Imperium Alpha wrote...
EA has already seen worse than those years. If you ask me Activision right now is way more problematic than EA is. As long as Activisition will continue milking CoD and such EA will not be the focus.
crackseed wrote...
V1per7 wrote...
53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....
they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....
1995-2012 rip bioware
53 pages of largely the same people repeating their same arguments over and over. Try not to overstate things in your zeal to pain those in support of this as villains or that Bioware is a devil stealing your lunch money.
I evaluated the money I would spend to get the full experience + whatever add-ons they offered. It was a conscience choice. I still think it would be cool to have it included with each game purchase, no matter of version. But since it IS a non-main plot critical DLC, having it as 10 dollar Day 1 DLC falls into the usual modus operandi of most companies in this day and age.
Holy crap, I'm not blinded by their words! I made a choice all on my own! *puts on big boy pants* Honestly, I appreciate both sides of the arguments as there are people opposed to this making great points, but when you make posts like that? You're not one of them. Accept that there are plenty of people who have very little issue with this just as you and others don't like it and cut out the childish insults.
Takamori The Templar wrote...
Bluumberry wrote...
Takamori The Templar wrote...
Draconis6666 wrote...
And those against it seem to be blinded by their arguments that are full of logical holes and complete ignorance of economics, how businesses opperate, or even how video games are produced.
Sorry you don't save your Video Game business by killing it.
That was a nice one, did you come up with it yourself? Sorry but this won't kill ME, Bioware or EA.
You seem upset , it was because of your terrible logic regarding the MP?
Maybe the user that called your Master Derp.
Not my fault
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mranderson25 wrote...
V1per7 wrote...
53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....
they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....
1995-2012 rip bioware
February 22nd, 2012. The date that literally TENS, nay...HUNDREDS of people said that Bioware/EA would collapse over a matter of $10.
Hear that? That's the sound of me laughing at how ridiculous this all is.
In my opinion he should have never been brought. It will ultimately in ANY way feel cheap. But they're bringing him, if they're doing it, make him integral to the plot progression, make the best excuse possible that he wasn't brought before (it's funny that he's supposedly in Eden Prime lol) and someone very important. Not the case.ArkkAngel007 wrote...
RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
Probably something that was changed.Dave of Canada wrote...
Michael Gamble wrote...
- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.
Sorry, I have difficulty believing this considering the Prothean was in all script leaks and used to be pretty vital to the main plot at one point.
He was in the first script, but not the second. To be honest, the plot with him included was poorly done on paper that I'm glad that he was removed from that.
Should he have stayed in somehow? Yes, but that is only my opinion. If he was though, then everyone would complain that it being so lame that a Prothean was brought into the plot, no matter how much sense it would have made.
crackseed wrote...
Saiphas85 wrote...
rumbalumba wrote...
crackseed wrote...
rumbalumba wrote...
wrong. it was in the game but they cut it out, put it in the CE to entice people like you to pay them $20 more, or to make people who want to have the COMPLETE experiece shell out $10 more on top of the $60.
with that, they lose nothing and we lose something. is that so hard to understand. either way, Bioware gets to charge you more.
Please, you have no more proof of that then those claiming it was delayed content/held back for later. You are reaching, and in reaching you are eroding any semblance of a good point you're making.
Just because some info about him was in the spoiled plot doesn't mean he was created and finished for months. We saw this with ME2 where LotSB and Kasumi had preliminary VA/lines in the game code but it was pulled till they could finish it later.
Case in point - you have 0 means of backing up that claim just as much as I have 0 means of backing up that he was legitimately finished after the game hit certification. Please try again
his audio files were stripped as far back as June last year, his character and mission was announced November last year.
so you're telling me they just finished him after they went gold? and suddenly he's available on release date for $10? rrriiiight. keep telling yourself that.
people are not stupid. to work out a character, his mission, his dialogue for different circumstances and different missions, and only completing it after the game has gone gold and offering it as day 1 DLC for $10? does that make sense to you at all? you're in denial as much as your head is far up Bioware's arse.
