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[Wulfram]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support.

You don't have it.  Eventually, you'll have my begrudging £10-15 sometime down the line

We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever
 

If there's one thing this sort of DLC makes clear, it is that this is not true.

[crimzontearz]

wooooo wait are ALL the alternative appearances and extra weapons present in the CE?

[saturos2]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Could it be perhaps that he's in the game for story purposes but having the DLC allows you to convince him to join your squad? As a CE pre-orderer from July and knowing I'd get a bonus character I'd be a little slighted if they made it free to everyone. $10 for something offered to the CE buyers who pay an extra $20 is acceptable to me. It's not the end of the world, guys.

just so you know, he's not in it if you dont Dl him.

[T-Bone]

It'll most likely be kind of like how Lair of the Shadow Broker worked with ME2, just earlier. The Prothean, like Liara, is probably going to be in the vanilla game for story purposes but only becomes a squad mate with the DLC and thus gains his own mission, like Lair. Seriously, they wouldn't include him in the old scripts if he didn't have a story role and they wouldn't include him at all if he wasn't important: protheans are a big deal!

Also, look at how it's worded in the OP: it says SQUAD MATE, not CHARACTER. The character's there, like Liara in ME2, but is not a squad mate and has no personal mission in the vanilla game. Regardless, I hope you can talk to him on board the Normandy unlike Zaeed or Kasumi.

EDIT: And for the people making a big deal of how he was in the old scripts: games, especially from BioWare, are most likely written long before they are put into production. They could have been brainstorming the idea since the first Mass Effect!

Modifié par T-Bone, 22 février 2012 - 11:07 .

[Wardka]

It really feels like EA is trying their hardest to experiment with how much people are willing to put up with, and ME3 is their test bed. Mandatory Origin. Day 1 DLC ripped from the game. Exclusive DLC tacked on to peripherals costing hundreds of dollars, et cetera et cetera.

Yet there are still people who continue to defend these sort of business practices. What will it take until they have had enough?

[Draconis6666]

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

ACSSolver wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Interesting. I wonder whether this includes a different writing team, too. While I think it will be fascinating to talk to a Prothean, my one concern is that his appearance should be consistent with the rest of the story - the Protheans have been extinct for 50 thousand years, so this guy's appearance needs some good writing.

you actually beleive what he said?

Yes because unlike most people I have some concept of how game design and production actualy works

And me, unlike you, know that Bioware actually put the prothean in the game during developmen and took it out to make it dlc to make a quick buck.

oh you know that for sure? you have documented proof and saw them do it with your own eyes? of course you dont and of course you didnt your pulling crap out of your *** based on your theories on what they did based on other information floating around that doesnt make it true.

[felipejiraya]

Well, I'm glad I've purchased the CE edition.

[Deathbringer769]

You make people just want to pirate it and get EVERYTHING with no hassle when you do stuff like this. Learn from it.

[Daywalker315]

Qunu wrote...

So Michael, as a potential consumer, why should i believe you? The funny thing is, i was going to buy the collectors edition of this game because I'm a huge fan, but now I'm starting to rethink this decision. And the best part is i don't have to pirate this game in order to hurt your bottom line. I can buy this game -gasp- Second Hand. Which means, you never see a cent. Because now its all about how i can hurt Bioware and EA.

So now the question for you is what can you do to encourage me to buy your game new so you'll get your money back. Because the idea of buying this game and all your game used makes giddy like a schoolboy, because i know if enough people do it, we'll bleed you dry, legally. And now that my friend is pure irony.

If enough people buy copies second hand to "bleed them dry" as you say, it still wouldn't work the way you say. Unless the same copy got shared around 10 times, that many people buying used copies would necessitate that the same amount of copies were once sold new. Hence, no bleeding dry.

No offense, but you just sound petty. If you had the collector's edition, you'd be getting this included anyway. I have one pre-ordered and I'm happy that they're not giving away the bonus character for free that was promised as a bonus to CE buyers in the first place. $10 for a completely optional squad mate (who may or may not already be in the game for story purposes anyway just not as a squad mate) is not the end of the world. Just breathe. Buy the game and enjoy it the way you planned. It will be alright.

[Candidate 88766]

Dionkey wrote...
You sound like the kind of guy who would get ripped off if someone was selling you something, suddenly charged more, and then you bought it anyway. Here's an example:

Me: Can I get $60 of beef, please.
Clerk: Sure, that's $10 per two pounds.
Me: That's fine, thanks.
Clerk: Oh, the final pound will cost you can extra $10.
Me: What? Why?
Clerk: That's just how it is.

Do you really embrace this kind of logic?

I think you messed up some your numbers there - not following the example.

£8 extra is not a rip-off. Not to me anyway. 

ME3 has a RRP of £50, but is being sold in places for £35. Given how much I played ME1 and ME2, £35 for ME3 is a bargain. If it costs £43 for ME3 plus another character, its still a great deal.

