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No, no.  You misunderstood.  Nobody thinks Bioware will stop making products.  We just think they'll stop making good products...because they already have.

Let's see, we have a WoW clone, DA2 (LOLOLOL), and now this.  What exactly seperates Bioware from **** developers like Epic Games at this point?


So ME3 is terrible then? Since you've played it, i'd love to hear all about it. What did you love? What did you hate? How was the ending? Was the extra character really important to the story, or did he end up just having random extra content?


i just i just witness a newborn race with an IQ of less than a rock and the brain the size of a dirt.....

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felipejiraya wrote...

I'll just leave this here.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503190946856961
"It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503318277529601
"DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503545466195968
"On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."


Stanley Woo wrote...
Usually, DLC is developed late in production by either a different team or by some of the original team who may not be needed for the main game anymore. Writers and some designers, for example, are most needed at the start and the middle of production, and less so at the end of a project.

Because it is a bonus and an extra, it has a slightly lower priority than the main game. The main game has to be content-locked and the game sent for certification anywhere between 2-8 weeks before the street date. If a game fails certification, whatever caused it to fail must get fixed, which means the entire thing must be tested again. The game must be certified all over again from the beginning because the game on disc has changed.

During the certification process, some folks can be working on a day 1 patch or moved to other projects (they're certainly not sitting idle). They could also be working to finish the DLC that will be made available on day 1. Because it is downloadable content, there is no physical media to manufacture and distribute, which means the DLC can be finished closer to the street date. It still has to be certified, but the process is much faster because it is a) not on physical media and B) much, much smaller than a full-sized game. Appearance packs and weapons are compartively smaller and simpler than story and character-based DLC, and people and effort are scheduled accordingly.

So, like a meal order in a kitchen, the team tries to schedule things so that everything is finished in time to come out together.


Just because you want to think they did it just for a cash-grab, doesn't make it so.

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Niemack Saarinen wrote...

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Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.



Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.


Exactly. Off of hats

BioWare and EA took a the goodwill and affection players have for their universe and puts a $10 price tag on it.

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Meanwhile, in Poland...


Yeah I know right. I will be buying all their games on day one now I know what a great company they are... ): what has happened to american capitalism?

The difference is BW is now a large, profitable company. Owned by an even larger company. BW has already proven themself in the gaming community as a "heavy weight". This Polish company is the Tim Tebow of gaming (well no but allow me to explain). They don't suck like Tebow does but they have something to prove and by being a nice, "fans-first" type company, they will gain followers as word of mouth spreads. Trust me, once this Polish company gets to the status of Bioware globally, they won't give a s**t either.

That's rather harsh, BW does give a s**t, but you get the point. They won't care as much about appeasing the fans every whim.


Valve?
Rockstar?

Valve I'll give you. But for the majority of companies success usually translates to a more $>fans. It's a fact. Bungie gave me a free map pack and cold storage. People complained on bungie.net when the Reach DLC came out anyway. People will always find a reason to complain regardless of what has happened. I'm willing to bet that people would complain about this DLC even if it came out 3 months from now. Perhaps not quite as many, but a large group. That type of "support" would cause me to not want to give free DLC either.

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neubourn wrote...

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Bioware: "oh look here. we cut off a squadmate and his/her mission from the game and guess what? you have to pay $10-$20 to play the damn thing. screw fans who can only pay us $60. we want those fans, like you, true fans who can shell out $70-$80 to experience the FULL game! You are our customers, not the $60-paying ones! you're the fans!"


Don't forget that if you really want EVERYTHING you're going to be paying almost $900 all told.  Now those are the fans we REALLY want.

http://www.destructo...lc-222045.phtml

Who owns Bioware again?  Was it EA or Nexxon?


well now your including cost for bying for example a new headset a new controller.
so your point is kinda void and missleading inside this thread.

$44.99 for the Liara figurine - which oddly enough now comes with multiplayer unlock DLC

$24.99 for The Art of Mass Effect Universe - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$80 for four Mass Effect 3 toys - "Slightly randomized" multiplayer unlock DLC

$59.99 for the Mass Effect 3 controller - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$209.99 for the Chimera 5.1 Headset - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$34.99 for the Mousepad - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Messenger Bag - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$24.99 for the iPhone case - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Mouse - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$139.99 for the Keyboard - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup
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yeah, im really getting sick of people quoting that stupid Destructoid article. Not everyone is gonna be shelling out $140 for a new keyboard, or $200 for a headset. 


