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[fropas]

Farbautisonn wrote...

fropas wrote...

So you've been a loyal fan for over a decade but you're complaining about 10$ DLC? 

-You didnt read much of my posts did you? Ill pay 40$ more for the game or a good dlc if the storyline is there. If the lore is consistant. If I dont get my suspension of disbelief broken. Its not the money for me. For me its the story.

Who knows the story might suck. . . You might end up saving money if that's all you care about. I don't really care how much hypothetical money you're willing to pay (no offense) I don't think you're entitled to DLC I'm paying more money to access.  I personally feel like I should get exclusive content for paying more money. . .sorry.

[Farbautisonn]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Well, you're certainly trying to point out that your opinion is the one that matters most.

-Its called "argueing your case effectively". Try it sometime. It works wonders.

So, I'm not really sure you're in a position to comment snarkily about my two-pack of 'em.

-Really? I can tell you I am sure. That youre not, must again be the synapses thing. Or a tendency to view things in black and white. Take your pick.

  Never mind that those aren't the only two I see, just the ones I happened to mention in that specific post.  But, no no, you go right on ahead.

-If you saw more but didnt mention them, how am I supposed to know? I have great faith in myself and I am generally somewhat arrogant, but Im not arrogant enough to assume I know the mind of other people I recently met online. Is this a trait you have? 

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 23 février 2012 - 04:47 .

[mogonk]

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

[XqctaX]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

Lol, if they do this, im definatly canelling my preorder.

I wouldnt blame you but it seems to be what everyone is arguing about 

"How dare you charge me for something that was an incentive for other people to pay more, I demand it for free because I feel entitled to stuff. You obviously took it out of the game just so you could charge me more because I cant accept that I dont get everything I want in the main game for the cheapest price possible"

Best ive read sofar in this thread and it describes the complainers very well. there mad becouse they have to pay for something that we also had to pay for. when really they should be thankfull for getting it at all, oh and by the way. also for not having to wait for it, but accually beeing able to get it from day 1.

complaining cus you dont get something for free, something that others paid for!!! is just selfish and greedy.
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NO ONE should have to pay for this except used game buyers.

then we should just scrub the hole concept of CE aswell and have Only one version containing all the extra stuff as standard.( while that sounds Nice in a giving spirit. and accually i wouldnt mind getting all that extra stuff for free, all i really care about is getting as much as possible of this wonderfull thing we call mass effect franchise)
but we do live in a monetary based world, and as such a company seldom/never gives away extra stuff for free,

so a ONE version containing all that stuff  ME3 CE has in it ever happening in any game, seems highly unlikely ever taking place, EVER. besides that one version would probably cost so much it would make people not buy it.

seems to  still be a case of i was to cheap/poor to get the CE. so now im going to complain cus my SE does not include the Extra stuff. go get a raise, or get involved in taxpolitics. or just buy the damn DLC and you solved the problem. it ( prothean char) was created for those willing to support bioware a little extra monetarywise. if your not willing to chip in a bit extra. stop complaining that others accually do want to and get something valuble in return for it.
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CE's should NEVER have plot based DLC, CE's are for extra fluff like soundtracks and tshirts not important story aspects.

and how do you know it acually is important for the story and plot at all. Have not seen any valid argument for proof of this in this thread other than Opinions = speculation. so dont use that as argument untill proven true, ty.

what ive read from others here is that this character was acually cut out of the game, and we almost lost the chance to experience him(/her/whatever lol) 
they put him back into the game,  
giving him for free to the collectors, and for an little extra fee for regular fans. 
that in itself might be somewhat unfair sure,.. from your  point of view,
then again from my just as subjectiv point of view i paid 20 bucks more than you,
and I personally really only care about the ingame content cus thats what ill enjoy the most in the long run.

we can all argue about how unfair it is that they reinstated him
and we all got to pay some extra if we chose to get him and so on bla bla
I think instead we should be frikkin happy he wasnt just cut out compleately.

unless your thinking bioware/ea is just evil and trying to make every extra little cent there is, and did this on purpuse, ( cut game content to sell seperatly)
and in that case this thread is useless cus they wont care what a couple of hundred forum peeps complain about
since they will sell this game in the millions of copies.

ost so much it would make people not buy it.<br><

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Yes yes you are and I will not for one second argue that you dont have that right, but at the same time you should not expect to actualy get something simply because you do so.

-If I dont ask I dont get. Its a rather popular thing. I usually get a discount whenever I haggle. Only the sheep and the tourists pay more for less.

Very true but there are many people in this thread who seem to think that the very fact that they are upset in itself means that they Must get what they want because how dare Bioware or EA not give them something when they want it.

[Dead Reckon]

I was planning on Pre-ordering this coming friday (it's payday). However, I will not be doing so now.

=(

I was really looking forward to playing ME3 to.