If it was something like a car - where tiny extras run into the hundreds or thousands of pounds - then I would consider that a rip-off. £8 for some extra content for a game I consider to be a bargain isn't something I consider a rip-off.

[Yuoaman]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...
The Prothean is optional content 

 

Can someone from Bioware clarify this? 

Some people thought "From Ashes" just puts him in your squad and that he was in the main game as a character to some extent.

So without the DLC he is not seen or heard in the game no matter what, correct?

He isn't in the game unless you buy the DLC.

And are we going to hear anything in response to this, Bioware?

[Dionkey]

Wardka wrote...

It really feels like EA is trying their hardest to experiment with how much people are willing to put up with, and ME3 is their test bed. Mandatory Origin. Day 1 DLC ripped from the game. Exclusive DLC tacked on to peripherals costing hundreds of dollars, et cetera et cetera.

Yet there are still people who continue to defend these sort of business practices. What will it take until they have had enough?

Is it time Photoshop some **** Propaganda posters with the Origin logo on it?

[Rip504]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

Where are you at Loki?
So like I wanted to say before you locked the other thread.
The Squadmate was a CE bonus,and instead of having a bunch of  hurt " they got something I didn't" fans(Paragon/Renegade discussion proves this.),you made the content available to all. Smart move.
Not just a select few,it is now open to all.
If they would not have made this day 1 dlc,I could see your agruement now.

I can deal with guns and armor pre-order bonuses being exclusive,but come on a PROTHEAN squadmate. That's BS they should have made this day 1 dlc. I couldn't buy a CE because I waited to long,Now I do not get it? BS.Lmao. But complain how they are charging you 10 dollars for extra CE content. CE owners are paying extra for the content,so should the general consumer.

Would you be more hurt if only CE owners got the squadmate?
I think you would. As you are upset by the option to buy something that was intended to be a bonus for the CE. Now take away the option to buy the squadmate,and realize at one point it was only meant for CE users.

[Ninjapino]

Here's something a lot of people don't seem to understand about creating ANY form of entertainment media. Whenever something is made, before it is completed and released, ideas pop up from everywhere. Now, out of all those ideas about 70% of them get used. This is mostly due to budget constraints, the creator realizing it's a dumb idea or pointless, or simply because of time restraints. That's what "deleted scenes" in movies are.

However, before things like DLC, the creators had to say "well, we can't really justify putting this in the main game because it's not really essential and we can't really stretch the budget for it." But, now, they can still provide us with bits and pieces that they thought were cool, but would have normally had to cut. It's going to cost a little more because it cost the creator a little more time to create it. They were able to justify spending money and resources only if they believe they can make a profit off of an unneeded piece of the game. Does this get abused at times? Yes. But I honestly don't think that's what Bioware is doing here.

Do you realize how much content used to get cut completely from games before things like this? 

Modifié par Ninjapino, 22 février 2012 - 11:08 .

[Digifi]

crimzontearz wrote...

wooooo wait are ALL the alternative appearances and extra weapons present in the CE?

I second this question.  His wording on that is a little wierd.

[neubourn]

Wardka wrote...

It really feels like EA is trying their hardest to experiment with how much people are willing to put up with, and ME3 is their test bed. Mandatory Origin. Day 1 DLC ripped from the game. Exclusive DLC tacked on to peripherals costing hundreds of dollars, et cetera et cetera.

Yet there are still people who continue to defend these sort of business practices. What will it take until they have had enough?

that "exclusive DLC" you talk about is also avaialble from the artbook which costs $25. Not so exclusive after all, eh?

[TheOptimist]

Dionkey wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

It's perfectly acceptable.  The character is not essential to the story.  He is, and always was, planned as an add on DLC, as we have known since the first advertisements for the collectors edition came out.  When they produced him is irrelevant.  They produced a game with content X that they will sell for $60.  This character is add on content Y, which is for sale for $10 more or included for free in the CE.  If they cut up the game into a bunch of little pieces, as you apparently fear, then it becomes unplayable and no one buys it.  IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE DLC, DO NOT BUY IT.  But you are not entitled to a piece of content they have deemed as extra just because of when it was produced. 

 Listen, I'm 99.9^% that they're going to write-off the Protheans with this character, so any history or questions that need to be answered will be answered by this character. He is a critical part of the major races in the universe and is much more vital than someone like Zaeed or Kasumi.

IMO, Lair of the Shadowbroker was a critical mission absolutely everyone who played ME2 should have played.  It ended up DLC.  Just because something is important in the context of the Mass Effect universe doesn't make it essential to the game.  I should know, I played through twice before LotSB was released, and still considered it a complete game. 

TheOptimist wrote... 
Let me ask you a serious question.  If they'd kept this under raps and released it 3 months after the initial game, would you still be so upset?  I rather doubt it.  The only reason people care is because of when they THINK the DLC was made in conjunction with the real game (whether or not that has any basis in reality).  I predict that in the future, Bioware will do exactly that, denying us content we could have had earlier but for the whining of people like you, who apparently believe they have some god given right to content that the developer has decided is not part of the core game.

