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[Liara T]

A sad day for me and the fans

 PRE ORDER CANCELLED 

GAME OVER!

I will never ever buy a Bioware/EA Game again

Modifié par Liara T, 23 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[Bustercube]

Prophetiks wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

 Mass Effect 3 is a complete . . . game right out of the box.
 

Wrong, and I won't be buying it due to this move. 

The Cerberus Network for Mass Effect 2 was well-implemented and perfectly reasonable. This however, is not, and I won't encourage this practice by buying Mass Effect 3 until this is changed.

Good luck with that.

[Shatterhand1701]

Farbautisonn wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...
None of which matters to the plot.

-I havent seen the canon plot anywhere. Have you? Verifyable source? If not, how can you tell? 
 

Which is why the beacons were included in the plot.

-And why they are essential to the plot. Thank you for conceeding that.

But he isn't, because you can play the game without him and still win.  I guarantee it.

-First of all, I dont much care for your personall assurances. Youre not a dev. So forgive me if I do not take your words as gospel. Second, Doesnt matter if he as a person is non-essential as an NPC. This is a game where the only essential character is you. If the Devs wanted to they could write a story where you ate a pickled heering which caused a singularity that caused all reapers to implode. Wouldnt be very impressive storywriting, but it would be possible and if it was in the game you'd have to eat that ending and smile too.

The ship you travel around in is necessary to the plot.

-Nope. You could travel in a shuttle. On a magic carpet for that matter.

  The permanent squadmates are likely to not all be necessary to the plot, although that's always debatable.

-The only essential character in this game if we cut as deep as we can, is you. The protagonist. Would the game be fun, engageing and interesting if you were the only person there? Nope. But you are the only essential character in the game.

Cue the world falling apart as it turns out it's not truly necessary to have any particular squadmate with you, as witnessed by the fact that both Tali and Garrus can easily be dead. Fortunately Bioware was nice enough to include them even if they didn't have to.  They decided they didn't have room for the Prothean, so he's DLC instead.  What is so hard about this?

I dont care that he is a DLC toon. I find it slightly offensive that I am being blackmailed into getting an NPC that is;
a) From a race that has had such a huge impact on the story, lore and setting in wich I play.
 Being perverted to the extent that he and his culture has apparently been trivialized enough to be regulated from "Essential plot element" to "Insignificant plot element" over the timespan from ME1 to ME3.

I love how we turned this ginormous rant session from 

"OH NOES!  I have to spend extra money for content!!!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"

to

"OH NOES!  The Protheans aren't getting the respect and attention they deserve!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"  

I'd LOVE to scan the forums to see if, early in the development of ME3, anyone argued for having a Prothean in the game, perhaps as even...oh, I don't know...downloadable add-on content, let's say!

[Draconis6666]

Bluko wrote...

For what it's worth this is exactly why I didn't pre-order the game. (Well and a few other minor issues I have with what I've seen or haven't seen from ME3.)

I had hoped I was going to be wrong and that the optional character in the CE was not going to be the Prothean. I was hoping it was going to be you know who as really that make a lot more sense as being "optional". Yet considering how integral Protheans are to this series it seems very cheeky that such a character should be considered optional.

Zaeed and Kasumi were acceptable (although wasn't super fond of this either) as they were not really integral to ME2 in anyway other then helping you with the last mission and getting you a few extra goodies. It's good cause people who did not get those DLCs aren't really missing anything then. But it's also bad as you have characters that exist for no real purpose nor add anything to the actual story. But hey it's not like we're making story driven games where the characters should actually be important right?

I'm sorry, but I cannot support this kind of behavior where you nickel and dime your fans as much as possible, even if many are willing to pay. Why not simply give your playerbase more bang for their buck and earn their respect for being a "kind" developer instead of a "greedy" one? The more DLC I see for a game, especially shortly after release, the less respect I have for the Publishers and Developers since they more often then not probably could have just included that material in the main game were they willing to work on the game longer. Also the fact that you're lying about this being something that couldn't be  included in the main game is a complete joke. You guys had this well planned in advanced when you announced the CE which was about a year ago now. You honestly expect me to believe that you could not have included the Prothean in the normal version within a year's time?  Next time use a better excuse like not enough disk space.

If you continue this business practice of making character optional DLC this will be the last Bioware game I buy. Look I don't mind so much additional weapons, armors, side missions, etc. being sold seperately. That's fine. Make all the DLC of stuff like that to suck the money out of the people who'll buy everything. But enough with the "optional" characters unless you're going to make full-fledged expansion packs where such a character might be warranted. The 1-2 hour missions are pretty lousy in comparison to most expansion packs I am familiar with.

