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[mogonk]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

2011,
They killed it with Dragon Age 2, dunno what the hell happened with the old brilliant David Gaider, he went mad and bioware went down the hill.
I don't want to believe its the same man who wrote Baldurs, NWN , Kotor and DA:origins.Its a nightmare, but its real.

DA2 was just a symptom of a larger illness.  It's impossible to pinpoint exactly where Bioware first started to go bad, all that's certain is that they're now proving to us just how bad things have gotten.

[felipejiraya]

I'll just leave this here.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503190946856961
"It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503318277529601
"DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503545466195968
"On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."

[Draconis6666]

DJBare wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yes they should Games are not a necessity they area  luxury good. They should be grateful that anyone bothers to make games for them to play at all. If they dont want to spend their money on a game that is their choice as consumers it does not entitle them to everything they want simply because they have money and spend it on something.

Are you for real?, an awful lot of people would be out of a job if we did not pay for their product, it's not a neccesity for us, but it damn well is for them if they want to bring home the bread and butter.

But thats the point the vast majority of people will buy the game anyway and dont care about all your ranting. Because most people understand that a Luxury good is something you pay for because you want to not because you need to and if they dont want to spend money on additiona stuff for it they wont, they do not run around screaming and demanding things because they think they should have it because they paid money for something and it didnt come with it.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Yuoaman wrote...


This is where I'll have to disagree - I believe if they're going to havea Prothean squad mate then they should let ever fan appreciate it, no matter how much money they spent for their copy of the game.

I do agree with this. I really do. Prothy is going to be something pretty special and I think everyone should have the opportunity to see him without paying for DLC. I was genuinely sad when I found out he was going to be the DLC character for the CE.

But the point is this: you cannot - cannot - include this in the regular version of the game for free without cheapening the CE. Sure, I get all this extra stuff still, but I paid for that stuff in addition to the Prothean squadmate. It was advertised as such by BioWare. Wouldn't you agree that they should stick to their guns on what they advertise?

So, I cannot in good faith support making him a part of the SE game for no charge, even if he is the Prothean, and thus, awesome.

[PSUHammer]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

So, for all the distrust and hate for Bioware here, I am assuming you folks won't be buying/playing ME3 and will move on to something more productive with your lives?

Not me, I just won't be purchasing future products until this practice is changed to something more favorable to the customer.

So, I wonder if I should be pissed at Toyota.  I just bought my new van and the package I got only had front wheel drive.  The all wheel drive option was on a more expensive trim package.  Shouldn't this very important feature be included in the base package!!!???

Gosh darn it!!  I am calling Toyota to complain it should be free for everyone!  And, I am not going to buy another car until that happens!

Oh, the horror!

 

its an close comparison but it still not  exactly the same.  Upgrading a car that has front wheel drive to all wheel drive is not as simple as downloading a code from  Toyota's website.    

essential if the car you bought that had front-wheel drive  the same exact car that had all wheel drive and they just took the back, flipped a switch and wham bam  its all -wheel. Then  yes you would  have a right to complain because the All-wheel was already they're in the car they just had blocked off and locked.  

But wait!  What does it matter how they do it!??  They are still keeping all the features from me, the consumer!  I DEMAND that they make these features free of charge for ALL models.  In fact, I want the DVD entertainment system installed.  That is easily added in the back, right?  But NOOOOOOOOO they have the audacity to actually want to CHARGE me for that OPTION!  What in the world are they thinking?

You know what?  I am going to go on their website forum and complain about it endlessly and I am going to create a Youtube video decrying modern consumerism because I am just irrational.  All those fanboy Toyota owners can burn! 

Modifié par Hammer6767, 23 février 2012 - 02:32 .

[RiouHotaru]

Adain878 wrote...

Heres the problem, They did one of two things. Either the DLC is like zaeed, a short tacked on character and quest. In which case its doing a huge disservice to the character, plot, and Mass Effect universe. Or its like Shale, a fully integrated character with important plot significance. If thats the case its a giant FU to every fan of the game. You'll be missing out on very significant and most likely epic moments unless you give us more money, trololol...

And you wonder why people are PO'd about this. They are either asking you to bend over, or just not giving a crap about the universe.