That could be said about any DLC released afterwards, so that's just a strawman argument. The fact of the matter is that they made this DLC and had it planned long before they finished, and instead decided to make huge amounts of profit off it, knowing that most of you guys will defend it to the death.

I'm a BioWare fan, not an EA fan.

Almost all of the DLC for ME2 was planned before the game was finished (for instance, we know Kasumi was initially planned for it and then dropped to DLC), it makes no difference.  At some stage during production, it was decided this character wasn't gonna fit in the game, and it was passed off to another team to be made as DLC.  They are likely to make some money.  He is also wholely unnecessary to the game.  I could just as easily complete it with my existing team and never miss him. 

Modifié par TheOptimist, 22 février 2012 - 11:07 .

[ironcreed2]

RainyDayLover wrote...

I have the Collectors Edition pre-ordered but I honestly don't support this at all. This is a truly horrible practice. If the content along with the CE is designed to appeal to long-time fans, why are the copies of CE so limited? Those fans who didn't get a chance to pre-order early will now end up paying $70 to get all the content these "long-time" fans deserve. I'd understand if it was a character like Zaeed/Kasumi but this character sounds too important to the story to be DLC.

I really liked what they did with Shale and Dragon Age: Origins in order to get people to buy the game brand new; I fully supported that move but this is taking it too far.

Exactly. You would think that "long time fans" would deserve to have this just for buying ANY version of the game, instead of being asked to pay more for what they deem a "bonus."

[Bocks]

"- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification."

Uh-uh. Care to clarify why Jawik appears in the script leaks that happened months ago, then?

[El Ejcovero]

Aedan333 wrote...

Now I think the main issue is that people are buying a full game for 60 dollars and this dlc doesnt seem like an addon to the game but rather a piece missing from the game which they are trying to sell as a separate entity as anything that was made before the release of the game that could justifiably be considered part of the game like a squad mate should be in the game.

I do not think that the prothean will affect the story at all besides from a few lines of dialogue as he is still interactive in the game but as a NPC but to everyone buying the game and having to pay more it feels like the developer decided that they want to sell the game for a higher price but no one will buy a full game that is not aesthetically enhanced (custom skins, robopooch) for more than 60 dollars so they cut a piece away and say hey you can play the game but it won't have that complete feeling unless you pay this extra 10 dollars for a little more fun.

The worse part is that EVEN IF its made after the game went gold it is being released at launch which means it has also been given the green light to go as a complete and (hopefully unglitched) game piece. Now people bought the game which is they believe is complete but the complete game at launch would require the From Ashed DLC to be complete.

Yes, as I said in the previously locked thread (scumbag fire
control moderators), it isn't the DLC, it isn't the content, it is the fact
that content that should be part of the main package at launch is not. Never
mind the fact that it is probably content that affects the story in a
significant way and withholds plotlines people have been waiting for since Mass
Effect. This is an unethical business move by EA/BioWare and we must draw the line here. Day one DLC is never acceptable and it is unethical.

[Dionkey]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
You sound like the kind of guy who would get ripped off if someone was selling you something, suddenly charged more, and then you bought it anyway. Here's an example:

Me: Can I get $60 of beef, please.
Clerk: Sure, that's $10 per two pounds.
Me: That's fine, thanks.
Clerk: Oh, the final pound will cost you can extra $10.
Me: What? Why?
Clerk: That's just how it is.

Do you really embrace this kind of logic?

I think you messed up some your numbers there - not following the example.

£8 extra is not a rip-off. Not to me anyway. 

ME3 has a RRP of £50, but is being sold in places for £35. Given how much I played ME1 and ME2, £35 for ME3 is a bargain. If it costs £43 for ME3 plus another character, its still a great deal.

If it was something like a car - where tiny extras run into the hundreds or thousands of pounds - then I would consider that a rip-off. £8 for some extra content for a game I consider to be a bargain isn't something I consider a rip-off.

I don't know how else to put this. Anything can seem like a good deal when you desperately want it, but that doesn't make it a sound deal or justify it's ludicrous price. The game alone is a fine price, but the DLC on top was originally stripped from the game, so you're literally saying, "OKAY, take more money."

[ThebisRaidan]

Can't help but to agree with TotalBiscuit

Modifié par ThebisRaidan, 22 février 2012 - 11:08 .

[Nokterian]

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Aye. 

[shaneofthedead]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

 

Wait, so if we ordered the CE we're getting everything included in "From Dust" or the chracter and mission are the 
but it comes with its own set of Alternate Outifs and new weapon apart from the CE. If thats the case then thats effed up to offer the same character and mission that comes with the CE but new stuff that doesn't. Don't do it half way! Do either the stuff that comes with the CE or entirely new stuff. Don't mix it up!
Could somone please clarify