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[ArkkAngel007]

Adain878 wrote...

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the central issue here is no longer the fact that this is day one DLC. That's a important aspect that makes the practice underhanded, but I don't feel passionately enough about the unsavory quality of day one DLC.

The fact that has me bothered is they made a Prothean sole survivor who supposedly has no impact on your understanding of the lore. The only possible reason to make the squad member Prothean in that case would be a cash-grab directed toward hardcore fans. They want to loop you in to buying it for lore reasons, only to find out in terms of plot he's totally ineffectual.

Pardon me if I haven't expressed myself effectively, but that is a deceitful business practice. Make him either mean something, or make him something less important than the sole survivor of a pivotal plot race.

Then again, perhaps he does mean something to the back story, and Bioware is lying to our faces to cover a poor business decision.

Im willing to bet its a pointless character that just happens to be a prothean to cash in, doubt they would lie to our faces with they way they've been defending it, but you never know.

He provides some insights we wouldn't have known otherwise, especially about the Asari.  But that seems to be his main purporse: a walking, talking codex.

[The_mango55]

hetfool wrote...

THE ONLY REASON ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE REAPERS IS BECAUSE THE PROTHEANS REPROGRAMMED THE CITADEL KEEPERS TO IGNORE THE REAPER SINGALS!!!!!

IT'S THE REASON FOR THE ME1 CLIMAX, FOR WHY SAREN WAS INVOLVED, FOR SOVREIGNS PRUPOSE.

IT'S THE REASON THE REAPERS HAVEN'T OMGROFLSTOMPED EVERYONE YET!

THE PROTHEANS ARE THE ONLY REASON THIS WHOLE STORY EXISTS!!!!!!!!

Actually there are multiple reasons, including Shepard.

But even if that were true why does that make this dude in particular an essential plot point? What's he going to tell us that we absolutely need to know, but don't already?

[Calians]

Lime The Dragon wrote...

Staff: We'd like to announce new add-on content!

Community: We hate you so much. So we're still going to give you our money, because we want the content. Or maybe we won't because we hate your business practices. But in the end, it doesn't matter because nobody really cares what we have to say about you, or your practices, or your game that isn't 100% perfect by our ever so creative but unrealistic minds.

Video gaming is a form of entertainment, folks. It's not essential to ANYBODY's life. If it's too expensive for you, go read a book or watch a movie.

Looks like it'll be that way for me..game of thrones and the hobbit..yesssss:wizard:

[spark_ptz]

Descedent wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...


- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.



 

Sorry but I don't believe it, release date DLC shouldn't exist if it's "not" a part of the original game. This Obviously EA going well HELL we can make $10 x 1million copies sold (at least this many idiots would buy this over 3 platforms) = $$$$$$$$

Yah I don't buy it Bioware, EA, or EAware and I don't support it.

That's not how game development works. There is necessarily a gap between the game actually being finished (or effectively finished for the majority of the dev team) and the game going on sale. If they want to actually do something in that time and make it worth their while (and yes, that means selling it for money), then I have no issue with that. If I think it's worth it, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't. Quite simple.

[TheOptimist]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Bustercube wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

This thread is already 69+ pages long, so I'm sorry if this was touched on earlier. 
What I took away from that sentence was there's stuff in that "From Ashes" DLC that won't be included in the CE even "IF" the secret squadmate listed in the CE details is the Prothean. It sounds like I'd have to buy this DLC even if I have the CE with the Prothean squademate. Or am I miss understanding you? Thanks for any clairification. 

It's all included. If you bought CE, your shopping is done.

So, wait a minute...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

Congratulations, sir, here is your sanity badge, proving you are a rational being.  Wear it with pride.

[Dragoonlordz]

mauro2222 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

http://epetitions.di.../petitions/7812 

This is where the actual petition is. Yes, this is a governmnent domain site. And yes, what they're doing is illegal.

No it is not. The petition already existed and has existed for a very long time.

Even if they highlight it in the media it IS NOT illegal.

I don't get for what they are petioning for...

The original petition is for government to release any and all files have relating to anything classes as unidentified flying objects and any records about aliens or such things. The petition itself has been around for very long time and as you can see with just less than 1000 votes out of the needed 100,000 to have topic brought up in houses of parliament.. It hasn't been what you would call very popular on list of things want politicians talking about over here.

