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[Farbautisonn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

One, small slight flaw in your love, dude.

You're talking about the ENTIRE Prothean race.


This is just one guy.

-The last remaining  guy of his race apparently. Whatever information he has, however insignifcant, will be instrumental in undestanding the protheans, finding new archeological sites, new mass relays, undestanding finds, etc.

[CerberusSoldier]

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

   



You have a right to refuse to buy this content .I support Electronic Arts in this move they are making this content accessable to all of us . I am buying it

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

No prothean ruins on mars. No relay access.

No prothean beacon on Edenprime, no prewarning on the reapers.

No prothean beacon on Viremire, and no prothean scipher from the thorians, no way to Ilos.

No prothean VI on Ilos, no override programmes for the citadel.

No prothean override programmes, no victory over Sovereign.

No prothean mass relay on ilos, no way to reach the citadel.

Ill say thats "fairly" instrumental and a "rather" significant contribution to the story. But Im sure you all did without any of the above.

So the protheans are the plot of ME 1? I'm pretty sure we knew that still not seeing how they are the plot of ME 3

Modifié par Draconis6666, 23 février 2012 - 03:50 .

[CaptainChip]

Zu Long wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...



So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

  Are you seriously taking the stance that protheans were not important to the story arc of Mass Effect? I know you're becoming an advid cheerleader for Bioware and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your cheer?

Are you seriously arguing that the entirety of Mass Effects plot revolves around the Protheans and their exploits? I know you're a hater and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your hate?

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

BUT IT DOES! What happened to them and what they did fuels much of the Mass Effect plot!

How are you not getting this?

[Spartanburger]

Because boycotts always end up working out sooooo well.

[KBomb]

RiouHotaru wrote...


One, small slight flaw in your love, dude.

You're talking about the ENTIRE Prothean race.


This is just one guy.

 
 
Right. I suppose if someone were to “dig up” some ancient Egyptian serf, you'd scoff and say it was an unimportant discovery because he wasn't privy to the higher echelons and would not be important? He'd have nothing of great value to add? Just little tidbits that we already know? You'd then just push him off to a job at the Starbucks or something, would you?
I'm just going to repeat this once more....


How can anyone say that a prothean doesn't have to be important to the story? In both games protheans have taken a seat only behind the reapers. To say they would add nothing of value is ridiculous. Furthermore, if this character doesn't add any importance, then the writing of him would be shoddy. You have an opportunity to have one of the most interesting and mythical beings—a being that takes up a majority of Mass effect lore—a being that has been a staple in every section of plot of in the Mass Effect universe! And make him some squad member that points out useless and miniscule facts that doesn't have any importance to the main plot? Even if you don't care about the price or practice of DLC that alone should anger you. The fact that such an important and rare chance to interact with such an extraordinary and significant character to the universe in which most of the story of Mass Effect was built around would be reduced to a few paltry lines.

[Lukeskymac]

_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.

Oh yes, how could they! After all, the protheans were demi-gods, and they obviously had a super-powerful-almost-finished Anti-Reaper Lazor on their basements, not just another species that fell to the Reapers like any other... <_<

You're wrong. In fact, what you suggest is actually poor writing. 

[spark_ptz]

CaptainChip wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...



So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

  Are you seriously taking the stance that protheans were not important to the story arc of Mass Effect? I know you're becoming an advid cheerleader for Bioware and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your cheer?

Are you seriously arguing that the entirety of Mass Effects plot revolves around the Protheans and their exploits? I know you're a hater and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your hate?

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

BUT IT DOES! What happened to them and what they did fuels much of the Mass Effect plot!

How are you not getting this?

As a counterpoint to my last post, I think the critical point is that if this DLC didn't exist at all and no Prothean was involved as a squadmember, I don't think anyone would be complaining especially loudly about missing plotpoints.

[Ecmoose]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ecmoose wrote.... I'm a human. Does that mean I automatically have significant insight into everything human kind has ever done?