I understand you are business hence your goal is generally to make as much profit as possible. You'll just have to pardon me for not liking it since it comes to me as an additional and seemingly unnecessary expense. Although what bothers me most is you are essentially cheating some people out of stuff they probably could have had. I see this as counter productive to making video games more accessible. And I will have no part in it.

Or instead they could be allowing people who wish to pay for it ,to experience a character that just as easily no one could have had because he wasnt finished at the time of certification.

[DifferentD17]

FlyingCow371 wrote...

I don't understand what the big deal is about this. They've been saying for a while that the fancy collectors edition would have an extra character and mission, and they're just releasing this to make the same character and mission available to people who get the regular edition. Mass effect will likely have enough story even without this dude. ME2 had several extra squad people, most of which had very short missions and felt like a bit of a let down. I wouldn't worry too much about missing this one.

Plus the $10 price point feels kinda high, but seems like the standard price for most random DLC things now. If you think it's too much, don't buy it, and if enough people do the same maybe EA will make their prices more reasonable.

They haven't said anything about an extra character, they denied it at first and there is nothing in any preorder discription that says anything about an extra character.

[weremutt]

I do not like release day DLC at all but this is a CE perk and people who are getting this should not be complaining. The only reason I purchased the CE was for the extra character I knew was going to inevitably be added as well as weapons and armor. If I had known that this was going to happen, I never would have purchased the CE addition because it was originally only suppose to be a CE perk for purchasing it. I would have rather saved that $10. And after looking through the board and seeing who the majority of the people are complaining about this, you are the biggest hypocrites out there. The only reason anyone should cancel this game is if the co-op was not optional. I nearly cancelled my reserve and got my money back because of the co-op, but since it does not affect single player at all I manned up and kept it. Cancelling over game day DLC with a Collectors Edition DLC option for the standard edition is just about the most childish thing I can imagine because originally you were not getting the character anyway.

This is a company that needs to make money to develop more games with more great stories for us their fans and consumers to buy. I am a Bioware fan, I like a lot of the games they make and dislike many others. If Bioware makes this free it is a problem for everyone who has bought the Collectors Edition because those people deserve a refund. At $10 a Collectors Edition that is a lot of money that would need to be refunded and that will greatly hurt the company and future game development. Since the start of this trilogy I have known that at some point in the trilogy a prothean was going to end up a squadmate and the fact that it is a CE perk I think it is great for the die hard fans such as myself. If you are the ticked off over this do not buy the game or the DLC.
On that note, if this DLC does become free I want my $10 back for buying the Collectors Edition because I purchased the CE with the understanding that I was getting more game content. If I have to pay for it, SO DO YOU!

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...
How are you being blackmailed ? Did EA kidap your dog and threaten to shoot it if you dont buy the DLC?

Thats cute. Really. 

If I want to have the slightest chance of having the experience that the previous two games promised by having a toon that can actually shed some light on an essential lore, narrative and plotitem, I have to fork over the cash.

Thanks for trying though.

[Kreidian]

Let me just say that I would like to point out how  ...   - let's just use the word "inaccurate" for now -  ... some people are being about this. I would express in great detail how I felt but that would likely result in heavy editing on the part of the moderators and probably some probationary action against me over language use.

So I will say this; there are some blatant, horendous fallacies that people are peddling across in their arguments as absolute fact. These are just plain wrong and people need to realize this so they can actually consider the situation rationally; you know, like adults are expected to do.

Rather then go into great detail about things which have already been explained but people refuse to accept rationally, let me just say this. Most of you are not game developers. Therefore YOU DO NOT have ANY clue what is actually involved in game developement. Trying to point to some months old audio files and a line for a DLC in the CE announcement as proof of some great conspiracy and malicious intent to exploit their customer is just plain wrong. All it shows is you have absolutely no understanding how things actually work.

You want real exploitation? Check out some of the "free to play" online games out there that really do nickle and dime their customers to death and the only way to play is to pay more then the next guy.

All that Bioware is guilty of is planning ahead. Planning ahead so there would be bonus content available to their customers from day one. So you won't have to wait until months after ME3 is released for some DLC. Because guess what? They listen to their customers, they listen when people were disappointed there was so little DLC for the original Mass Effect. And there's nothing wrong with them charging for it because it is, no matter how much you whine about it, still optional content. You don't need it, and you don't have to pay for it, you can enjoy the game just fine without it.

None of this makes Bioware or EA evil. On the contrary, it means they're competent, it means they're actually working hard to give YOU, their customers, something you will want in addition to the game itself. And they're making it available as early as they can. Let's face it, if they had delayed this DLC one month none of your arguments would have been valid.

