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#1701
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Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?


No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.


The Asari and Salarians formed the base of the galactic community as we know it today, no one flipped a **** when we got a Salarian squad mate in ME2. One memeber of a race =/= the entrie population. Yes, he's a prothean. I'm a human. Does that mean I automatically have significant insight into everything human kind has ever done?

Nope.

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_symphony wrote...

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The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.


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Cap Rev wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 I really can't help but laugh at all the ranting by people in this thread. People who ordered the CE are paying an extra $20 for so aren't really getting this for free if you really think about it. Yet people are gonna complain about paying an extra $10 for a dlc character, extra squad outfits, weapon, and mission. Honestly both groups in my opinion are getting a pretty good deal when it all comes down too cause I bet stuff like the N7 patch, lithograph, and art book would typically run the cost up too more then the $20 those of us so ordered the CE are paying.


Good point. But lets say EA give in and give this DLC for free to every one, what about the peolpe who bought the CE? Should the CE peolpe be shorted? EA said the CE would be given extra charcter and mission from the day that CE went on sell, what would be given to them? Or should they get noting?

 

The artbook and  Soundtrack alone more the cover the cost of the $20 they are getting... really I'm dead serious.   

the artbook is about 70 pages it  could not more that 5 at the most 7 bucks... that soundtrack is going to run anywhere between 10-20 bucks you can say the weapon back and DLC is what $5.. so there is the  extra 20 for the  CE... they still get the DLC  for free...

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Fix1o0 wrote...

After reading the leaked script, I'd say he has some very interesting details to reveal. Especially if you're interested in the Protheans from ME1 & 2.

This is defenitely true. Although I think that it would have been nice for it to have been free for ME1 and ME2 owners, considering that this DLC is seemingly aimed at the long-term fans, I am fine with it being the way it is.

Calians wrote...
whaattt?..how did people get early access to the full game? :unsure:

Being the co-founders of BioWare could have something to do with it.

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Fix1o0 wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Nissan released a new car today. You have to buy the wheels seperately.


Bad attempt at a comparison. This would be saying that you have to buy DLC to complete ME3 - you don't. AKA your car came with all the basic components required for it to work, which includes wheels :-P


It does not include the wheels. You ever drove a car without wheels? You must be from the Flintstone age.


Uh, that was his point. Saying you have to buy the wheels is like saying  you have to buy the Unreal Engine. DLC is more like spinner hubcaps, or a better sound system. Or seat warmers. Nice, but not really necessary to enjoy the ride.

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TheOptimist wrote...

I'll answer your non-sequitor question with another: Is the main character human?


Ill retort in the same fashion: Is the protagonist of this game alone in the galaxy?

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_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.


It's very simple.

He's not the only prothean. He's just the only one that joins your party.

A colony of Protheans being alive could be a major plot point in EVERYONE's game, but only the people who buy the CE or the DLC get one that will join you.

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Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have


After reading the leaked script, I'd say he has some very interesting details to reveal. Especially if you're interested in the Protheans from ME1 & 2.


Alright...but does the DLC's absence prevent you from enjoying the rest of the story and completing the game?  No.  That's pretty much been made a given.  So, it is not ESSENTIAL...it is optional.  Additional storytelling and a great way to flesh out the lore?  Yes.  But not required content by any means.


And all that in a story driven game. Chapeau.

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Okay so I was spoiled on this by accident, but I'm looking forward to it. It's not just a character that poofs into your squad, its got way more than just that.

I'm also happy that you're selling it separately for those that just want the extra downloadable stuff. Granted, I'm still getting the Collector's Edition, because I believe Bioware deserves it for making my favorite sci-fi series ever. In any case, kudos guys.

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RiouHotaru wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?


No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.


One, small slight flaw in your love, dude.

You're talking about the ENTIRE Prothean race.


This is just one guy.


Quoted for truth!

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Draconis6666 wrote...



So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?




  Are you seriously taking the stance that protheans were not important to the story arc of Mass Effect? I know you're becoming an advid cheerleader for Bioware and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your cheer?

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Cap Rev wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 I really can't help but laugh at all the ranting by people in this thread. People who ordered the CE are paying an extra $20 for so aren't really getting this for free if you really think about it. Yet people are gonna complain about paying an extra $10 for a dlc character, extra squad outfits, weapon, and mission. Honestly both groups in my opinion are getting a pretty good deal when it all comes down too cause I bet stuff like the N7 patch, lithograph, and art book would typically run the cost up too more then the $20 those of us so ordered the CE are paying.


Good point. But lets say EA give in and give this DLC for free to every one, what about the peolpe who bought the CE? Should the CE peolpe be shorted? EA said the CE would be given extra charcter and mission from the day that CE went on sell, what would be given to them? Or should they get noting?

 

The artbook and  Soundtrack alone more than cover the cost of the $20 they paid... 

the artbook is about 70 pages it  could not more than $5 at the most 7 bucks... that soundtrack is going to run anywhere between 10-20 bucks you can say the weapon back and DLC is what $5.. so there is the  extra 20 for the  CE... they still get the DLC  for free...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 03:46 .


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_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.


I see lots of ways that can happen. Who is he? Is he even one of their top scientists? Or was he a soldier that was somehow preserved? How will he affect the main plot then? He may have knowledge of his race, but that doesn't mean he has any stronger idea of how to beat the Reapers.

