you paid for, free then yeah you feel slighted. It's like the same thing
that EPIC did that got them bad feedback from fans. Charging for map
pack (with the season pass) and then giving the maps out for free not
even 2 months later.

If you want to argue with the case of
content, it's not about the content being given for free it's the fact
that you're offering that content to those that didn't pay for it, free

[/quote]


The books and toys don't really matter. You paid extra for them, fine, you get them. Now being told that you're only buying 90% of the game and that you'll have pay 10$ for the other 10% is a horrible buisness practice.

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]Rorschachinstein wrote...

[quote]Lord Irvine wrote...

[quote]nitsaj wrote...

[quote]Shinannigan wrote...

To all those complaining about Day 1 DLC:

It's been known for a year now that the Collector's Edition would include an additional Squadmate and Mission. It was to be assumed that that extra content would be made available as DLC sooner or later, and if the extra goodies of the Collector's Edition were offered for free later on, then there would be little point in the Collector's Edition, now, would there?
So the only valid complaint is that maybe you think 800 points are too expensive in comparison to the content you get, but you can't complain about it costing money in principle or about the extra content of the CE - which people have paid extra for - being available to everyone from day one.
[/quote]

you do realize that your comment implicates that BW had at least knowlege of this dlc and, more than likely, was working on it at the same time as the main game. Regardless if it was a different team or not, this would, in most debates be seen as a direct contradiction of statements made by BW regarding this day one content. If you can advertise the content for sell for CE an not SE then you anticipate that it will be completed before shipping. If you can anticipate this then again, you probably are working on it during the the main story to ensure that those that purcharsed CE's will have the content that was promised. Now this wouldn't be a huge problem or deal if it was handled like BF3 where the content wasn't finished but available for DL for free after finished.

[/quote]
Making the DLC free would silence the compaints, but would raise a whole new brood from the people who bought Collector's Editions and have suddenly been cheated out of the extra money they paid to have content that is suddenly free.

[/quote]

Yeah because those books and toys don't matter. This is a terrible, terrible way to look at it.

[/quote]

And books and toys are related to this how? I bougth the collectors edition, so I paid extra for the DLC to come with it. If they make the DLC free to silence all of the complaints, where does that leave me? High and dry.

[/quote]

You paid extra for those books and toys. Now people who didn't are being punished in the actual game. This is't some random re skinned weapon. This is a companion character the was purposley locked so people would be forced to pay for it to enjoy the full game.


[/quote]

As I'm pretty sure this has been stated before, the DLC isn't a major part of the game, it's OPTIONAL. And I highly doubt it amounts to 10% of the whole game. That's way blown out of proportion.

Also, I didn't even know about any books or toys. I'm only concerned about the software.
[/quote]
Trying to treat your customers like walking money tree's and then
becoming hostile dicks when they're actually intelligent about their
purchase is going full retard on such a level somewhere in the universe a
entire galaxy dies.

And so is EVERY other person that is raging.

[/quote]

I never said it was right, but you have the option to say no. Me, if it's something I like enough, I'll pay a little extra to get the most out of it.

I don't have a job, am usually busy with college, and what little I have in my bank account isn't moving, but when it comes to my free time, if I want it bad enough, I'll pay for it.
[/quote]

Yeah, people wanted ME3 bad. but then they cut off a chunk and asked you to buy more. They added cost not value.

[Lord Irvine]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Yeah, people wanted ME3 bad. but then they cut off a chunk and asked you to buy more. They added cost not value.

Except it's not a chunk, it's a single optional character. I did my first playthroughs of ME2 without any additional content, but when I did go to get DLCs, I got everything except alternate outfits, because I'm not going to spend $5 just so they can look pretty.

[Kandid001]

Guys please pay some attention to your quotes.

[Rorschachinstein]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Yeah, people wanted ME3 bad. but then they cut off a chunk and asked you to buy more. They added cost not value.

Except it's not a chunk, it's a single optional character. I did my first playthroughs of ME2 without any additional content, but when I did go to get DLCs, I got everything except alternate outfits, because I'm not going to spend $5 just so they can look pretty.

That is a chunk. And that is what they did.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chunk? These forums represent less than 1% of their actual fanbase and sales and it is only a smaller percent of that complaining. He said he does not intend to buy the product therefore he is not a customer but a potential one. With regard to potential ones, you will never please everyone all of the time and they do not make games for 'you' or 'me' but everyone who 'likes' what they make. If you do not like what they make it is more beneficial for you to buy something else you do enjoy instead.

http://boards.4chan....v/res/132301605

Care to explain why linking that proves anything just because contains some people whining who may also be the same people in here doing such? Does that change that the less than 1% of customers Bioware has are ones who complain on these forums? No is the answer. Does it change that they shipped over 3.5million copies in such short period of time? No again. Does it show that you may hang out in the biggest trolling location on the internet (4chan)? Maybe.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Lord Irvine]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Lord Irvine wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Yeah, people wanted ME3 bad. but then they cut off a chunk and asked you to buy more. They added cost not value.

Except it's not a chunk, it's a single optional character. I did my first playthroughs of ME2 without any additional content, but when I did go to get DLCs, I got everything except alternate outfits, because I'm not going to spend $5 just so they can look pretty.

That is a chunk. And that is what they did.

It's a single piece of additional optional content that they made the mistake of releasing on day one, tricking tons of people into thinking they'd had an entire part of the game snatched from them. Is it an important piece? No. Why do people think that? Because the additional optional character happens to be a Prothean, a supposedly extinct race. What's the reasoning for people to think that a key part of the game was snatched from them? Because a single character that was on the game has been taken off and now requires an additional purchas of DLC to correctly obtain. Is there any other reasoning? No. There's a character that was on the game, that is no longer accessable without DLC.