But you'd still complain about it if they had done that. Why? Frankly it's because you have a false sense of entitlement. You honestly believe that for some reason you deserve to have this bonus content, for free, without doing anything whatsoever to earn it. Simple fact is, you're being selfish, nothing more, nothing less.

Those of us who aren't acting like children about this actually appreciate all the hard work that Bioware is doing for Mass Effect. And indeed want to encourage them to keep working on it and to keep making more DLCs for the game for as long as they can!

And yes I will be buying the DLC, and I will be enjoying the game, which I preordered. And your ridiculous "facts" won't convince me to cancel a damn thing. But by all means, cancel your own preorders. I'll make sure to tell all my friends that people were stupid enough to cancel their pre-orders so now they too might have a shot of securing their collector's edition.

Just do us all a favor and learn the truth, or shut up about it.

[Farbautisonn]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I love how we turned this ginormous rant session from 

"OH NOES!  I have to spend extra money for content!!!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"

to

"OH NOES!  The Protheans aren't getting the respect and attention they deserve!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"  

I'd LOVE to scan the forums to see if, early in the development of ME3, anyone argued for having a Prothean in the game, perhaps as even...oh, I don't know...downloadable add-on content, let's say!

Oh... so you thought it was only possible to have two opinions on the matter. Im sorry. I didnt mean to strain your synapses.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

-To you. To me its essential. This isnt a pew pew. for me. Its a Storydriven Fps with RPG elements. You might be happy with plugging the "Boss mob" after fighting a horde of minions.  Im not.

Thats your opinion of whats important though, which is irrelevant and so is mine. Bioware is entitled to their own opinion of what is and is not needed for its game and what is optional. Not you, not me. They took the time to make and create the game and it is their decision, you are entitled to nothing other than what they decide to offer you. If you dont want it fine dont pay for it but dont **** about it because they dont meet your expectations.

[Zu Long]

KBomb wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Are you seriously arguing that the entirety of Mass Effects plot revolves around the Protheans and their exploits? I know you're a hater and all, but are you sure you want to add this to your hate?

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

 
Perhaps you lack reading comprehension and if so, I apologize. I'll try to break it down. Saying that protheans are an important part of the Mass effect story arc is not equal to saying that Mass Effect revolves around the protheans only. Okay? Okay!

I comprehended you strawmanning someone else just fine. Did you fail to comprehend me mocking you by ironically doing the same to you?

You and the others can deny they are important all you wish. I don't care if you need a reason to justify this. That is your prerogative. Doesn't change the fact that in both series the prothean culture was discussed just as much as the reapers. I'd say that's pretty important to the story arc. You cannot deny that finding a living prothean wouldn't be a huge deal to anyone in the ME realm. To make one a DLC with limited dialogue and little importance is asinine.

Finding a Prothean would be a huge historical and anthropological discovery in ME verse. Militarily? One member of a race whose major accomplishment in the last war was getting their butts kicked in spectacular fashion does not make a big difference. Again, his perspective would be interesting, but not critical to defeating the reapers in any way shape or form. Ignoring that to complain is, of course, your prerogative, just as calling you on it is ours.

Strawman arguments are FUN! What's next?

  Well, I suppose you'd know, wouldn't you?

Yes, I would?

[Descedent]

Liara T wrote...

Truth!

[ArkkAngel007]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

I love how we turned this ginormous rant session from 

"OH NOES!  I have to spend extra money for content!!!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"

to

"OH NOES!  The Protheans aren't getting the respect and attention they deserve!  PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"  

I'd LOVE to scan the forums to see if, early in the development of ME3, anyone argued for having a Prothean in the game, perhaps as even...oh, I don't know...downloadable add-on content, let's say!

There were plenty of people wanting it, but there were also plenty who brought forth complaints, because people were worried how it would be implemented.

[nitefyre410]

Lets say you go to eat, your order your food and what do expect... for the cooks and chef to cook the food.

You don't expect how ever to be charged for the produce, meats, seasonings that go into the meal and then be charge again for them too cook it.

Because this "DLC" I would be very surprised if it not already on the disc when the game bought... so the means we are getting charge for cooking of portion of our meal.

[Yuoaman]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

The big deal is because it involves a species that should be a big deal in the Mass Effect games, but is being included in the game itself.

Thats not what people are complaining about at all, they are instisting that because it SHOULD be a big deal that it should be included for free even though he ISNT actualy a big deal and isnt important to the game. 

What people should be complaining about is that he was a poor implementation for having a Prothean in the game and that it was a waste of the potential in having one still alive the way it was implemented. Thats not what people are doing however they are just crying that they have to pay for something because the feel it should be free because it SHOULD be important which is rediculous.