As a matter of fact yes, go check Casey Hudson's twitter page, he explains how the process works.
Yep, as Saiphas noted - you really don't understand how game development works. I am not a game developer but I have certainly talked to people who do and it's never as simple as you'd like to think it is. Game content can be planned for years and as they get down to the final stretch, time constraints will force them to cut content for release later.
In earlier years this was stuff that we saw in expansion packs. Today we often see it as DLC, released either day 1 or down the road. The presence of audio files and script lines is hardly proof this character was finished and then cut to "gouge you" - it indicates they had him planned and started to work on him. Whether he was truly finished or not is something only Bioware knows. YOU are making assumptions as much as anyone else, myself included. So please don't try to act like you know and then insult me for making my own assessements.
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ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Also, from what I gather, the Prothean himself has been finished for a few months, but the mission was not (needed the rest for the proper game so that he doesn't cause a singularity in your hardware).
RiouHotaru wrote...
Adain878 wrote...
Heres the problem, They did one of two things. Either the DLC is like zaeed, a short tacked on character and quest. In which case its doing a huge disservice to the character, plot, and Mass Effect universe. Or its like Shale, a fully integrated character with important plot significance. If thats the case its a giant FU to every fan of the game. You'll be missing out on very significant and most likely epic moments unless you give us more money, trololol...
And you wonder why people are PO'd about this. They are either asking you to bend over, or just not giving a crap about the universe.
Uhhh...Shale wasn't plot significant though. She added to the backstory. But she wasn't significant to the plot. Not having her didn't detract anything.
Imperium Alpha wrote...
mranderson25 wrote...
V1per7 wrote...
53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....
they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....
1995-2012 rip bioware
February 22nd, 2012. The date that literally TENS, nay...HUNDREDS of people said that Bioware/EA would collapse over a matter of $10.
Hear that? That's the sound of me laughing at how ridiculous this all is.
BEHOLD THE MIGHTY 10$ !!!! While this is happening Activision is please to release SCII Heart of the Swarm at full price even if it's an expansion and will continu make money of Call of Duty Elite and anual crappy release.
mranderson25 wrote...
February 22nd, 2012. The date that literally TENS, nay...HUNDREDS of people said that Bioware/EA would collapse over a matter of $10.
Hear that? That's the sound of me laughing at how ridiculous this all is.
The difference is BW is now a large, profitable company. Owned by an even larger company. BW has already proven themself in the gaming community as a "heavy weight". This Polish company is the Tim Tebow of gaming (well no but allow me to explain). They don't suck like Tebow does but they have something to prove and by being a nice, "fans-first" type company, they will gain followers as word of mouth spreads. Trust me, once this Polish company gets to the status of Bioware globally, they won't give a s**t either.StElmo wrote...
wiggles89 wrote...
Meanwhile, in Poland...
Yeah I know right. I will be buying all their games on day one now I know what a great company they are... ): what has happened to american capitalism?
Hammer6767 wrote...
*snip*
But wait! What does it matter how they do it! They are still keeping all the features from me, the consumer! I DEMAND that they make these features free of charge for ALL models. In fact, I want the DVD entertainment system installed. That is easily added in the back, right? But NOOOOOOOOO they have the audacity to actually want to CHARGE me for that OPTION! What it the world are they thinking.
You know what? I am going to go on their website forum and complain about it endlessly and I am going to create a Youtube video decrying modern consumerism because I am just irrational. All those fanboy Toyota owners can burn!
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phimseto wrote...
Here's how I feel...something as critical as a squadmate should be free to all, like they did with Zaeed to anyone who bought a new copy of ME3. What they are doing with "From Dust" seems terribly wrong, and I hope they change their minds on it.
CDRSkyShepard wrote...
Yuoaman wrote...
This is where I'll have to disagree - I believe if they're going to havea Prothean squad mate then they should let ever fan appreciate it, no matter how much money they spent for their copy of the game.
