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[Saiphas85]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

 The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

 

BS.  The game only went gold two weeks ago.

This prothean character has been known for 3/4 of a year now.  Are you telling me that a character, a mission and a couple of rinky-dink skins take 3/4 of a year to complete? 

This type of terrible, disingenuous  PR is exactly why hate campaigns towards BioWare are started.  Not that I condone them, but they are to be expected.

Any content complete and near complete by the time the game is ready to ship should be free DLC for ALL purchasers of the game, or the game should be delayed to complete them for the disc. 

This is a vile and disgusting practise and you have no doubt lose many sales due to it. 

Depends on how its prioritized, it takes 3 months for a feature to go from completion to cert and ship (thats just how long it takes to get something on disc).  DLC has a much shorter cert time, It can infact take them just 1 month to get a peice of DLC if they're pulling 14 hour days 6 days aweek after the game goes gold.

[hectorkbrn]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

Look at Adolf Hitler, he treats an entire country like **** but there are still those who go and say "Sure but it's still good value, the trains actually run on time now. He probably just had to do all that evil to fund the train schedules."
Because burning jews and killing handicaps is clearly helping the trains arrive on time

Of course, cause the Holocaust and releasing Day 1 DLC is totally the same thing.

[nitefyre410]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Time Victim wrote...

Eden Prime and more alternate costumes? I'm getting giddy over here.

Yeah, me too. Lost in the shuffle of all this bickering about nonsense is the fact that we get to go back to Eden Prime with Prothy, more alternate costumes, and a new gun. I'm already thinking up all the possibilities.

which is  what makes so damn  aggrivating because  its  sounds great  but the shot themselves in the foot with  it ..

I been saying this for while  Bioware and EA PR is ... bad

[fropas]

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nickkcin11 wrote. . .

Riiiiight. Says the man who has spent the entire time on this thread making well thought out posts like, "You don't agree with me! You're stupid as a dirt!" Yeah, great job. God forbid people don't feel strongly about $10 and DLC. Really, $10.00. I could see if people were getting pissed if it were more and I know where your argument is coming from. It's pretty ****ty of BW to do this. But in the end it's just $10 ! You don't need to get so pissed over ten measly dollars.
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I think ppl are more pissed because they're paying 70$ for a game they only wanted to pay 60$ for. These people don't care about all the characters they do get. . .They seem to focus on the one they're not getting for 60$. But as someone who's paying 80$ for this game I can say that i would pay an extra ten dollars on top of that. I must have spent ~100$ on ME2 game+DLC. . .I'm not ashamed of it. I don't feel like I was "exploited" into buying kasumi or LoTSB or Arrival or the many weapon packs I bought. All these things were optional and I've spent more time on ME2 than I have on most games I've spent 60$ on. . .

I don't see what the big deal is. You don't need the prothy, but I do So I don't mind paying for him.

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 03:11 .

[StElmo]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Time Victim wrote...

Eden Prime and more alternate costumes? I'm getting giddy over here.

Yeah, me too. Lost in the shuffle of all this bickering about nonsense is the fact that we get to go back to Eden Prime with Prothy, more alternate costumes, and a new gun. I'm already thinking up all the possibilities.

which is  what makes so damn  aggrivating because  its  sounds great  but the shot themselves in the foot with  it ..

I been saying this for while  Bioware and EA PR is ... bad

Precisely, it needs to be free for all customers of the new game.

[Farbautisonn]

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

[Shatterhand1701]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Time Victim wrote...

Eden Prime and more alternate costumes? I'm getting giddy over here.

Yeah, me too. Lost in the shuffle of all this bickering about nonsense is the fact that we get to go back to Eden Prime with Prothy, more alternate costumes, and a new gun. I'm already thinking up all the possibilities.

THIS.

I'd much rather expel emotional energy being excited about this new content than expressing butthurt over having the choice whether or not to buy $10 worth of optional content.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 23 février 2012 - 03:06 .

[Draconis6666]

Zu Long wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote... I guess you can wait 4+ years between decent releases from developers not owned by one of the two.

-you do realize thats what we did in the old days with bioware too?

Yeah, but I kind of like getting my games every year or so. It would have sucked waiting four years for each ME installment.

4 years of development means 4 years of development costs too, if all games took 4 years or more to develop there is absolutly no way you wouldnt see an increase in the base price of games. They already cost tens of millions with 1-2 year production cycles.

[Chin Fish]

Oh, but Valve's hats are optional. Having a hat doesn't add any new content. It doesn't give you an advantage over other players. You can even get it without purchasing it anyway.

But that's exactly what makes it so good. You don't have to feel obligated to buy it. You're not missing out on part of the game if you don't buy it. You get the same experience as everyone else, but for free! Maybe Valve even deserves a donation for giving you such a great game like Team Fortress 2 for free. You'd even get a nifty hat if you donated them $10.

But what about the DLC that does change content, like new maps and gameplay features? Those are available to anyone who plays the (free) game at no cost. The content you actually need is free. You can even make your own maps, if you want. In fact, Valve will pay YOU for them!

