13369 réponses à ce sujet

[Yuoaman]

Do you guys have to toss insults around in here, neither side is being helped by it.

[Shatterhand1701]

mogonk wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

And does no one notice that all of those products have THE SAME DLC CONTENT?!?  Meaning...hang onto your hats, folks...you only need to buy ONE of those things to get that content.  So...$900, huh?  Wanna try that again, guys?

Wow, buddy.  You should really do your homework before you make yourself look stupid.

Those upgrades stack.  If you want to be a completionist, yes, you need all of them.

Well, then by all means, feel completely coerced into spending $900 for stacked upgrades to a single Collector rifle.

If I'm supposedly stupid for not recognizing that, imagine the dazzling stupidity of someone who'd actually spend that much money for one uber-rifle.

My statement stands.

[rumbalumba]

Draconis6666 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

And those against it seem to be blinded by their arguments that are full of logical holes and complete ignorance of economics, how businesses opperate, or even how video games are produced.

lol economics. just because you have taken 1st year Econ classes does not make you a know-it-all economist. it's not as simple as supply and demand linear curves.

we are protesting because we understand how businesses work. if you REALLY do understand this business model, what part of it benefits you?

I didnt say that it did. Thats the point businesses are not designed to benefit the consumer above all, they are designed to make money for the business and its shareholders thinking otherwise is naive and misguided.

and you're just going to sit there and pay whatever so they can gain more money, yet you are a consumer?

you make me laugh.

if the point of a business is to make profit, then bioware and EA will aready turn a profit in a $60 price point. what's the point of a $20 CE and/or $10 Day 1 DLC, to get MORE profits, not to break even.

the point of a good business model is to find a middle ground between giving consumer satisfaction to build affinity to the company and turning in a profit.

this, however, is skewed heavily towards making profit. huge difference. there is no equilibrium, only more money for Bioware/EA and less content for us. period.

[Revna Shan]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Wow, two posts from the team, and they go completely ignored.

One post and it had nothing of substance.

Uhhh...Stanley's posts explains it perfectly, and then Casey's twitter sealed the deal.

Oddly enough, someone dug up this thread which disproved that.

http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1

A BioWare staff member (Chris) posts in it (9 months ago).  It's about
the Prothean Squad Member which was according to Casey, not worked on until
after the game finished this January.  Obviously, the Prothean had been
planned for well over a year.

What likely happened is they had a hard deadline for the game.  Held off
on the most DLC appealing character (the Prothean) so they could get it done and shipped
for March, with the intention to add that character into the game by launch via
DLC.  It just so happens a character that was always intended to be in the
completed product is now costing us money.  That's my take on it anyway.

This sets an extremely dangerous precedent in regards to DLC.  If they were smart, they would have waited 4-5 months to announce this DLC and no one would have been the wiser.

Modifié par Revna Shan, 23 février 2012 - 02:46 .

[HighFlyingDwarf]

Less Prothean, More Miranda xD

I can dream

[N7Infernox]

Jcmor wrote...

BioWare is in quite a pickle here. Either Prothy is awesome and gets criticized for being DLC, or he sucks and gets criticized for costing 10 buckaroonies.

option 3: he sucks and gets criticized for being dlc
that's not pessimistic or anything, is it?

[gabe2gg]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

wolfman391 wrote...

 LOL you lot need to get a life or go out more in to the real world. I'v been gaming for over 20 years and I'm all most about to give up on coming to this forum as all I see day-in, day-out is a lot of BS from you lot how this is not right or this is unfair.

Forum are a place were we talk about the game and get info and Dev can give out info and try and keep us in the loop with new and bits. This forum is a part of Biowere that they offer to you for free and this is how you treat them you all make me sick, You all are lucky that they do not pull the plug and shut down the froum as I would of a long time ago.

If you do not like it that you have to pay for DLC then don't buy it, A true fan will pay for it, Some years ago I payed $10 for a $1 coin with star trek on it. Why as i'm a fan if this DLC was $20(£15) I would still buy it Why same as before I'm a fan. 

Yes we get it, you are a fanboy but its no excuse for Bioware to lie about the DLC being put into production well after the game was certified. Does Bioware really think we're that stupid?