Uhhh...Shale wasn't plot significant though.  She added to the backstory.  But she wasn't significant to the plot.  Not having her didn't detract anything.

[tomorrowstation]

Anyone in the Chicago area cancelling a CE? I feel like drinking someone's milkshake, so to speak.

[OdanUrr]

scalade2009 wrote...

I'm a long time fine (got ME1 on day 1) and I have been looking forward to this game for YEARS but this right here is completely uncalled for. We're not going to be quiet about this and you guys have time to change it. FREE THE PROTHEANS

I was actually expecting to watch a video with the "FREE THE PROTHEANS" motto. Not very nice.

[ShadowyMOON]

There's really no need to get all philosophical and go at each other's throats about this you know.

You bought the CE, you don't like the business practice, voice your concern. If you don't care, enjoy your CE.

Vote with your wallets people and stop speculating how well/poorly our Prothean buddy is implemented in the game. We simply can't know that.

Personally, I'm curious how BioWare will react to this and it might potentially be a deal breaker. I sure as hell ain't getting $10 1 day DLC anyway.

[Farbautisonn]

Bluumberry wrote...

That was a nice one, did you come up with it yourself? Sorry but this won't kill ME, Bioware or EA.

You do realize that tune was also played on the Bullfrog and Westwood studios homepages? 

[Takamori The Templar]

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

And those against it seem to be blinded by their arguments that are full of logical holes and complete ignorance of economics, how businesses opperate, or even how video games are produced.

Sorry you don't save your Video Game business by killing it.

That was a nice one, did you come up with it yourself? Sorry but this won't kill ME, Bioware or EA.

You seem upset , it was because of your terrible logic regarding the MP?
Maybe the user that called your Master Derp.
Not my fault

[Sargerus]

gabe2gg wrote...

wolfman391 wrote...

 LOL you lot need to get a life or go out more in to the real world. I'v been gaming for over 20 years and I'm all most about to give up on coming to this forum as all I see day-in, day-out is a lot of BS from you lot how this is not right or this is unfair.

Forum are a place were we talk about the game and get info and Dev can give out info and try and keep us in the loop with new and bits. This forum is a part of Biowere that they offer to you for free and this is how you treat them you all make me sick, You all are lucky that they do not pull the plug and shut down the froum as I would of a long time ago.

If you do not like it that you have to pay for DLC then don't buy it, A true fan will pay for it, Some years ago I payed $10 for a $1 coin with star trek on it. Why as i'm a fan if this DLC was $20(£15) I would still buy it Why same as before I'm a fan. 

Yes we get it, you are a fanboy but its no excuse for Bioware to lie about the DLC being put into production well after the game was certified. Does Bioware really think we're that stupid?

People are still gonna buy it. 
CoD is the most profitable franchise of the videogame industry.
Yes, we are stupid. 

[Ignotis]

This is the last bioware game I'll purchase, I'll wait until its in the bargain bin and probably pirate the dlc.

It seems bioware is the new westwood. Excessive DLC at launch, progressively worse writing, relationships being a little extra perk to becoming a pillar of the game and something biodrones specifically purchase games for now. They even have a writer whose previous works are by all means worse than fan fiction, who thinks combat and gameplay in a video game is a nuisance and that you should skip the "filler" stuff in between homosexual sex cut scenes.

I don't believe mass effect 3 will be as bad as DA2, but it doesn't live up to the standards set by the previous games. Brock Mcstrongjaw your squadmate looks straight from jersey shore, 2d sprites, terrible attempts at emotional appeal by having kids be blown up (not protesting this from a moral standpoint, could care less the kid is incinerated) when no such thing is needed when giant tripods destroying earth serve to pull on the players emotional strings perfectly fine, having one button be the end all universal control.

[RiouHotaru]

felipejiraya wrote...

I'll just leave this here.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503190946856961
"It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503318277529601
"DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503545466195968
"On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."

Stanley Woo wrote...
Usually, DLC is developed late in production by either a different team or by some of the original team who may not be needed for the main game anymore. Writers and some designers, for example, are most needed at the start and the middle of production, and less so at the end of a project.