And does no one notice that all of those products have THE SAME DLC CONTENT?!?  Meaning...hang onto your hats, folks...you only need to buy ONE of those things to get that content.  So...$900, huh?  Wanna try that again, guys?

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GnusmasTHX wrote...

This thread is hard to read because I care so much for the pre-orders that were canceled.


^_^

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Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.



Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.

Yeah, and that hat DLC contains 4-10 hours of gameplay, makes your character more powerful, contains essential gay alien sex content that I am missing out on, new maps.

Oh, wait.

Valve has tripled the initial client in patches, released numerous maps and even new game modes, along with seasonal content and weapons.That is the definition of a good developer.

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Stay classy BSN.

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Ironically I won't be buying this game new, because I have no incentive to.


Do some research. The SE of TW2 on XBOX is basically a Collector's edition. 



Uhh Yeah, That's what I mean smart-ass. Why would I buy a SE at full price when I know it will sell for 20$ on amazon in a few months AND I get all the content of a CE? I did the same thing with most of my games in 2011, which is why I have no problem paying extra for ME3...Thank you Amazon.com, and Thank you CDProjekt RED I'm so glad I get to play this wonderful game for 20$ in a few months. 

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Imperium Alpha wrote...

Stay classy BSN.


After 59 pages...
You are praying for it right?

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I gave this some more thought, and honestly I'm just still really disappointed with these guys.  I figured I'd vent in one last post (before going back to my ME 2 playthrough, ironically enough).

Those who are saying a Prothean is not important aren't fooling anyone, and I find it hard to beleive they are even fooling themselves.  The fact that there is a living Prothean: that alone is massive enough to warrant being in the game.  Protheans have been a massive part of the lore and backstory of the Mass Effect universe and of each of the games; for them to write this off as minor enough to be a small DLC is rediculous.  

Now of course you could play through the game with the Prothean.  Just like you could have Mass Effect 1 without Wrex, Star Wars without Darth Vader, Batman without Joker, Watchmen without Rorschach, and King Henry IV without Falstaff.  You could remove a lot of fluff from a lot of games, movies, and books.  That doesn't mean you should.  Having a Prothean as DLC just hugely undermines the significance of the species built up in the past two games. 

Now I really find it hard to believe that they thought of throwing in a Prothean at the last minute and decided to use it as DLC as opposed to altering the finished product, but regardless that shouldn't matter.  Pack it with the new copies of the game.  I mean really, did they write the story and then think to themselves "oh I know, let's have a Prothean as a downloadable character!"  Did they really think a living Prothean could be written in such a way that it could be taken to be as insignificant enough to warrant its position as a DLC character?  Please.  Nobody complained about Kasumi, nobody complained about Zaeed.  They weren't that special.  They weren't that important.  They were fun to have but you were not missing a large chunk of the story and lore without them.  Yes, I realize that you can complete the story without the Prothean: this does not make him insignificant.  The fact that he's a living member of a thought-to-be extinct race in significant enough.  And if he isn't significant enough to warrant a position on the main game, then I really have to question the competency of Bioware's ME 3 writing staff.

That said I doubt I'll cancel my CE preorder.  Partially because I still want to see the series to the end... and partially because I paid for it over BestBuy online with a pre-paid credit card and I'm not even sure if I could get my money back now without a huge hassle.  But if this is what it has come to, I'll be sure that ME 3 will be the last Bioware product I buy.

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

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Err - Rockstar has done a fair amount of DLC with it's games, as well as having it's own share of questionable choices with games like Borderlands and how they supported it. 

Valve, while an amazing company, has put out SO much DLC for games like TF2 that it's almost agonizing to log in to that game to play and all you're inundated with is DLC DLC DLC regarding it.

And I still think both of those companies are awesome and put out great work - I just would not use them as the "angels" in this discussion >.>


TF2: DLCS are pure cosmetic and you can acquire by game.

Rockstar: Released L.A Noir for pc for 20 bucks with all DLC for free.