As a UK resident and known about this E-Petition site for long time if take your time to look through it there are some of the most stupid things can imagine listed on there that some random guy created a petition for. In the end even if ends up reaching 100k signatures all it means is will be mentioned in parliament and may be talked about (which will probably last all 3.14 seconds) before dismissed and move on to next topic.

All EA or Bioware (or whoever) might have done is highlight it's existance which is not illegal to do as I do not think it is illegal for anyone to bring to attention a petition regardless of who or where attention is gained. A gimmick for EA, but not one that would be illegal as they never created the petition. I actually find it amusing that it is still on less than thousand signatures and can imagine the original guy who made the petition thinking "Ooh, only 99,000 to go!" 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 23 février 2012 - 04:17 .

[spark_ptz]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Adain878 wrote...

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the central issue here is no longer the fact that this is day one DLC. That's a important aspect that makes the practice underhanded, but I don't feel passionately enough about the unsavory quality of day one DLC.

The fact that has me bothered is they made a Prothean sole survivor who supposedly has no impact on your understanding of the lore. The only possible reason to make the squad member Prothean in that case would be a cash-grab directed toward hardcore fans. They want to loop you in to buying it for lore reasons, only to find out in terms of plot he's totally ineffectual.

Pardon me if I haven't expressed myself effectively, but that is a deceitful business practice. Make him either mean something, or make him something less important than the sole survivor of a pivotal plot race.

Then again, perhaps he does mean something to the back story, and Bioware is lying to our faces to cover a poor business decision.

Im willing to bet its a pointless character that just happens to be a prothean to cash in, doubt they would lie to our faces with they way they've been defending it, but you never know.

He provides some insights we wouldn't have known otherwise, especially about the Asari.  But that seems to be his main purporse: a walking, talking codex.

As was Legion.

[CaptainChip]

I think I've gotten a sudden realization to where the problem comes from now.

Sure, day one DLC is a horrible thing to do, but it probably wouldn't be as bad if they just never added a Prothean character. The race should've stayed dead.

[hectorkbrn]

nitefyre410 wrote...

hectorkbrn wrote...

Possible Spoiler




Question: If the DLC squad-mate would have been EDI, would everyone have ****ed this much?

 

worst...she  is the damn ship... I'm serious the *spoiler* is more like a remote control car.

Exactly,  people wouldn't give a damn for it and simply not buy it?

[mogonk]

hetfool wrote...

THE ONLY REASON ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE REAPERS IS BECAUSE THE PROTHEANS REPROGRAMMED THE CITADEL KEEPERS TO IGNORE THE REAPER SINGALS!!!!!

IT'S THE REASON FOR THE ME1 CLIMAX, FOR WHY SAREN WAS INVOLVED, FOR SOVREIGNS PRUPOSE.

IT'S THE REASON THE REAPERS HAVEN'T OMGROFLSTOMPED EVERYONE YET!

THE PROTHEANS ARE THE ONLY REASON THIS WHOLE STORY EXISTS!!!!!!!!

"Optional" is apparently another word for "cash grab".

Modifié par mogonk, 23 février 2012 - 04:14 .

[spark_ptz]

CaptainChip wrote...

I think I've gotten a sudden realization to where the problem comes from now.

Sure, day one DLC is a horrible thing to do, but it probably wouldn't be as bad if they just never added a Prothean character. The race should've stayed dead.

I think it's a brilliant idea if done properly. But because it is a Prothean, this is always going to be a sensitive issue. It's a hugely disproportionate character in terms of significance.

[V1per7]

Lime The Dragon wrote...

Staff: We'd like to announce new add-on content!

Community: We hate you so much. So we're still going to give you our money, because we want the content. Or maybe we won't because we hate your business practices. But in the end, it doesn't matter because nobody really cares what we have to say about you, or your practices, or your game that isn't 100% perfect by our ever so creative but unrealistic minds.

Video gaming is a form of entertainment, folks. It's not essential to ANYBODY's life. If it's too expensive for you, go read a book or watch a movie.

1. we dont mind paying for a DLC. specially if its actually adding gameplay hours into the full game
2. "From Ashes" is not a DLC. DLC suppose to be available for download to prolong the game time.
3. releasing this so-called "DLC" at the same time on release is money grabbing
4. if bioware ask me to pay $40 on an expension that continue or somehow add a plot to the overall game, i would be happy to!

