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[Zu Long]

CaptainChip wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

KBomb wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...



So the prothean beacon makies the entire story about the protheans? So I guess that Dragon Age Origins was a story about some guy named Duncan because he recruited you and told you about the blight?

  Are you seriously taking the stance that protheans were not important to the story arc of Mass Effect? I know you're becoming an advid cheerleader for Bioware and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your cheer?

Are you seriously arguing that the entirety of Mass Effects plot revolves around the Protheans and their exploits? I know you're a hater and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your hate?

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

BUT IT DOES! What happened to them and what they did fuels much of the Mass Effect plot!

How are you not getting this?

We already know what they did, and what happened to them. All of that was revealed already. I doubt this one guy is going to provide significantly more insight as to the salient points of the protheans last ditch efforts than Vigil did. What he will do is provide a more complete picture of the protheans before the reapers took them down. Interesting? Sure. Integral and necessary to ME3's plot? Not hardly.

[slimgrin]

Didn't we get Shale and Zaeed just for buying new copies?

Anyway, I don't need an African tour guide on the ship so Bioware can keep this DLC.

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[fides5566]

Spartanburger wrote...

Because boycotts always end up working out sooooo well.

^
this.

[Farbautisonn]

TheOptimist wrote...


Indeed, all that was very important.  Now, can you tell me where the Prothean capital world was? No?  How did we still manage to beat the collectors if we didn't know that?  Oh right, it's not NECESSARY TO THE PLOT. Just like this prothean isn't.  Is his knowledge interesting and doubtless useful? Probably.  A necessity to finishing the story about saving the galaxy from the race of evil giant cyborg cuttlefish? Probably not.

I dont know that. But the prothean should. And he should know a metric ton of other stuf too. 10 largest population centers. 10 colonized planets. 10 mass relays. A public secret like a prothean Area 51. And alot more.

How did we manage to beat the collectors. Whats the relevance? You wouldnt have even been fighting the collectors if the beacons etc hadnt been there? So Id say they are fairly NESSEARY TO THE PLOT (in caps even).

He might very well be essential to the plot if any of the information he has pans out to discover something that we didnt know. New tech. New mass relays. New anything.

A nessecety to finishing the story? Nope. But neither is the Normandy mark 2 or even crewmates. You can have an ending that goes "and they all lived happily ever after, and there was much rejoicing and free muffins". Would that be a good plot ending? No. But would it be possible to make such an ending? Very much so.

[spark_ptz]

weremutt wrote...

I really do not understand why people are complaining about this? They added the Prothean for the hardcore fans that were going to buy the Collector's Edition and it was going to be a CE only character originally. The company decided to release the entire Prothean mission along with weapons and armor for $10. I mean this is already more then what you got with the LoTSB. You got a mission with Liara in that and some more resources and the ability to respec your squadmates. One could say that was held out of ME2 until it was released. LoTSB is the best DLC I have ever bought.

As someone who purchased the Collectors Edition in Full, I would want my money back if they released this for free when they stated it that I was getting it for free in the CE. This is not the same thing as Zaeed and the other free DLC the company has given away for free with ME2, this was suppose to be a CE perk, not a standard edition perk. I say Kudos to Bioware for deciding to make this more available. They have done a lot that I am not happy about with ME3 such as not keeping on voice actors, adding co-op that has the ability to affect the single player, adding other modes then just the standard RPG, also the killing of the lore with heat sinks and not having to worry about ammo. That is all worthy of complaining but this, this is just really stupid to be complaining about, you are getting a CE perk, be happy you have the option to actually get it, some game companies never make the CE perks available to the standard editions. Bioware did, and no I am not a blind Bioware fanboy, I hated both Dragon Age games, Loved Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, I liked the first Old republic and I disliked the second. I do not play MMO's so I will not even touch on that.

Most of the people, (not all who are complaining), either were not able to or did not reserve the CE, It is part of being responsible as a person and a consumer, I knew there were going to be benefits to the Collectors Edition over the standard edition. So as a responsible consumer I took the initiative and not only did I reserve the Collectors Edition, I paid it off in full months in advance so I could guarantee my copy with the additional content. You are not entitled to the Prothean and the additional content, you have to pay for it if you want it just like I did on my CE copy.

I think the main argument here is a philosophical one.

The argument is that the time spent during the main development period should be solely for the completion of the game. As such, if you either devote time during the main development period up until gold certification on other, additional content which DLC is by definition, then you are spending time on a money grab rather than doing your primary job - which is completing the game. The other scenario is that you finish the game, do all the stuff... and then decide to segment it and sell a portion of it separate to the main game itself at release. In which case you have wilfully sold an incomplete product, which is also utterly unacceptable.

(Note that I am not saying that either of these has happened in this case)

[Crackseed]

_symphony wrote...

crackseed wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.

I see lots of ways that can happen. Who is he? Is he even one of their top scientists? Or was he a soldier that was somehow preserved? How will he affect the main plot then? He may have knowledge of his race, but that doesn't mean he has any stronger idea of how to beat the Reapers.

I'm not saying he's some random lame grunt, but we don't know that he's anyone who was important in their society either, aka he comes back, can offer alot of interesting details about his species but when it comes to saving the galaxy, has about as much to offer as anyone else.