Nope.

If you were the only human alive 50.000 years after your race left  the galaxy filled with wonders, you would be. You would be a unique source. No matter how little you knew.

Unique source? Yes. Provide pivotal information about a war my entire race lost because we already failed to stop a sneak attack ,an attack that was already prevented this cycle, thus changing the entire reaper game plan? No.

Modifié par Ecmoose, 23 février 2012 - 03:53 .

[Calians]

Imma just accept the fact that EA is now becoming a monoploy

Modifié par Calians, 23 février 2012 - 03:53 .

[Draconis6666]

CaptainChip wrote...


BUT IT DOES! What happened to them and what they did fuels much of the Mass Effect plot!

How are you not getting this?

Because it doesnt! It fuled the plot of the first game it is a minor side element to the second that could be totaly omitted and change nothing, and has little relevance on the third game because we are at the point now where the Protheans already had a chance and failed their contribution has already come and gone they are not the entire plot of the entire Series the ****ing reapers are.

[weremutt]

I really do not understand why people are complaining about this? They added the Prothean for the hardcore fans that were going to buy the Collector's Edition and it was going to be a CE only character originally. The company decided to release the entire Prothean mission along with weapons and armor for $10. I mean this is already more then what you got with the LoTSB. You got a mission with Liara in that and some more resources and the ability to respec your squadmates. One could say that was held out of ME2 until it was released. LoTSB is the best DLC I have ever bought.

As someone who purchased the Collectors Edition in Full, I would want my money back if they released this for free when they stated it that I was getting it for free in the CE. This is not the same thing as Zaeed and the other free DLC the company has given away for free with ME2, this was suppose to be a CE perk, not a standard edition perk. I say Kudos to Bioware for deciding to make this more available. They have done a lot that I am not happy about with ME3 such as not keeping on voice actors, adding co-op that has the ability to affect the single player, adding other modes then just the standard RPG, also the killing of the lore with heat sinks and not having to worry about ammo. That is all worthy of complaining but this, this is just really stupid to be complaining about, you are getting a CE perk, be happy you have the option to actually get it, some game companies never make the CE perks available to the standard editions. Bioware did, and no I am not a blind Bioware fanboy, I hated both Dragon Age games, Loved Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, I liked the first Old republic and I disliked the second. I do not play MMO's so I will not even touch on that.

Most of the people, (not all who are complaining), either were not able to or did not reserve the CE, It is part of being responsible as a person and a consumer, I knew there were going to be benefits to the Collectors Edition over the standard edition. So as a responsible consumer I took the initiative and not only did I reserve the Collectors Edition, I paid it off in full months in advance so I could guarantee my copy with the additional content. You are not entitled to the Prothean and the additional content, you have to pay for it if you want it just like I did on my CE copy.

[BP20125810]

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

You just picked apart my argument like a Bioware money sandwhich. (available as Day 1 DLC for fifty dollars)
Anywho, the charachter should never have been on sale in the first place.  Your kinda taking away some of the value of he Collector's edition.  

[streamlock]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Just to play devil's advocate here...(Minor ME2 spoilers ahead)

Grunt and Legion ARE optional... how is that even debatable.  You don't have to release Grunt or Wake Legion.  Neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have.  They should have been only included in the CE or we should have been charged 10 bucks a pop for them.  ME2 is a complete experience without them anyway-so......

I'll stop there.  The argument may become circular-and I hate circles.  I'm sure someone will pipe in that would actually defend it if Grunt, Garrus, or Legion was paid DLC and they would be thankfull for the privilege.  To them I have a response including them-some employees at Bioware, and oral felacio-but I promise to not go there.....Hopefully

[CerberusSoldier]

escapeartist80 wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

Bioware is based in Canada.<_<

BioWare has offices in Canada, USA and Ireland. They are owned by an american company called EA(Electronic arts).

That makes an american company as good as any other american owned company.

