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[Farbautisonn]

mauro2222 wrote...


But that means you think you're entitled to something. *trollface*

Circles, this conversation is going in circles.

-If I pay for it, year. Thats generally how the world works in my neck of the woods? How does things work where you live? You give your money away at the mall and then hope you get enough milk? 

[FlyingCow371]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Can I start a counter argument that as a multiple N7 edition buyer (PS3/360/PC) that I am OUTRAGED that the lowly SE fans are getting access to MY special and *entitled* bonus character?

Yes, I think that would be a fun argument to have. I was kinda surprised that the bonus character is getting released to everybody so soon.

-unrelated-

As far as the "protheans are super important to the lore and universe and stuff". Yes, that's true. The race in general was kind of a big deal. Still is; the effects of their civilization are still being felt in places. However, this one character is not the prothean race. He's probably wasn't even anybody terribly important back then. The race, and the backstory and lore will all still be in the game.

Would it be cool to meet one? I don't know, it could be a letdown from what I'd expect from them given the myths/legends that remain. Vigil was probably enough. As far as the specific character you can get...the protheans were said to have gone extinct about 50,000 years in the past, yes? This individual guy probably hasn't been relevant to the mass effect universe for many thousands of years.

[The JoeMan]

You guys are funny. You should start a Twitter harassement campaign against all of the devs. I hear that works.

[KBomb]

Zu Long wrote...


I comprehended you strawmanning someone else just fine. Did you fail to comprehend me mocking you by ironically doing the same to you?

 
Not even sure you know what a strawman argument is. I repeated exactly what she said. She said that the protheans were not important. I asked her was that the stance she wanted to take. That is not a strawman argument. It would have been a strawman argument had I twisted her words and refuted them based on that twist. I asked her did she really want to use that argument based on what she. literally. said. You—however--twisted my words around to mean something they didn't, so it would fit the psuedo argument you were building. Irony, meet Zu Long.
And you were mocking? Well, that isn't nice of you. Especially when I did nothing to insult you. I could have asked you how you could manage breathing with your lips pressed so tightly to Bioware's..... well. I wouldn't do that. It isn't nice and would accomplish nothing. 

Finding a Prothean would be a huge historical and anthropological discovery in ME verse. Militarily? One member of a race whose major accomplishment in the last war was getting their butts kicked in spectacular fashion does not make a big difference. Again, his perspective would be interesting, but not critical to defeating the reapers in any way shape or form. Ignoring that to complain is, of course, your prerogative, just as calling you on it is ours.

 
You don't think finding a prothean warrior—someone who is most likely privy to information the same as a soldier of the Alliance military would be, who is 50,000 years old--race who was the coup of major technology wouldn't be an interest to the military? Haha ooookay. Just keep telling yourself that.

[Goneaviking]

Blacktric wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

-To you. To me its essential. This isnt a pew pew. for me. Its a Storydriven Fps with RPG elements. You might be happy with plugging the "Boss mob" after fighting a horde of minions.  Im not.

If it's so essential, why didn't you buy the CE which told you from the outset it would include a bonus character and mission?

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Wow. It's a prothean. Big deal.

Is it important for the metastory? yes absolutely. The whole technological structure of the society is based on the their technology and their mysterious disappearance was a great mystery until we learned about the Reapers way back in ME1.

Is it important for the actual story being told? probably to some extent, otherwise what value would it have at all? But it clearly isn't crucial to game or it would be part of the game.

They're releasing extra content as extra content and you think you shouldn't have to pay for it. Your position is no more complicated or worthy than that.

[Draconis6666]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Blacktric wrote...


I don't mind paying for the DLC if it has decent content in it. I absolutely loved Lair Of The Shadow Broker and even bought The Arrival on the release date. I'm just pissed off because of how they made a Prothean teammate a seperate DLC on launch when a character like James Vega is in the full game.

EXACTLY, why is Vega more important than a live Prothean?! What lore or any impact on the main story will Vega have?