[Farbautisonn]

fropas wrote...I personally feel like I should get exclusive content for paying more money. . .sorry.

-Where did I state that I thought this was a bad Idea? Feel free to quote me back? 

I fully support the concept of getting more for more dollers. I just want to get my moneys worth.

[Kreidian]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lets say you go to eat, your order your food and what do expect... for the cooks and chef to cook the food.

You don't expect how ever to be charged for the produce, meats, seasonings that go into the meal and then be charge again for them too cook it.

Because this "DLC" I would be very surprised if it not already on the disc when the game bought... so the means we are getting charge for cooking of portion of our meal.

By the way, folks, this is an example of someone who has no understanding of how real game development works.

However that doesn't stop folks from making grandios accusations that have no merit or use anything resembling facts. What's the fun in that, let's make completely arbitrary malicious comparisons instead!

I think your strawman needs a hat.

[Augster75]

mogonk wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

I don't mind paying for the DLC if it has decent content in it. I absolutely loved Lair Of The Shadow Broker and even bought The Arrival on the release date. I'm just pissed off because of how they made a Prothean teammate a seperate DLC on launch when a character like James Vega is in the full game.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Very true but there are many people in this thread who seem to think that the very fact that they are upset in itself means that they Must get what they want because how dare Bioware or EA not give them something when they want it.

-I am not those people. I dont presume to bestow upon you motives that you do not have, so please... pretty please... with sugar on top... return the favor.

[Shatterhand1701]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Well, you're certainly trying to point out that your opinion is the one that matters most.

-Its called "argueing your case effectively". Try it sometime. It works wonders.

So, I'm not really sure you're in a position to comment snarkily about my two-pack of 'em.

-Really? I can tell you I am sure. That youre not, must again be the synapses thing. Or a tendency to view things in black and white. Take your pick.

  Never mind that those aren't the only two I see, just the ones I happened to mention in that specific post.  But, no no, you go right on ahead.

-If you saw more but didnt mention them, how am I supposed to know? I have great faith in myself and I am generally somewhat arrogant, but Im not arrogant enough to assume I know the mind of other people I recently met online. Is this a trait you have? 

Yeah, you know what?  Not going down this road anymore.  You're trying to provoke me, and I just don't feel the need to oblige you further.  You have your opinions, and I have mine, and never the twain shall meet....and that's just fine by me.  I'm done with you.

Modifié par Shatterhand1701, 23 février 2012 - 04:52 .

[mauro2222]

Farbautisonn wrote...

fropas wrote...I personally feel like I should get exclusive content for paying more money. . .sorry.

-Where did I state that I thought this was a bad Idea? Feel free to quote me back? 

I fully support the concept of getting more for more dollers. I just want to get my moneys worth.

But that means you think you're entitled to something. *trollface*

Circles, this conversation is going in circles.

[nitefyre410]

Kreidian wrote...

*snip*

 

What because I know  when someone is feeding me a load of crap

Okay ... sure, whatever.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 04:55 .

[Zu Long]

Blacktric wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

-To you. To me its essential. This isnt a pew pew. for me. Its a Storydriven Fps with RPG elements. You might be happy with plugging the "Boss mob" after fighting a horde of minions.  Im not.

If it's so essential, why didn't you buy the CE which told you from the outset it would include a bonus character and mission?

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

I find it more unbelievable that people feel entitled to free stuff Bioware has been advertising since the CE was announced as extra content. I'm a huge fan, and I thought "I want everything they have to offer on this." If you are a huge fan, and atmosphere is really important to you, how did you NOT think that? How can you POSSIBLY be so conceted as to be upset with someone putting extra work into making additional content for you as a fan and taking it as an insult or a slight that Bioware would be so selfish as to continue working on content even after the game was finished, then somehow expect you to pay for it? It frankly boggles my mind.

[DifferentD17]

Blacktric wrote...


I don't mind paying for the DLC if it has decent content in it. I absolutely loved Lair Of The Shadow Broker and even bought The Arrival on the release date. I'm just pissed off because of how they made a Prothean teammate a seperate DLC on launch when a character like James Vega is in the full game.

EXACTLY, why is Vega more important than a live Prothean?! What lore or any impact on the main story will Vega have?

[fropas]

mogonk wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

I don't know why you're angry about this. The same could be said about ME2. . .

CE~70$
DLC  > 20$

Anyone who pretends like this is a new business model wasn't paying attention to the "optional" DLC content for ME2. . .this doesn't seem very new to me. . .i'm more than willing to pay the money for Mass Effect.

[Farbautisonn]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Yeah, you know what?  Not going down this road anymore.  You're trying to provoke me, and I just don't feel the need to oblige you further.  You have your opinions, and I have mines, and never the twain shall meet....and that's just fine by me.  I'm done with you.

-Then I succeeded. Bye now. Time for shuteye for me anyway.

