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[Farbautisonn]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Somehow I'm thinking everyone's going to be far too busy trying to destroy the Reapers and save the known galaxy to worry about understanding their rich history and unsolved mysteries.  After the war is won?  Have at it.

I'll grant that the Prothean may have insight that could help Shepard in defeating the Reapers, but as it's optional content, he'll either find this information on his own without the Prothean's help or find a way that doesn't require that information.

-And yet, in all the recorded history of warfare since the battle of kadesh, undestanding the tech and tactics of your opponent has been vital to any victory. Any tech or tactical innovation was employed. But Im sure its different in the galaxy. Because you said so.

[Bustercube]

Thank you Zu Long, TheOptimist, & ecmoose

[hetfool]

THE ONLY REASON ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE REAPERS IS BECAUSE THE PROTHEANS REPROGRAMMED THE CITADEL KEEPERS TO IGNORE THE REAPER SINGALS!!!!!

IT'S THE REASON FOR THE ME1 CLIMAX, FOR WHY SAREN WAS INVOLVED, FOR SOVREIGNS PRUPOSE.

IT'S THE REASON THE REAPERS HAVEN'T OMGROFLSTOMPED EVERYONE YET!

THE PROTHEANS ARE THE ONLY REASON THIS WHOLE STORY EXISTS!!!!!!!!

[slimgrin]

Gambit One wrote...


With that said, I feel a little betrayed as a longtime Mass Effect fan

You mean by them whoring out a piece of the main plot as DLC?

BioWh*re. inc

Modifié par slimgrin, 23 février 2012 - 04:05 .

[spark_ptz]

Even if he is totally plot-irrelevant, that doesn't make him utterly inconsequential to the lore.

Again, the comparable example is Legion. Compare your knowledge of geth civilisation before to afterwards - despite the fact his actual plot influence is very small.

[-Skorpious-]

Am I a bad person for wanting this DLC solely for the alternate appearances for the squad? I would never buy the DLC based only on the outfits of course (not that I need to anyways considering I preordered the CE), but dammit, I love extra customization options for teammates.

Do you think the alternate appearances are provided to the player immediately after downloading or as a reward for the completion of the quest? I am thinking the latter, but this is an instance where I would be thrilled to be wrong. =p

[PaulSX]

hectorkbrn wrote...

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

I would not be pissed. I'd rather EDI is a dlc playable character

[AxisEvolve]

slimgrin wrote...

Didn't we get Shale and Zaeed just for buying new copies?

Anyway, I don't need an African tour guide on the ship so Bioware can keep this DLC.

Pretty racist if you ask me.

[Adain878]

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the central issue here is no longer the fact that this is day one DLC. That's a important aspect that makes the practice underhanded, but I don't feel passionately enough about the unsavory quality of day one DLC.

The fact that has me bothered is they made a Prothean sole survivor who supposedly has no impact on your understanding of the lore. The only possible reason to make the squad member Prothean in that case would be a cash-grab directed toward hardcore fans. They want to loop you in to buying it for lore reasons, only to find out in terms of plot he's totally ineffectual.

Pardon me if I haven't expressed myself effectively, but that is a deceitful business practice. Make him either mean something, or make him something less important than the sole survivor of a pivotal plot race.

Then again, perhaps he does mean something to the back story, and Bioware is lying to our faces to cover a poor business decision.

Im willing to bet its a pointless character that just happens to be a prothean to cash in, doubt they would lie to our faces with they way they've been defending it, but you never know.

[Shatterhand1701]

Zu Long wrote...

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

So, wait a minute...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

[DifferentD17]

How were we supposed to know there was a DLC character for the collectors edition? It's not in the description on pretty much any preorder site, and it's not even on your own site. Get your facts right so we can know what to buy.

[mrbauxjangles]

bacon tastes good

[Crackseed]

slimgrin wrote...

Gambit One wrote...


With that said, I feel a little betrayed as a longtime Mass Effect fan

You mean by them whoring out a piece of the main plot as DLC?

BioWh*re. inc

Please show us how this is a part of the main plot being shoehorned into DLC? Are you saying that w/o this DLC, you cannot complete ME3? Because that's what your wording is indicating, which is false.

You can beat ME3 w/o the Prothean present. Hooray!

[mauro2222]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

I don't get anything physical, and I still pay the same.

[Bustercube]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

So, wait a minute...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

BUT we're getting all the physical stuff to the tin case, the art book, the patch, etc

[spark_ptz]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

So, wait a minute...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

Again, the issue is not (or should not be) a financial one, but a philosophical one. My lunch cost $10 today and I know which one of my lunch and this DLC is more "valuable", but that's not particularly relevant, is it?

[Lime The Dragon]

Staff: We'd like to announce new add-on content!

Community: We hate you so much. So we're still going to give you our money, because we want the content. Or maybe we won't because we hate your business practices. But in the end, it doesn't matter because nobody really cares what we have to say about you, or your practices, or your game that isn't 100% perfect by our ever so creative but unrealistic minds.

Video gaming is a form of entertainment, folks. It's not essential to ANYBODY's life. If it's too expensive for you, go read a book or watch a movie.

Modifié par Lime The Dragon, 23 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[nitefyre410]

rex343 wrote...

I feel like Bio Ware made plans on adding the prothean to the main story scraped and as they put the finishing touches on it decided to re added to the game. I think that its not a main part of the game but instead a tribute to the fans who played the first two games and who enjoy the mystery and lore of the protheans and want to find out more you don't need it but its there if you want it.

 


We understand that but the problem is that you  are  "possiblely"(I say because  we don't know and not make an assumption) playing for content - non cosmetic content  that extends the playablity of the gam that is already on the disc when you purchase the game day one...

