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[Saiphas85]

Ignotis wrote...




She is a very rare exception in one of the few servers that isn't dead. The forums testify to this, im sure at any given time of the day there is "I waited 2-6 hours for a group and/or it didn't happen" thread. And outside of the 1-15 leveling area every region following is a ghost town.

Forums tend to be filled with those with nothing better to do.  I tend to have a very easy time finding people for groups on my server... as do most people.

[Daywalker315]

NBegovich wrote...

 This is ridiculous, and what makes it worse is that BioWare hid the DLC from us. What a huge slap in the face that was going to be on day one! "We know you just bought this game for sixty dollars (or preordered it months ago) but guess what? We have even more game to sell you right now! For just one sixth of the game's cost!" Man, screw this. I'm not buying Mass Effect 3 until "From Ashes" is made available for free to everyone who at least bought the game new.

They hid nothing. They have said for almost a year that there would be a bonus day 1 DLC character and mission with the CE, and it even leaked that it was a Prothean. BW claimed it was "old information" but anyone with a brain new it was true and they just wanted to release the info on their own time. They have just now said that it would be available to those who didn't buy the CE for $10. So, that's your fault for not knowing about it. It's been all over their marketing for the CE for months.

And it looks like you won't ever be buying ME3. I highly doubt this DLC will ever be free to every new copy purchaser, unless they do a GOTY with all the DLC included. You'll be the one missing out methinks.

[mogonk]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Optional content that is important to the lore and story of the game. Sorry but that's not acceptable. EA/Bioware have gone too far on this one.

This, a thousand times, this.  There are two possibilities.

1.  The content really is as shallow and disposable as Bioware claims, in which case dear God, why would they make a PROTHEAN so completely unimportant to the story when protheans are at the center of the freakin story?  (Unless, you know, they wanted to squeeze money out of fans who still think the lore means something....)

OR

2.  The content is not as shallow and disposable as Bioware claims, in which case they're packaging content that should have been in the game proper as paid DLC.

Either option makes it pretty clear how Bioware execs think about this....

"We have a hugely successful franchise that you're invested in, so now WE OWN YOU.  Just TRY not to buy it.  We dare you!"

Ok.  I think I'll take you up on that.

[Eragondragonrider]

Wow some much hate about this. Its the same thing with DA2 Collectors Edition and I didn't see nearly as much hate. The Black Emporium and Sebastian DLCs where Day 1 items that you had to pay for if you didn't get the CE.

[Yuoaman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dexter111 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Look, some of us don't want armor and weapons to make the game easier. But taking content out of the main game to sell as DLC or a bonus for CE is ripping off the CE buyers and those buying the DLC, because:

This is wrong.

You're right that is wrong, you forgot something...

You keep posting these images...and yet you KEEP being wrong...

You keep posting the original image, man.

[StElmo]

This is the way capitalism works, company does something bad, people don't by it. Company comes crawling back with 20+ hours of free DLC...

): I wish.

[Synthmilk]

Draconis6666 wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

53 pages in and they are still ignoring this....

they are blinded by money and these biofans are blinded by their words....

1995-2012 rip bioware

And those against it seem to be blinded by their arguments that are full of logical holes and complete ignorance of economics, how businesses opperate, or even how video games are produced.

Remind me how $10 for an hour or two of gameplay, balanced against $60 for ~50 hours of gameplay, is a logical economic argument.  Please.  Please tell how me the effort required to produce said DLC in two months at the cost of $10 balances equially against the effort required to produce the full game over multiple years at the cost of $60.

Tell me how the persuit of profit justifies any monitization scheme, regardless of how it preys on customer loyalty.

Tell me, how other development houses, with reletively small fanbases and a tiny fraction of the income, can get away with continual, free game updates that include bug fixes AND hours of gameplay, while still turning a profit and having enough money to make the next installment of their game even bigger and more advanced than the last.

Oh, and these other guys are privately owned yet somehow don't seem to be lesser for it.  Explain that one to me too.

Please, enlighten me as to the hardships of being a hugely successful development house with ownership of multiple AAA IP's.  Tell me how they have to answer to shareholders, those oh-so-important people who expect BioWare to keep giving them money because they are an "owner" and have a right to be compensated for that burden.

Tell me how any of that justifies being told that I can't have what I have been told is an INTIGRAL part of the product series I am invested in, unless I pay $10 more above the cost of the final installment of that series.

Please.  Tell me, because I just can't grasp the concept on my own.