[spark_ptz]

TheOptimist wrote...

spark_ptz wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

spark_ptz wrote...

Precisely. The level of detail and depth of the background in the Mass Effect universe is an integral part of what makes the franchise so great, it shouldn't be ignored easily (well, it shouldn't be ignored at all, frankly)

But that feeling of immersion for the true fans is why they included it in the Collectors Edition...which was for the true fans. For the people who are picking up ME3 cold off the shelf it is just some extra content and extra flavor. If the lore/atmosphere/detail was so important to you, why on Gods green earth wouldn't you pick up the CE when you KNEW there was a bonus character included, to say nothing of the soundtrack, artbook etc?

Because you couldn't afford it, perhaps.

And this level of detail and depth was an integral part of teh core ME experience available to all. Why should that change now?

How has it changed? LotSB was one of the best parts of ME2, and it was DLC.  It also happens to be integral to the story.  Still DLC, cause they couldn't get it done for the release of ME2.  The detail and depth is still there.  It hasn't gone anywhere.  They simply gave you a way to add yet more to the universe, and all half the people here can do is ***** unrelentingly about it.

All very correct. Just saying that you can't say it was part of the completed ME2 that was left out for financial reasons, which is the argument some are making here.

[Shadowrun1177]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...


They haven't said anything about an extra character, they denied it at first and there is nothing in any preorder discription that says anything about an extra character.

No, your wrong they did say there was an extra secret character in the CE.
www.youtube.com/watch at 1min 45sec mark and this video was posted way back in Nov.

I'm sorry is that even on the same website where I purchase the product? I shouldn't have to go on alot of websites and watch a video so I can see what's in the collectors edition that should be in the discription. I shouldn't have to frequent the forums to know what the hell is in the product I'm buying.

Yes here's one example of it being on the same website where the game can be purchased the exact same video thats on youtube is on gamestop.com.

www.gamestop.com/pc/games/mass-effect-3-n7-collectors-edition/91371

It is the 6th video on the page.

[GunMoth]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Blacktric wrote...


I don't mind paying for the DLC if it has decent content in it. I absolutely loved Lair Of The Shadow Broker and even bought The Arrival on the release date. I'm just pissed off because of how they made a Prothean teammate a seperate DLC on launch when a character like James Vega is in the full game.

EXACTLY, why is Vega more important than a live Prothean?! What lore or any impact on the main story will Vega have?

SPOILERS





Vega is a reaper.

True story. 

[Yuoaman]

fropas wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

I don't know why you're angry about this. The same could be said about ME2. . .

CE~70$
DLC  > 20$

Anyone who pretends like this is a new business model wasn't paying attention to the "optional" DLC content for ME2. . .this doesn't seem very new to me. . .i'm more than willing to pay the money for Mass Effect.

ME2 didn't have day 1 DLC that Bioware customers had to pay for, though.

[DifferentD17]

Zu Long wrote...


I find it more unbelievable that people feel entitled to free stuff Bioware has been advertising since the CE was announced as extra content. I'm a huge fan, and I thought "I want everything they have to offer on this." If you are a huge fan, and atmosphere is really important to you, how did you NOT think that? How can you POSSIBLY be so conceted as to be upset with someone putting extra work into making additional content for you as a fan and taking it as an insult or a slight that Bioware would be so selfish as to continue working on content even after the game was finished, then somehow expect you to pay for it? It frankly boggles my mind.

Show me the product page where it says the CE version comes with an extra character.

[MarchWaltz]

I'm sure someone will peek into the disk files and really see if this is on the disk and we need unlock it via DLC.

[Cap Rev]

GunMoth wrote...

DifferentD17 wrote...

Blacktric wrote...


I don't mind paying for the DLC if it has decent content in it. I absolutely loved Lair Of The Shadow Broker and even bought The Arrival on the release date. I'm just pissed off because of how they made a Prothean teammate a seperate DLC on launch when a character like James Vega is in the full game.

EXACTLY, why is Vega more important than a live Prothean?! What lore or any impact on the main story will Vega have?

SPOILERS





Vega is a reaper.

True story. 

 Cool!

[Draconis6666]

Blacktric wrote...


Oh I love how some of you people manipulate stuff to make yourselves look right. You're either not getting how important a Prothean squadmate will be to the story, or you're just here to write stuff to ****** people off without having a clue...

No the people not getting it are the ones who insist that the prothean squad member is vital to the story. Will he add stuff sure, will it be potentially an awesome addition to the total lore, could be. Does the entire plot fall apart without him and make him somethign that without his inclusion in your game makes the game an incomplete failed product? Not a chance. Your game itself will work just as well without him as without him, it wil still have a plot that makes sense perhaps it will have less informationa bout a specific thing that is ony periphially related to the games plot but that does not make it an incomplete game where you are within your rights to demand that it be included for you.