That would be like  Beshesda  charging you for  the Dark Botherhood quest on Day 1.   Its not something they added post release and I don't totaly buy the story of they worked on it for a month  in between.

Its PR spin plan and clear.

[GunMoth]

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

QFT

I think the problem most people are overlooking is the atmosphereic quality of the races and lore in Mass Effect. The protheans were thought to have been extinct and genetically rewritten. There's so much we could learn / hear from a prothean character that - mass effect fans who care about the mass effect universe's history - DLC would really cripple the experience of a lot of players who want certain things filled in. Not about the "STORY" or plot per say, but just about "prothean" culture and the experiences of a certain race. 

Here's some dialog from the prothean: 


Here's the script for anyone interested:
http://forum.blockla...?topic=176147.0


EDIT: And my two cents. I am a terrible kind of person who HAS to finish a story once I get started. Even if it means the authors switched their business ethics to clubbing baby seals and using their flesh as the paper in their books. I have the collectors edition preordered. I do not plan on unpreordering it. However, I don't plan on buying any more bioware games from here on out. I was disappointed in DA2. So far from a lot of the script I'm a bit disappointed in some aspects of the story, but otherwise it holds some weight. I love the concept of a prothean character but launch DLC is an awful idea. Goodbye bioware social. :V ily guys<3

Modifié par GunMoth, 23 février 2012 - 04:13 .

[fides5566]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

bacon tastes good

Bet that Krogan rib tastes better

[TheOptimist]

Farbautisonn wrote...
I dont know that. But the prothean should. And he should know a metric ton of other stuf too. 10 largest population centers. 10 colonized planets. 10 mass relays. A public secret like a prothean Area 51. And alot more.

None of which matters to the plot.

How did we manage to beat the collectors. Whats the relevance? You wouldnt have even been fighting the collectors if the beacons etc hadnt been there? So Id say they are fairly NESSEARY TO THE PLOT (in caps even).

 
Which is why the beacons were included in the plot.

He might very well be essential to the plot if any of the information he has pans out to discover something that we didnt know. New tech. New mass relays. New anything.

But he isn't, because you can play the game without him and still win.  I guarantee it.

A nessecety to finishing the story? Nope. But neither is the Normandy mark 2 or even crewmates. You can have an ending that goes "and they all lived happily ever after, and there was much rejoicing and free muffins". Would that be a good plot ending? No. But would it be possible to make such an ending? Very much so.

The ship you travel around in is necessary to the plot.  The permanent squadmates are likely to not all be necessary to the plot, although that's always debatable. Cue the world falling apart as it turns out it's not truly necessary to have any particular squadmate with you, as witnessed by the fact that both Tali and Garrus can easily be dead. Fortunately Bioware was nice enough to include them even if they didn't have to.  They decided they didn't have room for the Prothean, so he's DLC instead.  What is so hard about this?

[Shatterhand1701]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Somehow I'm thinking everyone's going to be far too busy trying to destroy the Reapers and save the known galaxy to worry about understanding their rich history and unsolved mysteries.  After the war is won?  Have at it.

I'll grant that the Prothean may have insight that could help Shepard in defeating the Reapers, but as it's optional content, he'll either find this information on his own without the Prothean's help or find a way that doesn't require that information.

-And yet, in all the recorded history of warfare since the battle of kadesh, undestanding the tech and tactics of your opponent has been vital to any victory. Any tech or tactical innovation was employed. But Im sure its different in the galaxy. Because you said so.

WOW.  Way to completely miss my point in favor of a non-related snarky comeback.  Cool story, bro.

Of course the Prothean tech will be valuable to understanding your enemy.  BUT, as has been stated countless times, the content is OPTIONAL, which means that Shepard and Co. will still gain the upper hand on the Reapers even if they don't encounter the Prothean!  Yes, his input will help, surely...but if it was "game-changing" in both the figurative and literal senses of the word, he'd be woven into the game and not offered as optional content.

[Zu Long]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Somehow I'm thinking everyone's going to be far too busy trying to destroy the Reapers and save the known galaxy to worry about understanding their rich history and unsolved mysteries.  After the war is won?  Have at it.

I'll grant that the Prothean may have insight that could help Shepard in defeating the Reapers, but as it's optional content, he'll either find this information on his own without the Prothean's help or find a way that doesn't require that information.

-And yet, in all the recorded history of warfare since the battle of kadesh, undestanding the tech and tactics of your opponent has been vital to any victory. Any tech or tactical innovation was employed. But Im sure its different in the galaxy. Because you said so.

GIven that the Protheans lost pretty decisively, I would probably take any strategies beyond "tinker with the keepers and hope like hell someone is paying attention next time" with a grain of salt or two...  >_>;

[spark_ptz]

GunMoth wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

QFT

I think the problem most people are overlooking is the atmosphereic quality of the races and lore in Mass Effect. The protheans were thought to have been extinct and genetically rewritten. There's so much we could learn / hear from a prothean character that - mass effect fans who care about the mass effect universe's history - DLC would really cripple the experience of a lot of players who want certain things filled in. Not about the "STORY" or plot per say, but just about "prothean" culture and the experiences of a certain race. 

Here's some dialog from the prothean: 


Here's the script for anyone interested:
http://forum.blockla...?topic=176147.0

Precisely. The level of detail and depth of the background in the Mass Effect universe is an integral part of what makes the franchise so great, it shouldn't be ignored easily (well, it shouldn't be ignored at all, frankly)

[Descedent]

Michael Gamble wrote...


- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.



 

Sorry but I don't believe it, release date DLC shouldn't exist if it's "not" a part of the original game. This Obviously EA going well HELL we can make $10 x 1million copies sold (at least this many idiots would buy this over 3 platforms) = $$$$$$$$

Yah I don't buy it Bioware, EA, or EAware and I don't support it.