Without playing the game you dont know do you, so thats a stupid argument.

[ArkkAngel007]

GunMoth wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

And what is in the script, the relevent one, has no dialogue from Javik essential to Mass Effect 3 in any form.  It's all expanded universe type information.

Please re-read my post above. (The one about atmosphere)

I did.  And while yes, it's cool to have all that ambient information, it is not vital, just like how all the expanded universe stuff in Star Wars isn't important to the original films as you viewed them.  That's all I'm saying.  Nothing about Javik is vital to the enjoyment of the full retail product.

With that said, Javik should just not have been kept in the game after BioWare originally wrote him out of the main plot early in development.  I like his character from what I know of him, but it's still a pretty ridiculous concept in bringing back a 50,000 race that has no impact. 

[GunMoth]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...


I find it more unbelievable that people feel entitled to free stuff Bioware has been advertising since the CE was announced as extra content. I'm a huge fan, and I thought "I want everything they have to offer on this." If you are a huge fan, and atmosphere is really important to you, how did you NOT think that? How can you POSSIBLY be so conceted as to be upset with someone putting extra work into making additional content for you as a fan and taking it as an insult or a slight that Bioware would be so selfish as to continue working on content even after the game was finished, then somehow expect you to pay for it? It frankly boggles my mind.

Show me the product page where it says the CE version comes with an extra character.

They announced that back in October. 
http://zoknowsgaming...s-edition-1.jpg

Information about the prothean was leaked back then too. Then one of the devs had to come forward and say "LOL JK THATS JUST A RUMOR... accidentally released by our marketing team". The rumor about the prothean was the whole reason why I preordered it so early. 

[Kreidian]

nitefyre410 wrote...

well that is nice and well thought out and you're correct  most of us don't know jack about game development...

What I do know  though with out a shadow of a doubt is when someone is trying to bull**** me  with a PR spun story...

That I do know ... 

and guess what my good friend..

the bull**** is strong with this one...

and its not my own I'm smelling.

So you admit you don't actually understand what is going on, yet you insist that you know what they are doing and why.

Tell me how do you know with such certainty that you are being lied to? Where is your proof? It is just a gut feeling? Did an angel come down from heaven and warn you of this great evil being done to you?

Cause if the only thing you have is that you're actually smelling bull dung then I'm sorry to say but that smell is not comming from Bioware or EA. Maybe browse forums away from the livestock?

[Augster75]

Zu Long wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Loosing additional back story lore is not detracting from the actual game

-To you. To me its essential. This isnt a pew pew. for me. Its a Storydriven Fps with RPG elements. You might be happy with plugging the "Boss mob" after fighting a horde of minions.  Im not.

If it's so essential, why didn't you buy the CE which told you from the outset it would include a bonus character and mission?

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

I find it more unbelievable that people feel entitled to free stuff Bioware has been advertising since the CE was announced as extra content. I'm a huge fan, and I thought "I want everything they have to offer on this." If you are a huge fan, and atmosphere is really important to you, how did you NOT think that? How can you POSSIBLY be so conceted as to be upset with someone putting extra work into making additional content for you as a fan and taking it as an insult or a slight that Bioware would be so selfish as to continue working on content even after the game was finished, then somehow expect you to pay for it? It frankly boggles my mind.

Maybe because none of the retailers I use didn't give me the option to preorder it? I'm not talking on behalf of everyone who literally "whines" about the day 1 release of a 10 dollar DLC. I wrote the reason that made me angry. You have to understand that some people who are mad at Bioware are writing those stuff because they genuinely think that a squadmate like The Prothean should either be included in the game or at least as an online pass DLC. Not because they think they're entitled to getting everything because they have paid 60 dollars to the game.

[DifferentD17]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...



Yes here's one example of it being on the same website where the game can be purchased the exact same video thats on youtube is on gamestop.com.

www.gamestop.com/pc/games/mass-effect-3-n7-collectors-edition/91371

It is the 6th video on the page.