The optional things that do nothing, are just bonus. You don't need to feel obligated to purchase them. Unlike, for example, day 1 DLC containing new characters and weapons for one sixth of the initial game price, maybe released by Bioware. You have to buy that. You're missing out on the game if you don't. You're not playing the whole game.

Now let's compare your money worth buying the entire Mass Effect 3 game. Let's say the game is $60, and From Ashes, assuming it will be the only DLC released, is another $10. So that's $70 total. Let's look at Team Fortress 2 then. The initial price is free, and all 4 years of extra weapons and maps are also free. That's about infinitely cheaper than Bioware's games.

Do you know how much infinity is? It's not hard to imagine. Think of the highest number you can think of. How about one googulplex? That's ten to the one hundredth power to the tenth power. Maybe a centillion googulplexes? That's not bad. I could sit here typing up a centillion googulplexes, but my hard drive would fill up before I got anywhere close to being done. So now let's put this in perspective: A centillion googulplexes are the same distance from infinity as the number 1. In reference to infinity, 1 = 1 centillion googulplexes. Infinity is THAT high.

So, would anyone really, really think someone is being ENTITLED for thinking there is a bit unfairness between a company offering you prices infinitely higher than their competitors? Anyone?

[nickkcin11]

TK EL wrote...

Seriously now, I think enough pre-orders have been cancelled to actually nullify the 'pre-order cancelled' meme lol

Cool, now I might be actually able to get the CE.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

And when it was done they decided to charge you for it 3 times by spliting it into 3 games!

[Sargerus]

Farbautisonn wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

Duke Nukem Forever took 14 years of development. Just sayin' 

[Mathias]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Time Victim wrote...

Eden Prime and more alternate costumes? I'm getting giddy over here.

Yeah, me too. Lost in the shuffle of all this bickering about nonsense is the fact that we get to go back to Eden Prime with Prothy, more alternate costumes, and a new gun. I'm already thinking up all the possibilities.

THIS.

I'd much rather expel emotional energy being excited about this new content than expressing butthurt over having the choice whether ot not to buy $10 worth of optional content.

Optional content that is important to the lore and story of the game. Sorry but that's not acceptable. EA/Bioware have gone too far on this one.

[nitefyre410]

Farbautisonn wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

 

Oh  that iit was and Diablo 3 is going to be worth it too.

[NBegovich]

 This is ridiculous, and what makes it worse is that BioWare hid the DLC from us. What a huge slap in the face that was going to be on day one! "We know you just bought this game for sixty dollars (or preordered it months ago) but guess what? We have even more game to sell you right now! For just one sixth of the game's cost!" Man, screw this. I'm not buying Mass Effect 3 until "From Ashes" is made available for free to everyone who at least bought the game new.

[Zu Long]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

But w/e let the company sink, just like TORtanic.
The old fans tried to advice , but they won't listen anyway.

Yeah, the TORtanic, look at how badly that flopped.

http://www.pcworld.c...es_records.html

Oh, right.  But I'm sure if they'd listened to YOUR infinite wisdom, they'd have shattered those records even MORE.

TORtanic sunk after that article was posted, that's before they went to the 1.1 patch

1.7 million subscribers. Q3 earnings report was quite positive. Might check your facts next time. Wait, what am I saying? You won't.

Modifié par Zu Long, 23 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[Eragondragonrider]

BioWare after ME3 and DA3 is done can you please make Jade Empire 2 PLEASE I have a lot more money to give you!!!

[Ignotis]

TheOptimist wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

But w/e let the company sink, just like TORtanic.
The old fans tried to advice , but they won't listen anyway.

Yeah, the TORtanic, look at how badly that flopped.

http://www.pcworld.c...es_records.html

Oh, right.  But I'm sure if they'd listened to YOUR infinite wisdom, they'd have shattered those records even MORE.

And they are constantly losing subscribers, most servers are a ghost town and the oceanic community is giving up what little hope it have.

Clearly doing well though.

[Kroepoek]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

And when it was done they decided to charge you for it 3 times by spliting it into 3 games!

1 game. 2 expansions.

Expansion > DLC. Also, Blizzard > Bioware.

Your turn.

[Dragoonlordz]

TK EL wrote...

Seriously now, I think enough pre-orders have been cancelled to actually nullify the 'pre-order cancelled' meme lol

Not really, huff and puff about cancellation is a lot easier to claim than people who follow through with it. 

All cancelled pre-orders make no mistake, will be picked up by others in their place. Thats just the way the world works. On a title like this where for weeks and months people have been moaning about places unable to fulfill pre-orders this for them is a godsend because now they actually have a new chance to reacquire there original or new pre-order.  Especially in the case of CE's.

If anything this adds to the 'meme' because it is more people doing the same. I am not saying some people won't cancel but those who do especially with CE's will end up basically handing order the order to someone else in the process.