Don't even try man.


Psst - Bioware DLC is all optional and not required for you to play the game in it's entirety. Every company makes use of DLC in various shades. My point was not to say that those companies are guilty of bad practices, just that they, like Bioware, employ DLCs of various types for many of their games.

NO DLC put out by any company is yet required to enjoy the main product, aka the point stands. Bioware is not sucker punching you and forcing you to buy the DLC to enjoy the original product.

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Shatterhand1701 wrote...

And does no one notice that all of those products have THE SAME DLC CONTENT?!?  Meaning...hang onto your hats, folks...you only need to buy ONE of those things to get that content.  So...$900, huh?  Wanna try that again, guys?


Wow, buddy.  You should really do your homework before you make yourself look stupid.

Those upgrades stack.  If you want to be a completionist, yes, you need all of them.

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

Isn't this whole argument null until we get the game and see the impact it has? My understanding in the earlier drafts was that there was a VI instead of an actual Prothean. They might go that way in the game and if you want an actual person then you get the DLC.

They ignored an entire trial, I'm pretty sure they won't have a problem doing the same with the prothean if they feel they have a valid reason.

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V1per7 wrote...

mranderson25 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

No, no.  You misunderstood.  Nobody thinks Bioware will stop making products.  We just think they'll stop making good products...because they already have.

Let's see, we have a WoW clone, DA2 (LOLOLOL), and now this.  What exactly seperates Bioware from **** developers like Epic Games at this point?


So ME3 is terrible then? Since you've played it, i'd love to hear all about it. What did you love? What did you hate? How was the ending? Was the extra character really important to the story, or did he end up just having random extra content?


i just i just witness a newborn race with an IQ of less than a rock and the brain the size of a dirt.....

I don't even care what he said. "and the brain the size of a dirt..." You can't insult people when you write like that.

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RohanDaKitty wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.



Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.


Exactly. Off of hats

BioWare and EA took a the goodwill and affection players have for their universe and puts a $10 price tag on it.


hey idiot, does HATS part of an epic race? does the hat effect how the game played? does the hat create a whole new prespective on the whole TF universe? does the hat add any additional game?!?!

if they released a content for Shepard to wear a hat on release and i dont get it, I DONT CARE!!

this DLC is about a Prothean! an extinct race that faced the end of time by the reaper!!! its not just a HAT!!!:pinched:

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I really don't think we are getting far here.

My opinion is, first day DLC is wrong if you have to pay for it. Some may say it is an extra for CE, but from what I read so far, I cannot believe that the addition of a Prothean won't have any meaningful impact on the story, knowing that they are a vital part of the story since Mass Effect 1. It needs to be in the full game. If you develop content after the game is released, fine, but don't cover it with that fake reasoning of "another team was working on it".

What do you think we are? Stupid? Do you honestly believe that we will take this and just say "ah well, if it was ANOTHER PART of Bioware that developed it, than it is alright to pay the extra money on day 1! Have my money Bioware please please take it!!"?

I have played ME1 at least 3-4 times and ME2 as well, but I think I'll pass on ME3 due to this. I just canceled my preorder. Personally I could care less for the money, I would even pay 100€ if the game is really good, but there're people out there who are on a lot tighter budget and if they give you their 50-60€, they should be able to see the whole game without things being cut out - no matter how big the game already is.

I do not know if a lot of people will join TotalBiscuit with his reasoning, but I assure you - he is not alone.

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DJBare wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Isn't this whole argument null until we get the game and see the impact it has? My understanding in the earlier drafts was that there was a VI instead of an actual Prothean. They might go that way in the game and if you want an actual person then you get the DLC.

They ignored an entire trial, I'm pretty sure they won't have a problem doing the same with the prothean if they feel they have a valid reason.


Lol fair enough.

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nickkcin11 wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

mranderson25 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

No, no.  You misunderstood.  Nobody thinks Bioware will stop making products.  We just think they'll stop making good products...because they already have.

Let's see, we have a WoW clone, DA2 (LOLOLOL), and now this.  What exactly seperates Bioware from **** developers like Epic Games at this point?


