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[Dragoonlordz]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7812 

This is where the actual petition is. Yes, this is a governmnent domain site. And yes, what they're doing is illegal.

No it is not. The petition already existed and has existed for a very long time.

Even if they highlight it in the media it IS NOT illegal.

*Link to existing government petition from marketing site.*

*Still thinks it's legal.*

WAT!?

It is not illegal where it is highlighted or by who. It would only be even close to illegal if they made the petition as a corporation. They did not. I would also point out the humor in that still only has less than 1000 signatures and take around 100,000 to even be brought up in the house.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 03:41 .

[Sargerus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

You didn't know? Ppl already played ME3 and finished 100% of the game!!! :whistle:

[Calians]

Sargerus wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

You didn't know? Ppl already played ME3 and finished 100% of the game!!! :whistle:

whaattt?..how did people get early access to the full game?

[Kroepoek]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

After reading the leaked script, I'd say he has some very interesting details to reveal. Especially if you're interested in the Protheans from ME1 & 2.

[Yuoaman]

Okay, here's a better example: you buy a car with free gas for life - except they only ever give you enough gas to get you to work and back home every day - and if you want to do anything else with it you need to give them an extra $10.

Or, since we're talking about gas: an extra $3340.

[NeillCoreyy]

 I just heared the news of the launch-day DLC, at first i was fine with it as i was with the launch-day DLC for ME2. That character was, to be honest, a nobody. But with this DLC that is going to be coming out. Its a Prothean, a major lore stone in the Mass Effect universe. 

Now everyone can go ahead and say "you don't have to get it, its optional." But if you love the lore of the Mass Effect universe, then really you kind of have to get it. I'm personally furious about having to pay 10$ for the DLC. Espically with the launch day DLC for ME2 being free when it was released.

All in all, i think if you are going to release a character that has such a heavy lore base behind it, it should be free. But once again...those are my thoughts.

[Zu Long]

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

Pretty sure Bioware is Canadian.

Modifié par Zu Long, 23 février 2012 - 03:40 .

[BP20125810]

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

Bioware is based in Canada.<_<

[Crackseed]

Fix1o0 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Nissan released a new car today. You have to buy the wheels seperately.

Bad attempt at a comparison. This would be saying that you have to buy DLC to complete ME3 - you don't. AKA your car came with all the basic components required for it to work, which includes wheels :-P

It does not include the wheels. You ever drove a car without wheels? You must be from the Flintstone age.

Haha That gave me a funny mental image of me moving my car around that way. I'd certainly stay in shape <.<

[Cainne Chapel]

I dont get the cars without wheels analogy.... and I used to be a car salesman!

If you want a relatively GOOD analogy it would be like the difference between a base model car and the fully loaded version.

Base model will get teh job done obviously, but the fully loaded version will get ya there in more style. Of course you PAY more

[fropas]

Fix1o0 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Nissan released a new car today. You have to buy the wheels seperately.

Bad attempt at a comparison. This would be saying that you have to buy DLC to complete ME3 - you don't. AKA your car came with all the basic components required for it to work, which includes wheels :-P

It does not include the wheels. You ever drove a car without wheels? You must be from the Flintstone age.

I'm sry this sounds retarded. The prothean is not your "wheels" ppl. God. What a stupid metaphor

[TheOptimist]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Oh look, a sane person.  What are you doing in this thread?

[Sandbox47]

AxisEvolve wrote...

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

You act like developers and publishers have the same exact job...

This. Even if BioWare had tried to just sell the whole thing, I don't think they can decide that around EA's marketing. I wonder why they need so much more money though? If they aren't saving for like a super hugenormous and awesometastic game then I am disapoint.

[AxisEvolve]

Calians wrote...
whaattt?..how did people get early access to the full game?

More than likely another Microsoft screw up. To be fair, I've only seen one person who got the game early. Another larger leak is imminent though.