That's what I call poor writing. We have a protean alive that is wasted plot-wise because he was meant to be in a DLC.

We'll have to disagree then, because depending on how it's written, it could be amazing writing. The last Prothean alive, and instead of being someone who was in a position to at least try to combat the Reapers, he is some honest individual who watched his whole race die off and now he can come back and help the new races fight the threat, even if he knows no more about how to beat them then anyone else. It can create a completely interesting character dynamic - the last living member of an ancient race, but like everyone else he's still just 1 being in the fight against the Reapers. He'll offer unique backstory, but he's STILL not critical to the fight because, again - he's simply 1 mortal creature, no matter his origins.

[Shatterhand1701]

Farbautisonn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

One, small slight flaw in your love, dude.

You're talking about the ENTIRE Prothean race.


This is just one guy.

-The last remaining  guy of his race apparently. Whatever information he has, however insignifcant, will be instrumental in undestanding the protheans, finding new archeological sites, new mass relays, undestanding finds, etc.

Somehow I'm thinking everyone's going to be far too busy trying to destroy the Reapers and save the known galaxy to worry about understanding their rich history and unsolved mysteries.  After the war is won?  Have at it.

I'll grant that the Prothean may have insight that could help Shepard in defeating the Reapers, but as it's optional content, he'll either find this information on his own without the Prothean's help or find a way that doesn't require that information.

[Squallypo]

 you know what, ima go play mass effect 1 the game that actually is a MASS EFFECT GAME and ima prettend that mass effect 3 never went this way  

[MysterD]

So, let me get this straight...

From Ashes DLC is only in N7 Collector's Edition [physical] and Digital Deluxe Edition versions of ME3.
It'll be $10 for From Ashes DLC for Standard Edition owners.

So, I'd guess this From Ashes DLC for PC would be sold either on Origin? Bioware Store? Or both?

Modifié par MysterD, 23 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[Ecmoose]

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

The CE included the prothean squad mate and anything else included in the From Ashes DLC. If you've orderd the CE then you're good.

[Spartanburger]

hectorkbrn wrote...

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

Probably more so, as EDI is an already established character, and the story behind what may or may not happen to her occurs on a plot-centric planet during a extremely relevant mission.

*tryingtoavoidsayinganykindofspoilerbutIbetyouallknowwhathappensalready*

[TheOptimist]

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

To the best of my knowledge, the From Ashes DLC, in it's entirety, is included in the collector's edition.  So in the CE, you get the alternate appearances in From Ashes AS WELL AS other alternate appearances only found in the CE.

[Zu Long]

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

[mauro2222]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7812 

This is where the actual petition is. Yes, this is a governmnent domain site. And yes, what they're doing is illegal.

No it is not. The petition already existed and has existed for a very long time.

Even if they highlight it in the media it IS NOT illegal.

I don't get for what they are petioning for...

Modifié par mauro2222, 23 février 2012 - 03:59 .

[nitefyre410]

spark_ptz wrote...

weremutt wrote...

I really do not understand why people are complaining about this? They added the Prothean for the hardcore fans that were going to buy the Collector's Edition and it was going to be a CE only character originally. The company decided to release the entire Prothean mission along with weapons and armor for $10. I mean this is already more then what you got with the LoTSB. You got a mission with Liara in that and some more resources and the ability to respec your squadmates. One could say that was held out of ME2 until it was released. LoTSB is the best DLC I have ever bought.

As someone who purchased the Collectors Edition in Full, I would want my money back if they released this for free when they stated it that I was getting it for free in the CE. This is not the same thing as Zaeed and the other free DLC the company has given away for free with ME2, this was suppose to be a CE perk, not a standard edition perk. I say Kudos to Bioware for deciding to make this more available. They have done a lot that I am not happy about with ME3 such as not keeping on voice actors, adding co-op that has the ability to affect the single player, adding other modes then just the standard RPG, also the killing of the lore with heat sinks and not having to worry about ammo. That is all worthy of complaining but this, this is just really stupid to be complaining about, you are getting a CE perk, be happy you have the option to actually get it, some game companies never make the CE perks available to the standard editions. Bioware did, and no I am not a blind Bioware fanboy, I hated both Dragon Age games, Loved Jade Empire, Neverwinter Nights, I liked the first Old republic and I disliked the second. I do not play MMO's so I will not even touch on that.

Most of the people, (not all who are complaining), either were not able to or did not reserve the CE, It is part of being responsible as a person and a consumer, I knew there were going to be benefits to the Collectors Edition over the standard edition. So as a responsible consumer I took the initiative and not only did I reserve the Collectors Edition, I paid it off in full months in advance so I could guarantee my copy with the additional content. You are not entitled to the Prothean and the additional content, you have to pay for it if you want it just like I did on my CE copy.

I think the main argument here is a philosophical one.

The argument is that the time spent during the main development period should be solely for the completion of the game. As such, if you either devote time during the main development period up until gold certification on other, additional content which DLC is by definition, then you are spending time on a money grab rather than doing your primary job - which is completing the game. The other scenario is that you finish the game, do all the stuff... and then decide to segment it and sell a portion of it separate to the main game itself at release. In which case you have wilfully sold an incomplete product, which is also utterly unacceptable.