One Character=/=Core Part of the Game

[mud2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mud2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What they are purchasing is what is advertised. This they already know as what they are entitled to because that is what Bioware/EA are selling aka offering for them to purchase and they are paying for. I have paid with my money, I see the world for what it is and base my purchases on what is advertised for my money. What they advertised is what I got as it the case with everyone else even if they won't admit it themselves or think about it in a more mature manner, the 3.5million or more people who may of bought it that is so your crusade is not going to do anything as the fans got what they paid for and the numbers show they are willing to pay for it.

Hence the further downfall of gaming practices. This will set precedents for future publishers, and they will keep pushing the boundaries to what is acceptable untill they hit a break off point. It is a shame people cant see that, but by then it will be too late. If 3.5 million people bought it, then like I previously mentioned, "A fool and his money are soon to be parted".

Then make a choice, either buy alternative games or switch developers to hang around or change hobbies. If they are not making what you want to buy or selling it in a way you wish to buy it then find another source of entertainment. If most people are happy with how things are and willing to buy aforementioned products (just take MW3 map packs for example it's a truly vast business and source of income of which people are willing to pay on masse), then clearly the only problem is that this hobby is maybe no longer something for you. It certainly is not going to change as shown in sales most people are willing to pay for such.

Are you dumb or just pretending to be? Gaming is still a hobby I enjoy, the issue here is bussiness practices. There are a ton of other developers who do a much better job at WRPG (cdprojekt, obsidian) in my opinion and dont use the same business practices. I can still choose to criticise them for what they do, and it is your choice to not read my criticisms. Just becasuse you happen to be an impetuous fanboy doesnt mean I shoud agree with you. Just because a certain numer is agreeable with a certain aspect doesnt mean everyone is. Do you comprehend what you are actually reading or do you just like to blather out whatever you think is right, or lack thereof. 

Love the way you show your true colours with regard to insults and name calling revealing the level of maturity you approach responding to others. If your not interested in what Bioware makes and as you have stated do not intend to buy their game while also prefer CDPR or Obsidian then why are you here spouting nonsense about something you have no intention of buying in first place. Feel free to hang out on CDPR forums (I do too sometimes) if they make what you like and Bioware do not. There are multiple developers doing multiple things, if this one is not to your liking why do you spend you time here bashing them while could be doing something you enjoy more on a developer site you do intend to buy from and like unless your here to bait and troll which given your tone and response in your last reply I would be inclined to believe that being the case.

Well after 3 or 4 inane posts from you, I was surprised and was wondering if you do indeed comprehend what I am writing. You are right, I am free to to hang out on whatever forums I want. I am also free to hang out on this forum. I am also free to criticise Bioware for their game design choices. For the umpteenth time, you are free not to read my criticisims. You also proved that you are a thoughless fanyboy by labeling my criticisms as trolling. So far I have presented logical opinions and facts (refer to the image posted in the last 2 pages). You on the other hand kept repeating the same thing stating that I can choose to do blah blah.... i am fully aware what I can and can not do. Keep up the reging fanboyism. Its only trolling if its about games you like eh?

[Rorschachinstein]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chunk? These forums represent less than 1% of their actual fanbase and sales and it is only a smaller percent of that complaining. He said he does not intend to buy the product therefore he is not a customer but a potential one. With regard to potential ones, you will never please everyone all of the time and they do not make games for 'you' or 'me' but everyone who 'likes' what they make. If you do not like what they make it is more beneficial for you to buy something else you do enjoy instead.

http://boards.4chan....v/res/132301605

Care to explain why linking that proves anything just because contains some people whining who may also be the same people in here doing such? Does that change that the less than 1% of customers Bioware has are ones who complain on these forums? No is the answer. Does it change that they shipped over 3.5million copies in such short period of time? No again. Does it show that you may hang out in the biggest trolling location on the internet (4chan)? Maybe.

Do you want more links. To Forbes articale perhaps. Maybe the youtube comments? Maybe the video showing that shi practice is bull?

Oh and shipping isn't really selling.

[mud2]

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Rorschachinstein wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chunk? These forums represent less than 1% of their actual fanbase and sales and it is only a smaller percent of that complaining. He said he does not intend to buy the product therefore he is not a customer but a potential one. With regard to potential ones, you will never please everyone all of the time and they do not make games for 'you' or 'me' but everyone who 'likes' what they make. If you do not like what they make it is more beneficial for you to buy something else you do enjoy instead.

http://boards.4chan....v/res/132301605

Care to explain why linking that proves anything just because contains some people whining who may also be the same people in here doing such? Does that change that the less than 1% of customers Bioware has are ones who complain on these forums? No is the answer. Does it change that they shipped over 3.5million copies in such short period of time? No again. Does it show that you may hang out in the biggest trolling location on the internet (4chan)? Maybe.

Do you want more links. To Forbes articale perhaps. Maybe the youtube comments? Maybe the video showing that shi practice is bull?

Oh and shipping isn't really selling.

Watch out man, those are critici- i mean "trolling" comments. Keep that logic out of here.

/sarcasm

Modifié par mud2, 11 mars 2012 - 10:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

mud2 wrote...

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Why did you repeat or more accurately spam the same reply twice? I guess I was right about your trolling or baiting then at this stage if can't even be bothered to write anything new other than spam the same identical replies. Might I suggest you cool your head if you wish to debate and talk to others as not only are you copy and pasting the same replies spamming now the thread but your typing has gotten very much worse and aggressive. If want a response to something you said then I suggest you lose the attitude problem first.

[string3r]

dat quote pyramid