   



Electronic Arts is also a publicly traded company who has share holders and investors to answer to . If they want EA to make as much money off this Ip as they can then thats what EA will do for its share holders and investors . some on here need a lesson in business

[nitefyre410]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

   



You have a right to refuse to buy this content .I support Electronic Arts in this move they are making this content accessable to all of us . I am buying it

 

Like I said earlier... I'm going to get the game. Whether I come back to buy another Bioware  title again is another story . I'll think about it ...

Just like the DLC ..its in the air...I may very decide to get a  Double Whooper with  bacon and cheese. Saying screw the DLC ... just depends on how  mood goes.  

[_symphony]

crackseed wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.

I see lots of ways that can happen. Who is he? Is he even one of their top scientists? Or was he a soldier that was somehow preserved? How will he affect the main plot then? He may have knowledge of his race, but that doesn't mean he has any stronger idea of how to beat the Reapers.

I'm not saying he's some random lame grunt, but we don't know that he's anyone who was important in their society either, aka he comes back, can offer alot of interesting details about his species but when it comes to saving the galaxy, has about as much to offer as anyone else.

That's what I call poor writing. We have a protean alive that is wasted plot-wise because he was meant to be in a DLC.

[TheOptimist]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

I'll answer your non-sequitor question with another: Is the main character human?

Ill retort in the same fashion: Is the protagonist of this game alone in the galaxy?

Oh, I LIKE this game. OK, another pointless non-sequitor...got one:  Do Asari like cheese?

[hectorkbrn]

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

[hetfool]

Sargerus wrote...

hetfool wrote...

I'm just dissapointed to learn that a Prothean Squadmate is inconsequential to the primary story ... What a joke! The Protheans ARE the story!

ORLY? And here i thought the story was about Commander Shepard fighting evil alien machines from outer space

Hmm lemme think ...

THE ONLY REASON ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE REAPERS IS BECAUSE THE PROTHEANS 
REPROGRAMMED THE CITADEL KEEPERS TO IGNORE THE REAPER SINGALS!!!!!

It's the reason ME1 has the climax it does, it's the reason the Repears haven't omgrofl stomped everyone yet.

The Protheans are the only reason the whole story exists!!!!

Modifié par hetfool, 23 février 2012 - 03:55 .

[Spartanburger]

CaptainChip wrote...


BUT IT DOES! What happened to them and what they did fuels much of the Mass Effect plot!

Yeah, it did. In ME1. You know, back when that was explained.

I've read the leak, I know what Prothy will probably say in the final game. He provides interesting facts and tidbits. Nothing that can really help in the fight against the Reapers. Nothing that can really contribute the the plot.

Does he contribute to the lore and the history of the universe? Yes. To the plot? No.

[Calians]

TheOptimist wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

I'll answer your non-sequitor question with another: Is the main character human?

Ill retort in the same fashion: Is the protagonist of this game alone in the galaxy?

Oh, I LIKE this game. OK, another pointless non-sequitor...got one:  Do Asari like cheese?

I wouldn't think so....:happy:

[Bustercube]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

[nitefyre410]

hectorkbrn wrote...

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

 

worst...she  is the damn ship... I'm serious the *spoiler* is more like a remote control car.

[escapeartist80]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

escapeartist80 wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

escapeartist80 wrote...

EA, Bethesta and Activision. Ok so I need to add BioWare to the list aswell.
Only in America, land of greed.

Bioware is based in Canada.<_<

BioWare has offices in Canada, USA and Ireland. They are owned by an american company called EA(Electronic arts).

That makes an american company as good as any other american owned company.

   



Electronic Arts is also a publicly traded company who has share holders and investors to answer to . If they want EA to make as much money off this Ip as they can then thats what EA will do for its share holders and investors . some on here need a lesson in business

Are you saying they are not greedy? You seem to try and argue with me, but I dont understand where we disagree.

Modifié par escapeartist80, 23 février 2012 - 03:57 .