Because it is a bonus and an extra, it has a slightly lower priority than the main game. The main game has to be content-locked and the game sent for certification anywhere between 2-8 weeks before the street date. If a game fails certification, whatever caused it to fail must get fixed, which means the entire thing must be tested again. The game must be certified all over again from the beginning because the game on disc has changed.

During the certification process, some folks can be working on a day 1 patch or moved to other projects (they're certainly not sitting idle). They could also be working to finish the DLC that will be made available on day 1. Because it is downloadable content, there is no physical media to manufacture and distribute, which means the DLC can be finished closer to the street date. It still has to be certified, but the process is much faster because it is a) not on physical media and much, much smaller than a full-sized game. Appearance packs and weapons are compartively smaller and simpler than story and character-based DLC, and people and effort are scheduled accordingly.

So, like a meal order in a kitchen, the team tries to schedule things so that everything is finished in time to come out together.

 

There, now there can NO question.

[Crackseed]

Saiphas85 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

crackseed wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...



wrong. it was in the game but they cut it out, put it in the CE to entice people like you to pay them $20 more, or to make people who want to have the COMPLETE experiece shell out $10 more on top of the $60.

with that, they lose nothing and we lose something. is that so hard to understand. either way, Bioware gets to charge you more.

Please, you have no more proof of that then those claiming it was delayed content/held back for later. You are reaching, and in reaching you are eroding any semblance of a good point you're making.

Just because some info about him was in the spoiled plot doesn't mean he was created and finished for months. We saw this with ME2 where LotSB and Kasumi had preliminary VA/lines in the game code but it was pulled till they could finish it later.

Case in point - you have 0 means of backing up that claim just as much as I have 0 means of backing up that he was legitimately finished after the game hit certification. Please try again

his audio files were stripped as far back as June last year, his character and mission was announced November last year.

so you're telling me they just finished him after they went gold? and suddenly he's available on release date for $10? rrriiiight. keep telling yourself that.

people are not stupid. to work out a character, his mission, his dialogue for different circumstances and different missions, and only completing it after the game has gone gold and offering it as day 1 DLC for $10? does that make sense to you at all? you're in denial as much as your head is far up Bioware's arse.

As a matter of fact yes, go check Casey Hudson's twitter page, he explains how the process works.

Yep, as Saiphas noted - you really don't understand how game development works. I am not a game developer but I have certainly talked to people who do and it's never as simple as you'd like to think it is. Game content can be planned for years and as they get down to the final stretch, time constraints will force them to cut content for release later.

In earlier years this was stuff that we saw in expansion packs. Today we often see it as DLC, released either day 1 or down the road. The presence of audio files and script lines is hardly proof this character was finished and then cut to "gouge you" - it indicates they had him planned and started to work on him. Whether he was truly finished or not is something only Bioware knows. YOU are making assumptions as much as anyone else, myself included. So please don't try to act like you know and then insult me for making my own assessements.

[phimseto]

Here's how I feel...something as critical as a squadmate should be free to all, like they did with Zaeed to anyone who bought a new copy of ME3. What they are doing with "From Dust" seems terribly wrong, and I hope they change their minds on it.

[ArkkAngel007]

V1per7 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

And those against it seem to be blinded by their arguments that are full of logical holes and complete ignorance of economics, how businesses opperate, or even how video games are produced.

it's simply put this way.

if a game is not released, it is not finish. if there is a content for the game BEFORE release, it should be in the game when its released. with no extra charge.

the age of Downloading content into your game to have an extra hours or so is being BLUNTLY abused at this point. 

It wasn't completed by the certification dates.  It takes a while to manufacture all those products being shipped world-wide.

I don't agree with how they went about it, but the content itself is fine.

[nitefyre410]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

*Pyramid collapse*

We can always change things - the Deception thread is proof of that.

 

that it is.. that it is.

*snip*

 

when  have  I or did I every call anyone  supporting your side of the debate a Biodrone nor did I call you one, nor do I think you one at all and hears another little  bit of info for you.  Capcom pull this same mess with  MVC 3  with   Jill and Shuma Gorath and I got the collecters of that and  got them for free and you know what ?  Still felt the same way... why? because Characters should never be  Day 1 paid DLC ... EVER ... period nor should the exclusive to Collector Editions.  Its Crap and BS  the information is on the disc and all we are paying  for in a  code to play content that is already there.  