Personally I plan on picking up the DLC+standard edition, they cancelled my CE pre-orders due to allowing more allocations than can fulfill. Maybe if I am lucky I will pick up one of their cancelled CE's to make up for one lost pre-order on. In the end my life is short enough and their principles does not extend it. So I have no intention of joining them in their little boycott. I plan on enjoying the game and all it has to offer, I have a job and I can afford it, I also consider gaming a luxury and not a necessity so my panties are not in a twist over the element of entitlement.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

nickkcin11 wrote...

TK EL wrote...

Seriously now, I think enough pre-orders have been cancelled to actually nullify the 'pre-order cancelled' meme lol

Cool, now I might be actually able to get the CE.

Gamestop just opened up more CE  editions after being sold out a few weeks ago,   GOGOGO.

[OdanUrr]

wolfman391 wrote...

When I look over the last 60 pages of this. It all comes down to should this be in free or do you pay for it. I say if you did not buy the CE then yes you should pay for it as someone said this as been know for some time and its only what $10 Its not like some of the DLC out there $10+ for crap hell look at COD 1200 msp for 4 map x 4 over a year I got all the DLC for ME2 and had more fun than I did with all the maps that COD had in a year.

As I understand it, it was known for a long time that a bonus character/squadmate would be included with the CE. Initially, there was even mention that this character was a Prothean, but this was quickly "rectified" and dismissed as a mistake. Henceforth, I believe there was no official information on the nature of this squadmate. So, no, officially, it wasn't known that the bonus squadmate included in the CE would be a Prothean.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote....

Oh yeah and Blizzard...

"Its done when we say its done and it will be released with we say it ready."

Remeber Starcraft 2... that took 10 years.

-But it was well worth the wait.

And when it was done they decided to charge you for it 3 times by spliting it into 3 games!

I dont care. The game was good and the story was polished, The narrative was good and there was no breaks in suspension of disbelief.

I dont give a crap about the cost. That extra money saves me a weekend out on the town with cash to spare.

[Daywalker315]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Mycrosys wrote...

I really don't think we are getting far here.

My opinion is, first day DLC is wrong if you have to pay for it. Some may say it is an extra for CE, but from what I read so far, I cannot believe that the addition of a Prothean won't have any meaningful impact on the story, knowing that they are a vital part of the story since Mass Effect 1. It needs to be in the full game. If you develop content after the game is released, fine, but don't cover it with that fake reasoning of "another team was working on it".

What do you think we are? Stupid? Do you honestly believe that we will take this and just say "ah well, if it was ANOTHER PART of Bioware that developed it, than it is alright to pay the extra money on day 1! Have my money Bioware please please take it!!"?

I have played ME1 at least 3-4 times and ME2 as well, but I think I'll pass on ME3 due to this. I just canceled my preorder. Personally I could care less for the money, I would even pay 100€ if the game is really good, but there're people out there who are on a lot tighter budget and if they give you their 50-60€, they should be able to see the whole game without things being cut out - no matter how big the game already is.

I do not know if a lot of people will join TotalBiscuit with his reasoning, but I assure you - he is not alone.

No, we're not getting anywhere.  People are too busy insulting eachother, going on pointless tangents, and trying to be clever with stupid memes and logical fallacies instead of actually discussing the issue directly to get anywhere.

And people need to stop saying it was cut.  It was developed to be DLC from the beginning.  Whether you believe it or not that it should have been included is irrelevent to the issue.  

The Prothean is also not really important in Mass Effect 3.  At a lore standpoint, of course it is significant, but so was the First Contact War, the death of the Prothean Empire, the Rachni Wars, etc.  Should he had been more available to the fans if he was "fan service"?  Yes.  That I do not and won't argue in concept.

I haven't listened to TB personally, and I'm sure he has some valid points.  But people should think for themselves instead of using one liners, memes, and someone's opinion on YouTube to shape their arguments (general to the forum, not you).

^ This. It was listed (actually outed and then taken back by BW at first) like almost a year ago as a bonus day 1 DLC character for the CE. It's been planned as a DLC for that far back, marketed as such for the CE. It was NOT just cut from the game at the last minute to make an extra buck. It was DLC from the beginning for the CE, whether they planned to sell it to everyone else from the beginning or not (probably did but whatever).

To the OP, you're missing out on what will most likely be the conclusion of the best, or one of the best, RPG story sequences of our generation. Over a $10 DLC that you don't have to get if you don't want to. Personally, yes, would it have been cool if he had a bigger role or more meaningful? Sure, but obviously it's going to be a self-contained story and beyond that he'll be a walking codex and help you blow up some baddies. Either way, the story will go on with or without him and the galaxy still needs saving. It's not worth not playing the game over this.

[Sargerus]

Ignotis wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

But w/e let the company sink, just like TORtanic.
The old fans tried to advice , but they won't listen anyway.

Yeah, the TORtanic, look at how badly that flopped.

http://www.pcworld.c...es_records.html

Oh, right.  But I'm sure if they'd listened to YOUR infinite wisdom, they'd have shattered those records even MORE.

And they are constantly losing subscribers, most servers are a ghost town and the oceanic community is giving up what little hope it have.

Clearly doing well though.

Unless you have REAL data and statistics to back you up, you're just a dumb hater.