I do agree with this. I really do. Prothy is going to be something pretty special and I think everyone should have the opportunity to see him without paying for DLC. I was genuinely sad when I found out he was going to be the DLC character for the CE.
But the point is this: you cannot - cannot - include this in the regular version of the game for free without cheapening the CE. Sure, I get all this extra stuff still, but I paid for that stuff in addition to the Prothean squadmate. It was advertised as such by BioWare. Wouldn't you agree that they should stick to their guns on what they advertise?
So, I cannot in good faith support making him a part of the SE game for no charge, even if he is the Prothean, and thus, awesome.
Draconis6666 wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Are you for real?, an awful lot of people would be out of a job if we did not pay for their product, it's not a neccesity for us, but it damn well is for them if they want to bring home the bread and butter.Draconis6666 wrote...
Yes they should Games are not a necessity they area luxury good. They should be grateful that anyone bothers to make games for them to play at all. If they dont want to spend their money on a game that is their choice as consumers it does not entitle them to everything they want simply because they have money and spend it on something.
But thats the point the vast majority of people will buy the game anyway and dont care about all your ranting. Because most people understand that a Luxury good is something you pay for because you want to not because you need to and if they dont want to spend money on additiona stuff for it they wont, they do not run around screaming and demanding things because they think they should have it because they paid money for something and it didnt come with it.
Haha I won't waste my time with you anymore.Bluumberry wrote...
I'm not upset at all actually. I'm actually very entertained by the people on this thread. If someone calls my post derp it has no impact on my life. If you or he had actually posted something constructive as an argument I might have replied and taken it seriously.
Anyways I don't care one way or the other what the minority of people will do. I'll still enjoy my copy of the game with a smile on my face.
Now if we were actually arguing about europeans having to wait 3 extra days then I could actually say there's a good reason for the argument.
V1per7 wrote...
crackseed wrote...
V1per7 wrote...
53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....
they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....
1995-2012 rip bioware
53 pages of largely the same people repeating their same arguments over and over. Try not to overstate things in your zeal to pain those in support of this as villains or that Bioware is a devil stealing your lunch money.
I evaluated the money I would spend to get the full experience + whatever add-ons they offered. It was a conscience choice. I still think it would be cool to have it included with each game purchase, no matter of version. But since it IS a non-main plot critical DLC, having it as 10 dollar Day 1 DLC falls into the usual modus operandi of most companies in this day and age.
Holy crap, I'm not blinded by their words! I made a choice all on my own! *puts on big boy pants* Honestly, I appreciate both sides of the arguments as there are people opposed to this making great points, but when you make posts like that? You're not one of them. Accept that there are plenty of people who have very little issue with this just as you and others don't like it and cut out the childish insults.
dude, i dont mind if they charge me $30 for a DLC after release. but charging DLC even before the release is just wrong.
its not about $10, $15 or whatever the amount may be. it is the fact that "From Ashes" should be in the full game (regardless which version) since it is going to be released on day 1...
tomorrowstation wrote...
Anyone in the Chicago area cancelling a CE? I feel like drinking someone's milkshake, so to speak.
StElmo wrote...
wiggles89 wrote...
Meanwhile, in Poland...
Yeah I know right. I will be buying all their games on day one now I know what a great company they are... ): what has happened to american capitalism?
Cirocco wrote...
Copy of the Email I just sent to contact@bioware.com
Dear Bioware.
You seem to know who I am, you've sent me enough email over the years. I am one of your long time customers, I've bought Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 and the expansions, Neverwinter Nights and the content packs for it, Dragon Age and the DLC's for it, Mass Effect one and two and the DLC's, and many other games you've developed.