Do you work for BioWare? Didn't think so. You have NO IDEA what happened with this DLC.. even if it was started before the game went certified (while I believe it didnt) it was made by a different team and made AS DLC.. they never "cut it". Certified != Gold

Yes it was pure luck that somehow there was disscuission about Prothean DLC almost a year ago
eve


http://social.biowar...3/index/7551111







even if they couldn't include it, why isnt this free and being downplayed like the Protheans had no major role in the ME series?

Modifié par gabe2gg, 23 février 2012 - 02:48 .

[Chin Fish]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.

Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.

Actually, most hats and weapons released nowadays are items submitted by the community with Valve's extensive modding tools they distribute for free.  When a community item is purchased from the store, 50% of the profits go to the creator, and the other half goes to Valve.  I would estimate that the creator of the recently-added wedding ring (and Valve) recieved over $1,000 within the first 24 hours of his item being added.  Both the company and the customer made a hefty profit from their DLC that cost them both nothing to make.

Just throwing this out there.

[V1per7]

RohanDaKitty wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

RohanDaKitty wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.

Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.

Exactly. Off of hats

BioWare and EA took a the goodwill and affection players have for their universe and puts a $10 price tag on it.

hey idiot, does HATS part of an epic race? does the hat effect how the game played? does the hat create a whole new prespective on the whole TF universe? does the hat add any additional game?!?!

if they released a content for Shepard to wear a hat on release and i dont get it, I DONT CARE!!

this DLC is about a Prothean! an extinct race that faced the end of time by the reaper!!! its not just a HAT!!!

Wow, you're way off the mark there buddy! That was exactly my point!

Valve's idea of DLC, is Hats. Silly Hats and Weapons. What EA and BioWare did, was take a big part of the Mass Effect lore, the Prothen's, and place a $10 price tag on it.

That's what I meant in my original post. Ea and BioWare are cashing in on players affection for their universe.

Valve cash in on peoples affection for fashionable headwear.

if EA/bioware make money out of selling shoes, and gloves for shepard to wear. GOOD FOR THEM!

but taking a piece of an epic story and universe and selling it for seperate so called "DLC" is not right!

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

I still agree that people have no idea about anything untill they play ME3.. you can't even base yourself on the leak because that was a long time ago and BioWare has said they made charges because of the leak.

Now, who's to say that this is the "one and only" Prothean. For all we know there's a small colony of Protheans and the only thing this DLC does is allow you to take one with you and then you know the Eden Prime mission, the weapon and AAP.

[Zu Long]

I can't believe people are whining about this. We've known for a YEAR that there would be a CE bonus character, and for most of that time we've been pretty sure it would be a Prothean. How can you now act surprised or offended that this is what occured? Why would you ever have thought that when they were making a big point of the CE having an "extra character" that you would somehow still automatically get this character if you didn't buy the CE?

The inane entitlement branch of the gaming community has truly dropped off the deep end, and if this somehow finally chases you people away, then I for one welcome it.

[Niemack Saarinen]

RohanDaKitty wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

RohanDaKitty wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Ignotis wrote...

Spending 60$ on a less then amazing singleplayer game? Pushing it.

Tacking on day one 10$ DLC on top of a inflated price for a mediocre single player game when it could be patched in? Too far

Valve released TF2, one of the best shooters of this decade for no more than 30$ or part of the orange box, another incredible deal. They then make it cheaper, enable free weekends for people to play it, make it LESS THAN A DOLLAR AT ONE POINT, then eventually make the game free.

Seeing what bioware is doing, they must be out of touch with the current market. Inflated prices coupled with excessive dlc isn't the rage these days, nor is subscription based MMO's. B2P, f2p, developers patching a game as a duty TO the fanbase is. The more incredibly greedy your business model gets the more you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot.

Because Valve is making ALOT off of Hat DLC.

Exactly. Off of hats

BioWare and EA took a the goodwill and affection players have for their universe and puts a $10 price tag on it.

hey idiot, does HATS part of an epic race? does the hat effect how the game played? does the hat create a whole new prespective on the whole TF universe? does the hat add any additional game?!?!

if they released a content for Shepard to wear a hat on release and i dont get it, I DONT CARE!!

this DLC is about a Prothean! an extinct race that faced the end of time by the reaper!!! its not just a HAT!!!

Wow, you're way off the mark there buddy! That was exactly my point!

Valve's idea of DLC, is Hats. Silly Hats and Weapons. What EA and BioWare did, was take a big part of the Mass Effect lore, the Prothen's, and place a $10 price tag on it.