Look at like this... you go to a resturant ... you buy  your meal  they cook it right. They don't charge for the fresh food and then charge for cooking the meal.
 
Well lets look at the total price of the CE - you said $20 bucks extra... okay well the ME  3  Art book is listed on Amazon  at $ 26... so that means the $20 bucks you paid extra for the CE does not even  cover the cost of the  artbook  seperately.  So now  tally them with  soundtrack well that will run you about   $15-20   game soundtracks tend to be more exspensive then regular CD's.   With those alone you getting well worth that 20 bucks plus all the extra's includeding the DLC ... so for 20 bucks your are getting the character for free because the 20 bucks you paid extra for CE does not even cover the cost of the artbook and soundtrack.


No CDR   I don't think you are  biodrone or a stupid  fangirl...I think  we are seeing things differently. 

plus if there is one word I hate its Biodrone ...I hate it almost as much as I hate Huntard.  

[mranderson25]

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

February 22nd, 2012. The date that literally TENS, nay...HUNDREDS of people said that Bioware/EA would collapse over a matter of $10.

Hear that? That's the sound of me laughing at how ridiculous this all is.

[WeWant]

wiggles89 wrote...

Meanwhile, in Poland...

classy

[Yuoaman]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...


This is where I'll have to disagree - I believe if they're going to havea Prothean squad mate then they should let ever fan appreciate it, no matter how much money they spent for their copy of the game.

I do agree with this. I really do. Prothy is going to be something pretty special and I think everyone should have the opportunity to see him without paying for DLC. I was genuinely sad when I found out he was going to be the DLC character for the CE.

But the point is this: you cannot - cannot - include this in the regular version of the game for free without cheapening the CE. Sure, I get all this extra stuff still, but I paid for that stuff in addition to the Prothean squadmate. It was advertised as such by BioWare. Wouldn't you agree that they should stick to their guns on what they advertise?

So, I cannot in good faith support making him a part of the SE game for no charge, even if he is the Prothean, and thus, awesome.

I actually ordered the Collector's Edition, and I really do want Prothy to be in everyone's games. He has a cool back story and I'm really looking forward to taking him places - every Shepard should have a vaguely African alien buddy thing.

[Takamori The Templar]

Ignotis wrote...

This is the last bioware game I'll purchase, I'll wait until its in the bargain bin and probably pirate the dlc.

It seems bioware is the new westwood. Excessive DLC at launch, progressively worse writing, relationships being a little extra perk to becoming a pillar of the game and something biodrones specifically purchase games for now. They even have a writer whose previous works are by all means worse than fan fiction, who thinks combat and gameplay in a video game is a nuisance and that you should skip the "filler" stuff in between homosexual sex cut scenes.

I don't believe mass effect 3 will be as bad as DA2, but it doesn't live up to the standards set by the previous games. Brock Mcstrongjaw your squadmate looks straight from jersey shore, 2d sprites, terrible attempts at emotional appeal by having kids be blown up (not protesting this from a moral standpoint, could care less the kid is incinerated) when no such thing is needed when giant tripods destroying earth serve to pull on the players emotional strings perfectly fine, having one button be the end all universal control.

And well guess the story will repeat , Mass Effect will be finally over, what else will hold the old fans?
Dragon Age 3?After Dragon Age 2 fiasco.

[The Tesla Effect]

mogonk wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

2011,
They killed it with Dragon Age 2, dunno what the hell happened with the old brilliant David Gaider, he went mad and bioware went down the hill.
I don't want to believe its the same man who wrote Baldurs, NWN , Kotor and DA:origins.Its a nightmare, but its real.

DA2 was just a symptom of a larger illness.  It's impossible to pinpoint exactly where Bioware first started to go bad, all that's certain is that they're now proving to us just how bad things have gotten.

 Bioware went down hill somewhere at the time ME2 was out, thats when the ranting started, DA2 made it worse, ME Deception even more and by the looks of the ME3 leaked script this isnt going to end well.