[Fila19]

The thing I wonder about is that this DLC character and mission were reported as being part of the CE a while back. Ok. That's cool. We knew about that. However, if we are to believe that (according to Casey Hudson's tweets) they only started work on this content in January, what would've happened had they not completed the content in time? They would've missed a deadline and not delivered on the content promised. Would it simply been a matter of giving those that bought the CE a code to download it when it actually was done?

Also, it bothers me that they generalize and say that long time fans would've bought the CE. I have been interested in this series since its first announcement and could not be more excited to see its conclusion. I'll likely buy the DLC (luckily I have the means to), but it's unfortunate that they didn't simply do the same thing they did with Zaeed.

[Calians]

Sargerus wrote...

hetfool wrote...

I'm just dissapointed to learn that a Prothean Squadmate is inconsequential to the primary story ... What a joke! The Protheans ARE the story!

ORLY? And here i thought the story was about Commander Shepard fighting evil alien machines from outer space

Except for the fact that the protheans are the cause of this "we fight or we die" enigma.

[Reptilian Rob]

Ridiculous.

Between this and the illegal marketing campaign, Jesus Christ.

Just, Jesus Christ.

[Squallypo]

 
seems like someone already posted it 

Modifié par Squallypo, 23 février 2012 - 03:21 .

[Saiphas85]

mogonk wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Optional content that is important to the lore and story of the game. Sorry but that's not acceptable. EA/Bioware have gone too far on this one.

This, a thousand times, this.  There are two possibilities.

1.  The content really is as shallow and disposable as Bioware claims, in which case dear God, why would they make a PROTHEAN so completely unimportant to the story when protheans are at the center of the freakin story?  (Unless, you know, they wanted to squeeze money out of fans who still think the lore means something....)

OR

2.  The content is not as shallow and disposable as Bioware claims, in which case they're packaging content that should have been in the game proper as paid DLC.

Either option makes it pretty clear how Bioware execs think about this....

"We have a hugely successful franchise that you're invested in, so now WE OWN YOU.  Just TRY not to buy it.  We dare you!"

Ok.  I think I'll take you up on that.

Unless for option one they went... hey lets do something cool for people to if they want get some extra background lore!  I know we can do a prothean character if we bust our tails after completing the game we can get it out the door so people can if they want get this extra bit of fluff (using the Warhammer 40k term for intresting but not required background knowledge). 

[Shatterhand1701]

Sargerus wrote...

hetfool wrote...

I'm just dissapointed to learn that a Prothean Squadmate is inconsequential to the primary story ... What a joke! The Protheans ARE the story!

ORLY? And here i thought the story was about Commander Shepard fighting evil alien machines from outer space

EXACTLY this.

Yes, the Protheans are very important to the lore that acts as the foundation for the story that spans the three games.  They even mattered moreso in ME2 when we found out the Collectors were repurposed Protheans.  But the Protheans are by no means the central focus.  Shepard has been and always will be the central figure and focus of the ME story.

[raging_monkey]

finally a voice of reason

[The_mango55]

If you buy a car that doesn't have all the optional features, do you complain about the manufacturer?

"I can't believe they made a sunroof for this car but they aren't going to give it to me for free!"

[nitefyre410]

[quote]HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

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My word on what? That subscriber numbers are going down?

Clearly I can't prove that since I don't have the data at hand, but watch this whilst I go and take a look for it.

 

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yep this proves it and I watched the whole video...

Square Enix and Bioware should have never gotten into the MMO  buisness... making those games are not easy.

[ArkkAngel007]

Just when it started to look better, people had to act like fools again. And no, I'm not going to continue being kosher with people who want to make us all look like mindless little ****s. You don't have any real input on the subject, then just keep your insults and "clever" memes off of here and post on Reddit where at least they can bury your posts.

[Henriks]

Well, this was bad. The prothean should be in main game. This was really funny "the character was optional, and we are doing the people that will buy the SE a favor including this as a DLC".

The prothean is not optional if you want to understand what is happening in ME Universe. Since the first game I was wondering: what If some prothean survived and are around?

The prothean is not like Zaed or Kasumi or even Shadow Broker or Arrival. It should be a free DLC;

[Niemack Saarinen]

The_mango55 wrote...

If you buy a car that doesn't have all the optional features, do you complain about the manufacturer?

"I can't believe they made a sunroof for this car but they aren't going to give it to me for free!"

+10

[Farbautisonn]

The_mango55 wrote...

If you buy a car that doesn't have all the optional features, do you complain about the manufacturer?

"I can't believe they made a sunroof for this car but they aren't going to give it to me for free!"

You do if the car you testdrove at the dealer did have a sunroof and leather seats, and you come home in a Fiat punto instead of a ferrari.

[Shatterhand1701]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Ridiculous.

Between this and the illegal marketing campaign, Jesus Christ.