Pretend I said "isn't" in that post there, I mistyped.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Thats your opinion of whats important though, which is irrelevant and so is mine. Bioware is entitled to their own opinion of what is and is not needed for its game and what is optional. Not you, not me. They took the time to make and create the game and it is their decision, you are entitled to nothing other than what they decide to offer you. If you dont want it fine dont pay for it but dont **** about it because they dont meet your expectations.

I am however very much entitled to voicing my opinion and pointing out what I believe is inconsistencies. Especially if I have been a loyal customer for more than a decade.

[Zu Long]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

-To you. To me its essential. This isnt a pew pew. for me. Its a Storydriven Fps with RPG elements. You might be happy with plugging the "Boss mob" after fighting a horde of minions.  Im not.

If it's so essential, why didn't you buy the CE which told you from the outset it would include a bonus character and mission?

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
How are you being blackmailed ? Did EA kidap your dog and threaten to shoot it if you dont buy the DLC?

Thats cute. Really. 

If I want to have the slightest chance of having the experience that the previous two games promised by having a toon that can actually shed some light on an essential lore, narrative and plotitem, I have to fork over the cash.

Thanks for trying though.

Thats again your opinon and has no relevance on bioware or EA's decision to include it or not. No one blackmailed you, you decided yourself that you had to have it to meet your own expectations.

[Descedent]

100$ says this is on the disc already and its 384k dl to unlock it.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Thats your opinion of whats important though, which is irrelevant and so is mine. Bioware is entitled to their own opinion of what is and is not needed for its game and what is optional. Not you, not me. They took the time to make and create the game and it is their decision, you are entitled to nothing other than what they decide to offer you. If you dont want it fine dont pay for it but dont **** about it because they dont meet your expectations.

I am however very much entitled to voicing my opinion and pointing out what I believe is inconsistencies. Especially if I have been a loyal customer for more than a decade.

Yes yes you are and I will not for one second argue that you dont have that right, but at the same time you should not expect to actualy get something simply because you do so.

[Draconis6666]

Descedent wrote...

100$ says this is on the disc already and its 384k dl to unlock it.

its a 600mb download can i have my $100?

[Farbautisonn]

Zu Long wrote... whose major accomplishment in the last war was getting their butts kicked in spectacular fashion does not make a big difference.

-So you didnt use the data Vigil gave you? How did you make it past Ilos? 

[Descedent]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

100$ says this is on the disc already and its 384k dl to unlock it.

its a 600mb download can i have my $100?

just cause something says it is, doesn't mean it is. just like halo reach on xbox like said it was 999999 ms points at one point

but if it actually is, absolutely.

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 04:37 .

[Shadowrun1177]

DifferentD17 wrote...

FlyingCow371 wrote...

I don't understand what the big deal is about this. They've been saying for a while that the fancy collectors edition would have an extra character and mission, and they're just releasing this to make the same character and mission available to people who get the regular edition. Mass effect will likely have enough story even without this dude. ME2 had several extra squad people, most of which had very short missions and felt like a bit of a let down. I wouldn't worry too much about missing this one.

Plus the $10 price point feels kinda high, but seems like the standard price for most random DLC things now. If you think it's too much, don't buy it, and if enough people do the same maybe EA will make their prices more reasonable.

They haven't said anything about an extra character, they denied it at first and there is nothing in any preorder discription that says anything about an extra character.

No, your wrong they did say there was an extra secret character in the CE.
www.youtube.com/watch at 1min 45sec mark and this video was posted way back in Nov.

[GunMoth]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...
He'll probly say about as much a Zaeed.

Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
Clearly they wouldn't make a DLC character THAT important to the main story.

 
Wrong.

BP20125810 wrote...
People are just overreacting  

  
Wrong.

QFT

I think the problem most people are overlooking is the atmosphereic quality of the races and lore in Mass Effect. The protheans were thought to have been extinct and genetically rewritten. There's so much we could learn / hear from a prothean character that - mass effect fans who care about the mass effect universe's history - DLC would really cripple the experience of a lot of players who want certain things filled in. Not about the "STORY" or plot per say, but just about "prothean" culture and the experiences of a certain race. 

Here's some dialog from the prothean: 


Here's the script for anyone interested:
http://forum.blockla...?topic=176147.0

I listened to that dialogue at the link you provided, and while it is interesting, I'd hardly consider it crucial to the outcome of the story of Mass Effect 3, specifically.

Sorry.

Read the script. That video was only 2 minutes of the voice actor and some lines. 

Sorry.

That.
You.
Take.

Things.
For.

Face.
Value.

Dramatic. 

Spacing. 
To seem. Passive aggressive. 

EDIT: Also read my post where I talk about the atmosphere and history of the game and how it doesnt HAVE to apply to the direct story. Derp.

Modifié par GunMoth, 23 février 2012 - 04:38 .