So again I have to watch a video on a different website embedded on Gamestop all the way through so I can get the nessesary information to buy the product? And you just said it's on the 6th video Am I supposed to watch all the videos?

[fropas]

Farbautisonn wrote...

fropas wrote...I personally feel like I should get exclusive content for paying more money. . .sorry.

-Where did I state that I thought this was a bad Idea? Feel free to quote me back? 

I fully support the concept of getting more for more dollers. I just want to get my moneys worth.

So wait for the review to come out before you buy the game or DLC. That's what I usually do, but value is always subjective you'll never know if it was worth it until you try the product. If you buy the game and feel like you didn't get your (60$) story fix, because the prothy was left out, then you can make a thread about it and we can discuss that complaint in detail.

Right now it does sound like you think everyone should get content that was never promised to them based on an assumption that Bioware cares more about your loyalty than your wallet; they don't, so get over it.

[Zu Long]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Zu Long wrote... whose major accomplishment in the last war was getting their butts kicked in spectacular fashion does not make a big difference.

-So you didnt use the data Vigil gave you? How did you make it past Ilos? 

Yeah, but see, I plan to finish the Reapers THIS go round. Tactical advice centered on undermining the Reaper's strategy so that 50000 years from now the next guys can have a shot at winning doesn't really do me any good.

[Farbautisonn]

Goneaviking wrote....

They're releasing extra content as extra content and you think you shouldn't have to pay for it. Your position is no more complicated or worthy than that.

-Do us a favor and quote me back where I wrote that, theres a nice chappie. I mean you wouldnt pull an assumption like that out of your backside now would you? I dont mind paying for it. I just want it to reflects its importance. We arent getting another Krogan. We are getting a prothean.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...


But that means you think you're entitled to something. *trollface*

Circles, this conversation is going in circles.

-If I pay for it, year. Thats generally how the world works in my neck of the woods? How does things work where you live? You give your money away at the mall and then hope you get enough milk? 

This is the point though if you paid for the CE or the DLC you paid for the prothean and you get it if you didnt you only paid for ME 3 and not the Prothean, nothing has been denied to you that you paid for. You dont decide what volumes the milk seller sells the milk in you simply decide which you are willing to pay for and whcih you arent. If you dont want a full gallon of milk you buy a half gallon you dont demand that they change their packaging so you can get more without paying for it because you believe they should sell 3/4 gallons.

[TheOptimist]

DifferentD17 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...


I find it more unbelievable that people feel entitled to free stuff Bioware has been advertising since the CE was announced as extra content. I'm a huge fan, and I thought "I want everything they have to offer on this." If you are a huge fan, and atmosphere is really important to you, how did you NOT think that? How can you POSSIBLY be so conceted as to be upset with someone putting extra work into making additional content for you as a fan and taking it as an insult or a slight that Bioware would be so selfish as to continue working on content even after the game was finished, then somehow expect you to pay for it? It frankly boggles my mind.

Show me the product page where it says the CE version comes with an extra character.

From the VERY FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

At the VERY beginning, it was actually admitted it would be a prothean, then that was retracted.  Thus the 'support Prothy the Prothean' banners.

[Farbautisonn]

Zu Long wrote...Yeah, but see, I plan to finish the Reapers THIS go round. Tactical advice centered on undermining the Reaper's strategy so that 50000 years from now the next guys can have a shot at winning doesn't really do me any good.

-Tell me. How would that plan have made it past Ilos if it hadnt been for Vigil? 

[Bluko]

Draconis6666 wrote...


Or instead they could be allowing people who wish to pay for it ,to experience a character that just as easily no one could have had because he wasnt finished at the time of certification.

Again you think a year was not enough time to add him in? (Nevermind that they are probably complete "files" for the Prothean Character on the game discs.) Those of us who have made an effort to check here regularilyhave basically known there was going to be an additional Prothean Character. I am honestly surprised those of us who have known haven't been outright banned. But I suppose that could cause an even bigger ruckus trying to cover up deceptive marketing. I was hoping they'd re-consider this honestly, but apparently they haven't.