(Note that I am not saying that either of these has happened in this case)

 

Thats more so who I feel on the subject - so yes I would say that about sums it up..

[chaoranchen]

There this comment I read at around page 13 (not exact) that succinctly summarised my viewpoint about this:

Whatever the DLC turns out to be, it will be a let down. You either have:
- A Prothean squad mate who's not important to the story and is just an ordinary guy with a gun.
- An important addition to the storyline that adds to the depth, but will get missed unless you pay extra money (he's not in the "complete game")

For all the people that are saying, "calm down, the Prothean is not important", that's nothing short of a disapointment too. Just in another way. After they've have been so central, after learning so much about them, you see one who just becomes like any regular guy with a gun, is just an anti-climax. I don't know which one of these two different kinds of let-downs is worse.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the protheans are the plot of ME 1? I'm pretty sure we knew that still not seeing how they are the plot of ME 3

-where did I state that the protheans are THE plot of  ME1? Or of ME3?  Feel free to quote me back, because Im sure you wouldnt put words into my mouth without having some sort of factual backing.

What I have stated is that the Protheans are essential to the lore, to the game and to the narrative. Trying to pretend they are not is just plain ignorant.

[Arcemise]

I was planning on getting the CE version for Xbox but then they ran out. I want to make it clear that I don't feel entitled to the extra content, but I will say that I don't support this practice. Charging people extra for content that is very plot relevant and was at least nearly finished by the time of release is pretty crappy. For those that were working the car analogy it'd be more appropriate to say you paid for the car and the radio came separate (not necessary, but you're definitely going to want it). I don't see why it couldn't be like the Cerberus Network setup which rewarded the players for buying new with free DLC content with the key being that it didn't matter what edition of the game you bought. Bioware/EA/whomever please show your customers the respect and they will support you in the future. We all want to play your game and I'm sure you want us to too.
This one gentleman did a pretty thorough look at the whole thing here

[TheOptimist]

Spartanburger wrote...

hectorkbrn wrote...

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

Probably more so, as EDI is an already established character, and the story behind what may or may not happen to her occurs on a plot-centric planet during a extremely relevant mission.

*tryingtoavoidsayinganykindofspoilerbutIbetyouallknowwhathappensalready*

I've scrupulously avoided most of the leaked script and appreciate your forbearance. 

[rex343]

I feel like Bio Ware made plans on adding the prothean to the main story scraped and as they put the finishing touches on it decided to re added to the game. I think that its not a main part of the game but instead a tribute to the fans who played the first two games and who enjoy the mystery and lore of the protheans and want to find out more you don't need it but its there if you want it.

[MasterMegatron]

slimgrin wrote...

Didn't we get Shale and Zaeed just for buying new copies?

Yep. With every new copy. Dunno why BioWare thought it would be cool to go against that.

[Shatterhand1701]

Zu Long wrote...

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

[Skorvitch]

Not a big fan of day 1 DLC. It shows the company is more about money than it is about its fan base. Simple solution is to not buy it. Take it a step further and not buy the game outright. All the screaming and the crying in the forums are just gonna go ignored, anyway. What's the point? Stop giving them money.

[Gambit One]

Before I say any of this, I'll make it clear that I WILL be buying ME3, and I WILL be buying this DLC.

With that said, I feel a little betrayed as a longtime Mass Effect fan. I've been following this series since its very inception, since the very first leaks about it began to come out. I've followed this series loyally, and have always tried to convince my friends why BioWare is exceptionally better than most other developers. In ME2, I felt like my loyalty was rewarded. The Cerberus Network allowed us a bunch of free content if we bought the game new. It was essentially a reward to their fans, and it was awesome.

This is cruel. Milking their biggest fans for money like this just seems wrong. You'd think with the conclusion of a series like this, they'd recognize how far their fan support has gotten them. While the Prothean may not be central to the plot of ME3 in particular, anyone who is a fan of the last two games is dying to know more about them. Making their loyal fans pay extra for something like this just seems mean. Like I said, I'll still be buying it, but I definitely feel stabbed in the back.

[Doom Lich]

I think the central issue here is no longer the fact that this is day one DLC. That's a important aspect that makes the practice underhanded, but I don't feel passionately enough about the unsavory quality of day one DLC.

The fact that has me bothered is they made a Prothean sole survivor who supposedly has no impact on your understanding of the lore. The only possible reason to make the squad member Prothean in that case would be a cash-grab directed toward hardcore fans. They want to loop you in to buying it for lore reasons, only to find out in terms of plot he's totally ineffectual.

Pardon me if I haven't expressed myself effectively, but that is a deceitful business practice. Make him either mean something, or make him something less important than the sole survivor of a pivotal plot race.

Then again, perhaps he does mean something to the back story, and Bioware is lying to our faces to cover a poor business decision.

That said, I'll still be buying mass effect 3. I'll just vote with my wallet againt the underhanded DLC practices.

Modifié par Doom Lich, 23 février 2012 - 04:04 .