As someone with a disability I am on a tight budget, if I intend to purchase new games when they first come out then I have to specifically set aside money to pay for them, they are expensive items in my budget, I had set aside the money to pay for Mass Effect 3 and I had pre-orrded the game via Amazon, in the past I have purchased Collectors Editions of games, as a writer and artist I enjoyed looking at the Art Books that came with those games and the other physical items that where included, the cosmetic content that was unlockable in the game was a bonus but not really my reason for purchasing collectors editions.
Today it came to light that you are planning to release a downloadable content pack on the day of release of Mass Effect 3, the same pack is apparently included as part of the Collectors Edition, and is seeming much more than simply the cosmetic extras that are normal practise in a Collectors Edition, and that you intend to charge extra for this already produced content that you included in the Collectors Edition.
In response to our concerns you have made this statement in your forum.
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http://social.biowar...index/9403705/1
"As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).
There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...
- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.
- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.
We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.
As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.
Mike"
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In effect you are telling us that this was late game development and developed separately, in order to justify charging money for it on the day of release. This is contradicted by the fact that this was known about almost a year ago. This can be demonstrated by this post from that time .. http://social.biowar...3/index/7551111
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"In the N7 Collector's Edition "Features" caption there's this:
Get the ultimate Mass Effect 3 experience with the N7 Collector's Edition! This exclusive and limited package includes:
• Exclusive N7 fabric patch
• Art book, 70 pages
• Dark Horse ME Series 3 issue 1, with alternate cover art
A full collection of in-game content that can’t be found anywhere else!
• N7 arsenal pack – N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, Pistol and SMG
• Squad-mate alternate appearance pack
• Normandy mechdog companion
• Shepard casual appearance– N7 hoodie
• Exclusive extended soundtrack
• Exclusive 4x6 lithograph
• Day 1 DLC – the Prothean (Adventure/Character)
• XBL Normandy Avatar
• Exclusive forum, social avatars, badges and perks
So.....
Reactions? Thoughts?"
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and the reply from you ..
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Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy.
Oh wait... no I don't. smilie
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So , this was obviously not late game content that was developed separately when you had some time to spare after the Game had gone gold, this was something you had planned to be released on day one and charge extra for, with lore and storyline relevant content that your most loyal customers, who had played the previous two games, would most want, and planned for some considerable time in what seems to be a very cynical corporate decision to get extra money from your most loyal customers for something that should and could have been included in the game itself or offered as a code to those who bought the new version of the game instead of buying second hand.
I dislike companies that cynically try and milk extra cash from the cows (Before you joined up with EA I think we used to be referred to as the community, now we seem to be cows with $ signs painted on the sides), for things that could easily have been included as part of the, already very expensive, game, and I *reallly* dislike companies that blatantly lie to their customers or trick their own employees into making false statements by withholding information from them.
On reflection, despite my desire to see the conclusion of this saga, I have regrettably cancelled my order and will almost certainly no longer buy any future products from your company, entangled as you have become with the cynical Corporate practices of Electronic Arts, something you and they explicitly promised would not happen, when the merger happened we as a community where told that EA would treat Bioware differently, this has obviously not been the case.
If you are wondering if there is anything that can be done to retain my business, I would consider purchasing the game if you release the DLC freely, as something that should have been in the game already, this is the only way you can regain my custom and go slightly towards regaining my trust in you as a company separate from EA.
Yours Regretfully.
A customer since the beginning of your Company.
nickkcin11 wrote...
The difference is BW is now a large, profitable company. Owned by an even larger company. BW has already proven themself in the gaming community as a "heavy weight". This Polish company is the Tim Tebow of gaming (well no but allow me to explain). They don't suck like Tebow does but they have something to prove and by being a nice, "fans-first" type company, they will gain followers as word of mouth spreads. Trust me, once this Polish company gets to the status of Bioware globally, they won't give a s**t either.StElmo wrote...
wiggles89 wrote...
Meanwhile, in Poland...
Yeah I know right. I will be buying all their games on day one now I know what a great company they are... ): what has happened to american capitalism?
That's rather harsh, BW does give a s**t, but you get the point. They won't care as much about appeasing the fans every whim.
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