[Shadowrun1177]

Cap Rev wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 I really can't help but laugh at all the ranting by people in this thread. People who ordered the CE are paying an extra $20 for so aren't really getting this for free if you really think about it. Yet people are gonna complain about paying an extra $10 for a dlc character, extra squad outfits, weapon, and mission. Honestly both groups in my opinion are getting a pretty good deal when it all comes down too cause I bet stuff like the N7 patch, lithograph, and art book would typically run the cost up too more then the $20 those of us so ordered the CE are paying.

Good point. But lets say EA give in and give this DLC for free to every one, what about the peolpe who bought the CE? Should the CE peolpe be shorted? EA said the CE would be given extra charcter and mission from the day that CE went on sell, what would be given to them? Or should they get noting?

Well I'm not saying that they should give it too the SE people for free, in fact I think the SE people should pay for it and stop complaining or not get it at all and stop complaining. Honestly I would feel a little ripped off if EA/Bioware gives in to people and gives it to them for free cause I paid an extra $20 for the advantage of this and the other content the CE comes packed with, and I did pay an extra $20 cause my copy of the ME3 CE is completely paid off at this point. 

[Ecmoose]

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

You realize EA owns Bioware right?

Also it's not just an "American" thing. First off, America is two continents (north and south), not one country. You might be making a dig at the US of America.

Second, this is international corporate greed. If you think the rest of the civilized world doesn't have examples of this, you're fooling yourself.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.

[kingsims]

This is prothy.



This is Vega



Who would you rather have on your squad an Alliance marine or a Prothean? For me its prothy 100% of the time simply because when ever we run into a prothean artifact he will be like "I know what this is!"

PS I like vega and i am in no way hating on him but compared to prothy you gotta see the importance of prothy.

Modifié par kingsims, 23 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[_symphony]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.

Modifié par _symphony, 23 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[ForceXev]

Yuoaman wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

If you buy a car that doesn't have all the optional features, do you complain about the manufacturer?

"I can't believe they made a sunroof for this car but they aren't going to give it to me for free!"

A better analogy is buying a car without a passenger seas door - it's not technically required but goddamn if it doesn't make things much better.

You've been making alot of great points, but I think you erred on this one. The entire car is ME3. So from day 1 you have the entire package. But if you wanted extra options like a sun roof, leather seats or modified components you'd have to pay extra for it. The passenger door missing would indicate that this DLC was required for you to be able to complete the original game, which is not the case. It is optional, like all the after-market options available for a car. The passenger door is included, like the main story is complete for ME3 with the purchase of the standalone game.

I don't know, I'm not a big car guy so I don't know anything about that fancy stuff.

Passenger seat doors seem swanky as hell, though.

I think the problem with this particular DLC is that for many players a character like this does not feel optional.  I mean, technically you can say "it's optional" about almost every scene of the game.  Just because something isn't directly integrated into the core mission and needed to "beat" the game doesn't mean it's not critical to the story and experience of the game.  I, for one, believe this character is critical.  It's such an important character that it's a spoiler to even say what it is.

To go back to the car analogy, I wouldn't say it's a wheel or even a door, but it may be the heat or the A/C -- something that you technically don't need, but anyone buying an expensive brand new car would absolutely expect and demand that it be part of the package.

[ArkkAngel007]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Not quite.  Yes, he's optional, but he has a larger impact to the universe than the majority of the squadmates in the games (Legion, Wrex are exceptions, maybe a couple of others).

[RiouHotaru]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.

One, small slight flaw in your love, dude.

You're talking about the ENTIRE Prothean race.


This is just one guy.

[Shatterhand1701]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

After reading the leaked script, I'd say he has some very interesting details to reveal. Especially if you're interested in the Protheans from ME1 & 2.

Alright...but does the DLC's absence prevent you from enjoying the rest of the story and completing the game?  No.  That's pretty much been made a given.  So, it is not ESSENTIAL...it is optional.  Additional storytelling and a great way to flesh out the lore?  Yes.  But not required content by any means.

[ArkkAngel007]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.

No Reapers.  None of this happens.

Sorry, couldn't resist 

[BP20125810]

Its really not that big of a deal. He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed. Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story. They've been advertising the mysterious charachter and mission since last year now. People are just overreacting.