[JakePT]

Every time BioWare responds to complaints about DLC they pull out the "It's optional" line. Makes me terrified for the day when the $60 box copy is the bare minimum and the rest of the game costs extra. "It's optional" they'll say. Well, part of amazing games like this is having options in the content, that's the whole point of interactive fiction! Saying something costs extra because it's optional is not reassuring! We know it's optional, and we don't want to be forced to pay extra just to get optional content that the games have always previously included.

If it's ready day 1 it should be part of the main content. Even if you have to download it because of certification or whatever, it should be free. What happened to the Cerberus Network model. The equivalent to this content was free!

[nitefyre410]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

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So, wait a minute...

The retail version is $59.99, so add the $10 content and you're getting everything minus the CE-exclusive stuff for $69.99.  If you buy the CE, you're getting $10 more content (the robo-dog, the N7 hoodie, the CE-specific alternate appearance models, the litho, etc.)

So, non-CE buyers are ****ing about actually SAVING $10 that the CE-buyers have to spend to get the whole shebang.

OUTSTANDING.

ME 3 CE       $79.99  

average cost of  a soundtrack Ditigal or other wise... between $10 -$20 
Artbook  $5-$7  
Weapons pack    $3-$6 

The extra 20 bucks that was paid for the CE is already eaten up by the Artbook and the soundtrack... So even paying a extra 20 bucks those who brought the CE are still getting the  DLC if break down the cost of each item included in the CE  

[Shatterhand1701]

GunMoth wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

QFT

I think the problem most people are overlooking is the atmosphereic quality of the races and lore in Mass Effect. The protheans were thought to have been extinct and genetically rewritten. There's so much we could learn / hear from a prothean character that - mass effect fans who care about the mass effect universe's history - DLC would really cripple the experience of a lot of players who want certain things filled in. Not about the "STORY" or plot per say, but just about "prothean" culture and the experiences of a certain race. 

Here's some dialog from the prothean: 


Here's the script for anyone interested:
http://forum.blockla...?topic=176147.0

I listened to that dialogue at the link you provided, and while it is interesting, I'd hardly consider it crucial to the outcome of the story of Mass Effect 3, specifically.

Sorry.

[ArkkAngel007]

spark_ptz wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Adain878 wrote...

Doom Lich wrote...

I think the central issue here is no longer the fact that this is day one DLC. That's a important aspect that makes the practice underhanded, but I don't feel passionately enough about the unsavory quality of day one DLC.

The fact that has me bothered is they made a Prothean sole survivor who supposedly has no impact on your understanding of the lore. The only possible reason to make the squad member Prothean in that case would be a cash-grab directed toward hardcore fans. They want to loop you in to buying it for lore reasons, only to find out in terms of plot he's totally ineffectual.

Pardon me if I haven't expressed myself effectively, but that is a deceitful business practice. Make him either mean something, or make him something less important than the sole survivor of a pivotal plot race.

Then again, perhaps he does mean something to the back story, and Bioware is lying to our faces to cover a poor business decision.

Im willing to bet its a pointless character that just happens to be a prothean to cash in, doubt they would lie to our faces with they way they've been defending it, but you never know.

He provides some insights we wouldn't have known otherwise, especially about the Asari.  But that seems to be his main purporse: a walking, talking codex.

As was Legion.

Except Legion had, at least at the time, an important loyalty mission.  This guy, from what I can tell, doesn't even get that, though I'm sure you get an asset of some sort.

That and Legion is very important to the plot in ME3.

[Doom Lich]

Lime The Dragon wrote...

Staff: We'd like to announce new add-on content!

Community: We hate you so much. So we're still going to give you our money, because we want the content. Or maybe we won't because we hate your business practices. But in the end, it doesn't matter because nobody really cares what we have to say about you, or your practices, or your game that isn't 100% perfect by our ever so creative but unrealistic minds.

Video gaming is a form of entertainment, folks. It's not essential to ANYBODY's life. If it's too expensive for you, go read a book or watch a movie.

As Spark_ptz very well put it, the issue is as a whole a philisophical one, not a financial one. There are several fundemental issues with the mindset that would breed this kind of underhanded buisness.