That's what I meant in my original post. Ea and BioWare are cashing in on players affection for their universe.

Valve cash in on peoples affection for fashionable headwear.

And Valve charges 9.99 for this:   



people are getting a greater deal off hours of content for the same price. 

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 23 février 2012 - 02:49 .

[piemanz]

Jcmor wrote...

BioWare is in quite a pickle here. Either Prothy is awesome and gets criticized for being DLC, or he sucks and gets criticized for costing 10 buckaroonies.

Yes, quite the pickle indeed...


*Grabs a beer*

[nitefyre410]

Hammer6767 wrote...

*snip*

In all seriousness, this is all silly.  It's a video game, which makes it even sillier.  I would give it more credit if it WAS my scenario.  $40k van or $60 game?

 

I see your point and yes some of the retoric that is being thrown around is rather silly and melodramtic. I do think its a discussion worth having.  

When you by the 40k car and you get it with front wheel drive.. does that same car you buy have the all wheel already  built in  and the charge an extra what 1000 to flip a switch  and now its all wheel drive.  No not really you getting a different car for most part under hood..

With  the game... the infromation is already one the disc when its picked up at $59 ... is not a different disc with different in works of the collectors edition  nope disc, same information.. the only thing that  people are paying for is  the code not even unlock his dialogue but unlock him as squadmate because from rumors   that  Prothy is still in the game  but you can't use him  with out having the DLC..

thats equalivant of the having the all wheel drive button there  but when you push it you get sign that  asked for your credit card and 1000 bucks to unlock  all-wheel drive. 

Still on surface yes  this is all rather silly indeed  in the large scheme of the world.  

[Farbautisonn]

Screw the prothean. I want a t-rex. More lore logical.

[Saiphas85]

To reiterate people:

felipejiraya wrote...

I'll just leave this here.

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503190946856961
"It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503318277529601
"DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1."

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/172503545466195968
"On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately."

[Crackseed]

Casey Hudson @CaseyDHudson
On #ME3, content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately.

Casey Hudson @CaseyDHudson
DLC has fast cert and no mfg., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.

Casey Hudson @CaseyDHudson
It takes about 3 months from "content complete" to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.

More info directly from the horses mouth - whether it helps salve some of the wounds or not, I haven't seen this posted directly into this thread yet.

Edit: LOL! DAMN YOU SAIPHAS! xD

Modifié par crackseed, 23 février 2012 - 02:49 .

[AlphaJarmel]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

I still agree that people have no idea about anything untill they play ME3.. you can't even base yourself on the leak because that was a long time ago and BioWare has said they made charges because of the leak.

They pretty much changed their tune on that recently.  Walters in an interview stated that it didn't affect development.

[PaulSX]

Kilshrek wrote...

Interestingly, an interview of Todd Howard recently touched on "core gamers". Now I never played too much of TES, a little of Oblivion, hated the Fallouts and like Skyrim, but I see the formula there, and how little the main formula has changed. These games remain infinitely popular though, even Oblivion with guns, and the mantra does appear to introduce change, but not because it's "in", or "awesome", or "amped up". By contrast Bioware's games seem to be getting lot of change introduced to them, some for the sake of change, some because of the influence of popular games of the time (I'm looking at you, thermal clips, cover/regenerate health, and that old classic the awesome button) that seeks to mimic the identity of other games.

This I have to disagree. Bioware is never a good game developer beyond Baldur's Gate days. their games are all about storytelling and characters, and to be fair they are incompetent to design good gameplay that will appeal to everyone. That's why they keep changing the gameplay elements and I am personally fine with it, especially I liked dragon age 2 somehow.

[WeWant]

nickkcin11 wrote...

Valve I'll give you. But for the majority of companies success usually translates to a more $>fans. It's a fact. Bungie gave me a free map pack and cold storage. People complained on bungie.net when the Reach DLC came out anyway. People will always find a reason to complain regardless of what has happened. I'm willing to bet that people would complain about this DLC even if it came out 3 months from now. Perhaps not quite as many, but a large group. That type of "support" would cause me to not want to give free DLC either.

So, just try to upset as less people as possible then.
Valve and R* demonstrate that a good relationship between fans and developers is possible. The problem is, puting day one DLC is not the best idea ever for that. 
See the amount of complaints? This proves that there is a problem among fans, like it or not. Their marketing direction should revolve around us, not against us.