I'm not saying he's some random lame grunt, but we don't know that he's anyone who was important in their society either, aka he comes back, can offer alot of interesting details about his species but when it comes to saving the galaxy, has about as much to offer as anyone else.

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Spartanburger wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

After reading the leaked script, I'd say he has some very interesting details to reveal. Especially if you're interested in the Protheans from ME1 & 2.

This is defenitely true. Although I think that it would have been nice for it to have been free for ME1 and ME2 owners, considering that this DLC is seemingly aimed at the long-term fans, I am fine with it being the way it is.

Calians wrote...
whaattt?..how did people get early access to the full game? :unsure:

Being the co-founders of BioWare could have something to do with it.


You do realize I was being sarcastic? :P

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BP20125810 wrote...

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.


Bioware is based in Canada.<_<


BioWare has offices in Canada, USA and Ireland. They are owned by an american company called EA(Electronic arts).

That makes an american company as good as any other american owned company.

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Ecmoose wrote.... I'm a human. Does that mean I automatically have significant insight into everything human kind has ever done?

Nope.


If you were the only human alive 50.000 years after your race left  the galaxy filled with wonders, you would be. You would be a unique source. No matter how little you knew.

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Michael Gamble wrote...



- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.


 


Hey, fun thought: Make the Prothean avaliable to everyone who buys new. It spurs new sales and doesn't screw over most of your customer base.

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Hate begets hate, anger begets anger.

Yeah, Prothie was probably CE exclusive, but Bioware made it for everyone. They were probably thinking, "How nice of us to share this with everyone rather than the hardcore fans who buy CE"

Look at us, a pack of ravenous dogs. It really makes me sad to look at this.

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BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

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Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?


No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.


Indeed, all that was very important.  Now, can you tell me where the Prothean capital world was? No?  How did we still manage to beat the collectors if we didn't know that?  Oh right, it's not NECESSARY TO THE PLOT. Just like this prothean isn't.  Is his knowledge interesting and doubtless useful? Probably.  A necessity to finishing the story about saving the galaxy from the race of evil giant cyborg cuttlefish? Probably not.

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The_mango55 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.


It's very simple.

He's not the only prothean. He's just the only one that joins your party.

A colony of Protheans being alive could be a major plot point in EVERYONE's game, but only the people who buy the CE or the DLC get one that will join you.


I'm going to tell you right now - he's the only Prothean.

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Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have


I think we need to be clear what is meant by "optional" here.

Is the Prothean critical to the main plot of the game ie. the invasion of the galaxy by the Reapers and the conclusion of that story, however that may occur? No. Hence, it's optional.

However, the Prothean is not comparable to Kasumi or Zaeed because he is the sole interactable member of an absolutely critical race in the backstory of Mass Effect. A more comparable case would be Legion (in some senses, hear me out here), whereby Legion was completely optional to the main story - you could sell him to Cerberus and do a completely valid and complete playthrough of the central plot. But in doing so, you would miss out on a huge chunk of backstory about one of the most important races in the game, namely the geth - information that indeed completely altered my perspective of that particular race and made me see a great deal of the rest of the backstory in a totally different light. The same can't be said for Kasumi or Zaeed who with all due respect didn't add a great deal to the fundamental background or backstory of the Mass Effect universe.

However, this is a bloody Prothean we're talking about, an immensely important race in the backstory, and anyone who denies that simply hasn't played Mass Effect with an active mind. It stands to basic reason that since he's a squadmember, he/she/it'll be interactable at least on the same level as Legion was. Which means that those with the DLC will find out far more about the story of Prothean civilization, society, the Reaper extermination and get a truly unique and special insight into the current events. Of course it will have a drastic influence on the backstory and hence the whole Mass Effect experience at large.

tl;dr - you shouldn't compare the Prothean DLC to Kasumi/Zaeed.

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Now, on the broader issue, I'm definitely not a fan of this (mostly for the above reasons), but having bought the CE I can't say I will complain too loudly. Especially given that it seems that this content was written after the main game had been certified gold and was hence complete in every meaningful sense of the word. If significant time during the main development time was spent on this, time that could and should have been spent on the main game available to all customers for no extra cost, then that would be unacceptable IMO.

Modifié par spark_ptz, 23 février 2012 - 03:50 .


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SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Hate begets hate, anger begets anger.

Yeah, Prothie was probably CE exclusive, but Bioware made it for everyone. They were probably thinking, "How nice of us to share this with everyone rather than the hardcore fans who buy CE"

Look at us, a pack of ravenous dogs. It really makes me sad to look at this.


Oh thank you Bioware for making me pay for content that should be part of the main game.

Thank you so much.

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KBomb wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...



So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?




  Are you seriously taking the stance that protheans were not important to the story arc of Mass Effect? I know you're becoming an advid cheerleader for Bioware and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your cheer?


Are you seriously arguing that the entirety of Mass Effects plot revolves around the Protheans and their exploits? I know you're a hater and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your hate?

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

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SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Yeah, Prothie was probably CE exclusive, but Bioware made it for everyone. They were probably thinking, "How nice of us to share this with everyone rather than the hardcore fans who buy CE"


They probably did think this. They're that out of touch.