So ME3 is terrible then? Since you've played it, i'd love to hear all about it. What did you love? What did you hate? How was the ending? Was the extra character really important to the story, or did he end up just having random extra content?


i just i just witness a newborn race with an IQ of less than a rock and the brain the size of a dirt.....

I don't even care what he said. "and the brain the size of a dirt..." You can't insult people when you write like that.


of course, because you're too stupid to even understand it. my bad. move along

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

I'm trying to make a witty comeback but it fails since I actually have nothing to say at all.



Fixed.


He mad

Oh yes I should agree with you, totally Multiplayers should be a DLC.
Hey guys what you guys think about Multiplayer being a DLC content?


It would sell A LOT more than Prothy DLC :devil:

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Ironically I won't be buying this game new, because I have no incentive to.




Because there isn't written "Bioware" on the box so the mainstream audiences prefer to go buy DA2?

Ironically you are the cancer of gaming.


Do you even know what Irony is? I'd buy the game new if I had an incentive to, but there's no reason not to pick it up from the bargain bin. . .at least I'm not whining about 10$ DLC.

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V1per7 wrote...

RohanDaKitty wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.



Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.


Exactly. Off of hats

BioWare and EA took a the goodwill and affection players have for their universe and puts a $10 price tag on it.


hey idiot, does HATS part of an epic race? does the hat effect how the game played? does the hat create a whole new prespective on the whole TF universe? does the hat add any additional game?!?!

if they released a content for Shepard to wear a hat on release and i dont get it, I DONT CARE!!

this DLC is about a Prothean! an extinct race that faced the end of time by the reaper!!! its not just a HAT!!!:pinched:


Wow, you're way off the mark there buddy! That was exactly my point!

Valve's idea of DLC, is Hats. Silly Hats and Weapons. What EA and BioWare did, was take a big part of the Mass Effect lore, the Prothen's, and place a $10 price tag on it.

That's what I meant in my original post. Ea and BioWare are cashing in on players affection for their universe.

Valve cash in on peoples affection for fashionable headwear.

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 LOL you lot need to get a life or go out more in to the real world. I'v been gaming for over 20 years and I'm all most about to give up on coming to this forum as all I see day-in, day-out is a lot of BS from you lot how this is not right or this is unfair.

Forum are a place were we talk about the game and get info and Dev can give out info and try and keep us in the loop with new and bits. This forum is a part of Biowere that they offer to you for free and this is how you treat them you all make me sick, You all are lucky that they do not pull the plug and shut down the froum as I would of a long time ago.

If you do not like it that you have to pay for DLC then don't buy it, A true fan will pay for it, Some years ago I payed $10 for a $1 coin with star trek on it. Why as i'm a fan if this DLC was $20(£15) I would still buy it Why same as before I'm a fan. 


Keep going with that mentality. I'm sure you'll lose everything, including your underwear in a matter of months. This is not about being self entitled because they removed a random content from the game. It wasn't just anything. It wasn't a shallow piece of crap character like James Vega or Diana Allers. It was a Prothean squadmate for God's sake and you're still trying to defend Bioware for selling it seperately from the main game. And if it wasn't for the fans and people who support them, neither Bioware nor EA would exist to this day. Stop defending them out of sheer ignorance.


Nope its not sheer Ignorance. Bioware/EA would still exist to day with or with out any of us buying from them as there is always a market out there.

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Hold up, Hold up!

So, people keep saying it started production after the game was completed...not true. Gamble said it started after the "core game" was finished and was completed after certification.

So, for those who don't know what the core game is: the core game is the primary cinematic layout, design, and primary development. This doesn't include all of the additional work, which is done all the way up to certification send-off. I could list what that all entails, but it's pretty long...mostly debugging and prettying up is the simplest way to put it.

The Prothean was the first to be worked on. VO work, concept, writing, animation...all of the things that would interact with the proper game had to be done first, as that would require the most testing and overall work. Once that was completed (about a couple months ago if his little cameo is an indication), work began on the separate mission and armor.

So there has been no lying, at least no clear indication of so. Sorry to counter that argument, but I felt it should be addressed to make sure everything was in the proper context.

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BioWare is in quite a pickle here. Either Prothy is awesome and gets criticized for being DLC, or he sucks and gets criticized for costing 10 buckaroonies.