Just, Jesus Christ.

The who and the what, now?  

Seriously?

[FlameChucks]

Draconis6666 wrote...

FlameChucks wrote...

Looking at the thread it's hard to believe that there isn't any real attempt on Bioware's part to turn down the fires that are raging here over this announcement.

When i found out that the extra character was going to be a Prothean, i couldn't believe it. This is ultimately the source of overall rage in regards to this DLC announcement. So far all DLC's offered have been extra weapons or armor's, which is acceptable as a DLC construct. However, this new character being Prothean is one of the more offensive things you can hold back from a customer who is purchasing the game new. This is a character who has so much lore into the overall series that cutting him out is essentially making him/her nothing more than just another character almost in the same vein as Kasumi or Zaeed.

When you consider that this character, his race, is the basis to why Shepard knows so much about the Reapers is almost like pouring salt into the wound. Up until now we had no real idea what the Protheans looked like or if they were still alive, and just out of nowhere here is one just ready to be your squad mate.

My biggest problem now is that i have this game pre-ordered, and it's the CE edition. While this shouldn't give me any reason to really complain, then what about everybody else? The fact that this character was announced months ahead of time could only signify that he is an almost essential part of the story. Bioware plays it off like it's no real problem stating that there's already a lot of game in the retail release, While this may be true, it doesn't seem fair or righteous to hold such a prestigious and mysterious character from all those who own't be able to grab a CE copy. Ultimately you are making people feel like fools for either investing in either Regular or CE edition of the game because ultimately, you are making someone such as myself feel like i paid 80 or 60 dollars for an incomplete product.

Now, i hope they don't come out and say that he has no real relevance to the story, because at that point i may as well cancel the game. The protheans are the very reason why everything that has been happening in the last two games has occurred, but not only that, they give context to the situation. The reapers are finally attacking earth and here we have maybe the last prothean in the galaxy. Again, it's all speculation as far as how this character plays into the story, but personally, i find it real shameful to place this kind of character in that type of category of just being an addition to the game.

Just image in you will, a character like Legion was held back from the game and instead of Kasumi being the DLC it was Legion that would be purchasable. Legion is a Geth..............the geth have been one of your primary enemies since the beginning, and not only that, given the tension between the Geth and the Quarians, the overall complications of having him in your squad with Tali are nearly drama gold.

Either way.....i know it's too late down the pipeline for Bioware to really do anything at this point. Then again, this isn't something that EA would tell them to hold back. Bioware could have created a completely separate character from a different race and still could have gotten away with it, but being that this character is prothean...........well...........it just changes the overall dynamic of the game as well as it's overall value to a regular consumer.

Your points are also why the entire outrage is rediculous, no one would have cared if it wasnt a Prothean because people have convinced themselves that because its a Prothean the game is somehow not complete without it and that they cant enjoy the game without it so how dare EA and Bioware charge them extra so they can have the whole game because obviously the entire game will fail make no sense and be terrible without this one DLC.

The problem is that the lore of the story revolves around this particular race. It's one thing if it wouldn've been another Kasumi DLC cause at that point, in ME2 she didn't really have that much relevance to the overall story, but when it's a character who for two games has constantly been referenced, then there is a problem with where this is going. It's almost like Assassin's Creed 2 where they cut out 2 Sequences of the story and then charged 7 dollars for each sequence. 

You may not feel that it's outrageous, but then again maybe you're not that into the story to really warrant this a problem. Personally, myself along with many other fans have invested a lot of time into this series and it's characters, so for a lot of us, this is fairly important for the integrity of the story, especially when it's the last one in the trilogy on Shepard's story.

[TheOptimist]

HighFlyingDwarf wrote...

My word on what? That subscriber numbers are going down?

Clearly I can't prove that since I don't have the data at hand, but watch this whilst I go and take a look for it.

 

Lemme help you out here.  Here's one from a month after the one I already posted.  Ready?

http://www.g4tv.com/...-million-units/

Oops, still doing well as of...3 weeks ago.  Darn, guess Bioware's not in trouble afterall.  But if they'd just listened to all the pirate-happy whiners out there, they could have made MORE, I'm sure of it.

[Yuoaman]

The_mango55 wrote...

If you buy a car that doesn't have all the optional features, do you complain about the manufacturer?

"I can't believe they made a sunroof for this car but they aren't going to give it to me for free!"

A better analogy is buying a car without a passenger seas door - it's not technically required but goddamn if it doesn't make things much better.

[DJBare]

Sargerus wrote...

ORLY? And here i thought the story was about Commander Shepard fighting evil alien machines from outer space

ORLY?, Commander Shepard would be dna goo without the protheans.