Either they're lieing to our face, or performing a shameless cashgrab. Either way, it's dirty. And that's before we consider that this is day one DLC.

[V1per7]

mogonk wrote...

hetfool wrote...

THE ONLY REASON ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE REAPERS IS BECAUSE THE PROTHEANS REPROGRAMMED THE CITADEL KEEPERS TO IGNORE THE REAPER SINGALS!!!!!

IT'S THE REASON FOR THE ME1 CLIMAX, FOR WHY SAREN WAS INVOLVED, FOR SOVREIGNS PRUPOSE.

IT'S THE REASON THE REAPERS HAVEN'T OMGROFLSTOMPED EVERYONE YET!

THE PROTHEANS ARE THE ONLY REASON THIS WHOLE STORY EXISTS!!!!!!!!

"Optional" is apparently another word for "cash grab".

they MADE it optional. they forced to be optional. when it should have been in the full game.

the fact that the DLC is available for download on release date, just goes to say "money grabbing" at its finest. 

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

So the protheans are the plot of ME 1? I'm pretty sure we knew that still not seeing how they are the plot of ME 3

-where did I state that the protheans are THE plot of  ME1? Or of ME3?  Feel free to quote me back, because Im sure you wouldnt put words into my mouth without having some sort of factual backing.

What I have stated is that the Protheans are essential to the lore, to the game and to the narrative. Trying to pretend they are not is just plain ignorant.

The protheans being essential to the lore does not make the prothean squad member essential to the plot however that is the argument. Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

[Calians]

>Protheans sound african.

>Reapers turned them into collector slaves.

Thus Reapers are the american's of space

[Zu Long]

spark_ptz wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

QFT

I think the problem most people are overlooking is the atmosphereic quality of the races and lore in Mass Effect. The protheans were thought to have been extinct and genetically rewritten. There's so much we could learn / hear from a prothean character that - mass effect fans who care about the mass effect universe's history - DLC would really cripple the experience of a lot of players who want certain things filled in. Not about the "STORY" or plot per say, but just about "prothean" culture and the experiences of a certain race. 

Here's some dialog from the prothean: 


Here's the script for anyone interested:
http://forum.blockla...?topic=176147.0

Precisely. The level of detail and depth of the background in the Mass Effect universe is an integral part of what makes the franchise so great, it shouldn't be ignored easily (well, it shouldn't be ignored at all, frankly)

But that feeling of immersion for the true fans is why they included it in the Collectors Edition...which was for the true fans. For the people who are picking up ME3 cold off the shelf it is just some extra content and extra flavor. If the lore/atmosphere/detail was so important to you, why on Gods green earth wouldn't you pick up the CE when you KNEW there was a bonus character included, to say nothing of the soundtrack, artbook etc?

[Draconis6666]

V1per7 wrote...

they MADE it optional. they forced to be optional. when it should have been in the full game.

Your Opinoin and not what Bioware agrees with apparently, its not up to you to descide what is part of the game and what is important to the game if you want to do that go make your own game. 

[JJDrakken]

Skorvitch wrote...

Not a big fan of day 1 DLC. It shows the company is more about money than it is about its fan base. Simple solution is to not buy it. Take it a step further and not buy the game outright. All the screaming and the crying in the forums are just gonna go ignored, anyway. What's the point? Stop giving them money.

But wont happen, Video Games are legalized Drugs, the Companies know it.  People want their fix, they'll F you over because they can.


JJ

[AxisEvolve]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...
I listened to that dialogue at the link you provided, and while it is interesting, I'd hardly consider it crucial to the outcome of the story of Mass Effect 3, specifically.

Sorry.

All of that dialog was from about half of one mission (Sur'Kesh). So I'd say there's a lot more than that.

[Eragondragonrider]

JJDrakken wrote...

Skorvitch wrote...

Not a big fan of day 1 DLC. It shows the company is more about money than it is about its fan base. Simple solution is to not buy it. Take it a step further and not buy the game outright. All the screaming and the crying in the forums are just gonna go ignored, anyway. What's the point? Stop giving them money.

But wont happen, Video Games are legalized Drugs, the Companies know it.  People want their fix, they'll F you over because they can.


JJ

mmmm WOWCRACK yummy.