I suppose it's good thing they used the word "certification" as that meaning can be pretty ambiguous. But the fact is this is just  plain and simple shady business. It does not make me proud to buy anything from Bioware or EA. Quite the opposite actually.


It'd really be no differentthen me leaving all the screws off something, and then telling you that if you wanted the complete product you'd have to pay me extra for the specialized screws I made. Except I forgot to mention that I had excluded the screws on purpose. And hey if you don't mind Bioware/EA charging you more, well good for you.

But to me it is totally absurd to to think a Prothean character can be considered optional. This either indicates:

A) His exitence is completely trivial and serves no purpose nor makes any sense within the context of ME3. (In which I might actually be glad I won't have it.)
Or his existence is actually a pretty big deal so anyone who just buys a regular/used copy of the game ever is essentially missing out on something pretty important.

[DifferentD17]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Without playing the game you dont know do you, so thats a stupid argument.

How could the 4th aliance member on your team possibly have more lore than a 50000 year old species that's supposed to be extinct?

[fropas]

Yuoaman wrote...

fropas wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

I don't know why you're angry about this. The same could be said about ME2. . .

CE~70$
DLC  > 20$

Anyone who pretends like this is a new business model wasn't paying attention to the "optional" DLC content for ME2. . .this doesn't seem very new to me. . .i'm more than willing to pay the money for Mass Effect.

ME2 didn't have day 1 DLC that Bioware customers had to pay for, though.

Sure they did. The ceberus network itself cost ten dollars to download if you bought the game used on the first day

[Draconis6666]

DifferentD17 wrote...

So again I have to watch a video on a different website embedded on Gamestop all the way through so I can get the nessesary information to buy the product? And you just said it's on the 6th video Am I supposed to watch all the videos?

So your argument is that you didnt do research on the prodcut and got screwed?
 
Its as much your responsibility as the consumer to do the research and learn what you are buying and what your options are as it is the responsibiliyt of the seller to tell you whats there.

[Calians]

I wonder how many times this game will be pirated..

[jkflipflopDAO]

. . . and this is the reason Bioware is going to die a slow and embarrassing death. Because they're just EA's little greed puppets now. You screwed us with DAO DLC, you screwed us with DA2, and now you're trying to screw us again with ME3. Good thing after this there aren't any more of your games I'm interested in. Say "hello" to Westwood for us when you get to failed developer hell.

[Zu Long]

mogonk wrote...

Blacktric wrote...

It's unbelievable how some people are still trying too hard to justify what Bioware did... It's a DLC about a live Prothean for God's sake and they're selling it as a seperate 10 dollar DLC on day 1 instead of adding it to the core game OR releasing it as an online pass DLC like Zaeed: Price Of Revenge. Yet you're just sitting there and trying to justify what they did like there's nothing wrong about it.

Yes.  Even to the point of arguing "Well, if you wanted the full game you should have bought the collector's edition".

Because that's totally reasonable.

For the next bioware game, you'll have a choice between the $90 CE or buying the "normal" game and then purchasing $40 worth of DLC to put flesh on the skeleton they give you.  Great business model if you assume your fanbase is braindead. 

On second thought.....they may be onto something.

Right. Because when they promise people who pay extra money an extra mission and character, they are in fact gimping the game for every one else. Not rewarding the loyal fans who shelled out extra cash at all.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...
This is the point though if you paid for the CE or the DLC you paid for the prothean and you get it if you didnt you only paid for ME 3 and not the Prothean, nothing has been denied to you that you paid for. You dont decide what volumes the milk seller sells the milk in you simply decide which you are willing to pay for and whcih you arent. If you dont want a full gallon of milk you buy a half gallon you dont demand that they change their packaging so you can get more without paying for it because you believe they should sell 3/4 gallons.

-Wat`? Analogy not computing.